Decline Caves Of Qud Dev Turns Out To Be A Pedophile - Codex Mods Censor The Thread

[Darth Roxor]

i will just drop in to say that i would never know the coq dev team is a shelter for pedos if the thread wasn't split because i don't follow the primary coq thread

 

[Dave the Druid]

Sweet! Now I can read about (and participate in) this drama for 5 whole days (!!!) before I get access to those subforums. Thanks Non-Edgy Gamer!

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Why should people who just want to talk about the game have to put up with that shit?

Idk, why do the devs talk about said leftist shit all the time and harass their fans over it?

The devs themselves have brought up this site on Twitter while talking about Leftism and we're not allowed to talk about it?

You can still post in the thread, it's just in the appropriate private subforum for users who've been a member for over a year.

ftfy.

I know you like the game. I guess you have no problem with pedophilia, since you refused to answer when I asked about it. But at least try to be honest about what's been done and why you whined to Infinitron about a thread that's dead most days of the year anyway.

That's the funny thing about your whining btw: you DONT want to talk about the game. You rarely if ever talk about the game.

You DO want to censor the fact that one of the people who worked as a dev on the game for years is a convicted pedophile.

 

[King Crispy]

I know you like the game.

If Roguey likes the game so much why is he referring to it as "Qrud"?

your whining

Ironic.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I know you like the game.

If Roguey likes the game so much why is he referring to it as "Qrud"?

your whining

Ironic.

It's wrong to harass someone for being obsessed with CoQ, King Crispy.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

If Roguey likes the game so much why is he referring to it as "Qrud"?

I don't know. But if he doesn't like it so much, why has he written pages of defense for it?

Ironic.

Whining about censorship and whining about the hypocrisy in filtering a fanbase for years, but letting a pedo work for your studio.

Being accused of whining about that doesn't bother me.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

It's wrong to harass someone for being obsessed with CoQ, @King Crispy.

Didn't you "bow out" of the thread two pages ago, microbrain?

 

[King Crispy]

why has he written pages of defense for it

I will admit I haven't seen these pages of defense for the game to which you're referring, but, to me, it sounds more like Roguey is defending the (long-standing) tradition to separate gaming drama here on Codex from discussion about the actual game itself.

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's wrong to harass someone for being obsessed with CoQ, @King Crispy.

Didn't you "bow out" of the thread two pages ago, microbrain?

Didn't realize I was talking to you, CoQ enthusiast. Anyway, don't take your molestation issues out on me, talk to your therapist. I pray for you.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I will admit I haven't seen these pages of defense for the game to which you're referring, but, to me, it sounds more like Roguey is defending the (long-standing) tradition to separate gaming drama here on Codex from discussion about the actual game itself.

Except he started defending it before the thread content was ever moved. And I think he was the one who asked for it to be moved.

 

[King Crispy]

Well, was Roguey defending the game or was Roguey defending the actions or behavior of those responsible for making the game? And, more importantly, if the former, was it taking place in the original thread? If so, then that's proper behavior. If the latter, then he was correct in requesting it get moved to a separate thread.

Case closed. Merry Fuckin' Christmas.

 

[luj1]

Not surprised. Infinitron and Roguey are 2 massive cucks

they would do anything to ride the dicks of developers

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Well, was Roguey defending the game or was Roguey defending the actions or behavior of those responsible for making the game? And, more importantly, if the former, was it taking place in the original thread?

He did a little of both, iirc, and yes.

If so, then that's proper behavior. If the latter, then he was correct in requesting it get moved to a separate thread.

Except he only did that after he lost the argument. Before that he was posting twitter quotes and complaining that this is just like hating Pillars of Boredom because sser posted here occasionally.

Thank you for confirming he made the request though.

Merry Fuckin' Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you as well. I wish you a happy time with your loved ones and plenty of holiday cheer.

 

[Roguey]

Idk, why do the devs talk about said leftist shit all the time and harass their fans over it?

Brainworms.

The devs themselves have brought up this site on Twitter while talking about Leftism and we're not allowed to talk about it?

I was the one who posted that here to begin with (in the shoutbox, then someone else posted it in the thread).

I know you like the game. I guess you have no problem with pedophilia, since you refused to answer when I asked about it. But at least try to be honest about what's been done and why you whined to Infinitron about a thread that's dead most days of the year anyway.

I don't like roguelikes so I have no interest in Qud regardless of its quality. I also made no thread-splitting requests, because I personally don't really care, and these things tend to happen on their own.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Brainworms.

Understandable tbh.

I was the one who posted that here to begin with (in the shoutbox, then someone else posted it in the thread).

lmao. And I thought I was an agent of chaos. Turns out you were behind it all.

I don't like roguelikes so I have no interest in Qud regardless of its quality. I also made no thread-splitting requests, because I personally don't really care, and these things tend to happen on their own.

Alright, fair enough. I will put you back in the "slightly more autistic than me, but mostly harmless" category. My apologies.

 

[King Crispy]

Retardoland Sticky?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

To clarify my asshurt on this issue a bit more:

I have no problem with moving things to new threads. What I do have a problem with is hiding discussions in hidden threads.

I have a problem with it because I've lurked on this site for years at a time. In the past 20 years of being here, I've only posted every now and then. My current posting frequency is something I could never have imagined back in 2003 or even 2008.

I always liked lurking and finding out crazy shit about devs or just reading the wrongthink that would get banned anywhere else. I don't mean saying nigger or wishing that MSFD and the entire Bethesda Softworks team get crushed by an asteroid either. I mean reading that a game was actually a buggy pos, or that Morrowind was overrated for X reason, or that some dev was actually a queer who left his wife.

This is the website that taught me that Chris Avellone isn't gay. If a thread about Chris Avellone getting accused of sexual assault can (and should) be public, then so should this. Otherwise we're sliding further down the slippery slope of censoring the site into pointlessness and pretty soon we wont be able to mock Chris Avellone for dying to wolves, let alone speculate on his legal woes.

Retardoland Sticky?

I think we both know you're going to do this eventually, but I'd like to leave it here if possible. Gives people who lurk or newbies a bit longer to read/participate.

 

[Lord of Riva]

why has he written pages of defense for it

I will admit I haven't seen these pages of defense for the game to which you're referring, but, to me, it sounds more like Roguey is defending the (long-standing) tradition to separate gaming drama here on Codex from discussion about the actual game itself.

You mean the long standing tradition of the Codex to separate specific controversial topics from threads by deeming them "not worthwhile" or "too political" to discuss.

It's so flabbergasting, i know there are quite a few adherents to the cult, but how many people got captured by believing they need to help the "poor" Gender Identity cult members (yes, which this aspect is related to !) because they are so oppressed, and that we need to be tolerant and should stop any debate about this topic.

Nearly any other topic can be debated on this site, without any hiccups, even in the threads inlcuding anitsemitism, racism, sexism, insulting each other, general interpersonal drama between users etc.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

You mean the long standing tradition of the Codex to separate specific controversial topics from threads by deeming them "not worthwhile" or "too political" to discuss.

Even if we were to give this "long-standing policy" (i.e., infinitron's autism) a pass, there's still no reason to put it in a hidden forum.

No one is posting porn. Why hide it?

 

[Immortal]

cry moar fgt

Go put it up on the Qud discord where everyone looking for info about the game will see it. Or tweet it. Or... y'know, blog full of SEO crap about CoQ. As an aside, I'm not surprised that you take a close interest in all things CoQ related.

I'm going to bow out of this thread. Suffice it to say, I'm sorry that no one was around to save you when the Qud guy touched you Non-Edgy Gamer. The things you went through are horrific and not right. I hope some day you're able to find the healing and peace you deserve. #IstandwithNEG

Why are you so upset?

 

[Lord_Potato]

Concerning the topic of whether we should differentiate between the art and the artist: Caravaggio was a murderer. Should we stop admiring his paintings because he was a shitty human being? If someone wants to play Caves of Qud, the fact that it was worked on for some time by a child molester should not stop them. If the game itself has no pedo themes of course. The game, like every piece of art is separate from its creators.

As for why such an individual was allowed to work on a game: unlike a nursery or a school, a studio developing games is not really a high-risk environment for employment of such an individual. From what I understand he did his time and was in the sex offender register. So he was punished for his crime and kept from employment in places where he could pose a threat to children. But even such a vile criminal should have a venue to return to society, and having a job is necessary for resocialization. I understand not ever letting him in the vicinity of minors, but letting him in the vicinity of computer code seems quite safe. Especially if he was merely a contractor, so all the code he wrote was then double-checked by the actual devs.

Should the topic be separated from the main Caves of Qud thread? Well, this decision sure gave the discussion more visibility. I probably would never know about the past of this contractor if it didn't become a subject of a separate thread (because I do not follow the main CoQ discussion). Sure, newer members of the Codex don't have access here, but after a year they're all granted the privilege. The fact this discussion is more active than the main CoQ thread is a proof that it does not lack visibility.

Full disclosure: I never played Caves of Qud, roguelikes are not really my thing, my only knowledge of it comes from threads on RPGCodex and Sseth's video on Youtube.

 

[NotSweeper]

You can't even make fun of a pedo dev in his own pedo game thread.
Is this what the Codex has come to? Shame.

 

[Viata]

Differentiating art from the artist is quite easy. What needs to be reminded, however, is that the artist hates you because of his political agenda and will do everything to ban you from any place his art is, but god forgive you if you try to tell people the artist is a pedophile.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Should the topic be separated from the main Caves of Qud thread? Well, this decision sure gave the discussion more visibility. I probably would never know about the past of this contractor if it didn't become a subject of a separate thread (because I do not follow the main CoQ discussion). Sure, newer members of the Codex don't have access here, but after a year they're all granted the privilege. The fact this discussion is more active than the main CoQ thread is a proof that it does not lack visibility.

Differentiating the art and the Artists is not part of this discussion, the topic at hand, just as many other topics directly relates to the game and should be featured in the games discussion. What Information is relevant for me on these issues and these games is for me to decide, I do not need a chaperone or Moderator that keeps these "bad" discussions out, nobody does, the only ones profiting from this are those interested in defending these things.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

the game is called coq lol