Fallout Fallout 2: This game has no forgiveness

[naossano]

For the one that is supposed to be the nicest of New Reno mob's boss, Wright can have the worst death of all...

 

[typical user]

Mordinos create and distribute Jet from chemicals Vault City sells them and buy slaves from Den. Wrights sell alcohol to addicts and probably also buy slaves to work at distilleries, their head of family also wants to go guns blazin' at rest of the town with Sierra Army Depot weapon caches. Salvadores sell chemicals from Vault City, slaves from Den and Jet for Energy Weapons and Metal Armour. Bishops want to install corrupted people at NCRs council and have their army exterminate every gang except them in exchenge of "convicing" Vault City to be annexed and not revealing rather nasty deal between them. Everyone except Wrights support whores and pimps on the street and their bartenders sell all kinds of drugs.

You can also rig Wright's safe to explode AFAIK.

 

[baturinsky]

Mordinos create and distribute Jet from chemicals Vault City sells them and buy slaves from Den

Isn't Jet made from Brahmin dung?

 

[anus_pounder]

You get to know most about them from their actual quest lines. In general:

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Mordinos: Creators and main pushers of jet. Also slavers. Generally evil fucks that deserve to die
Salvatores: Lots of energy weapons.

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Gets them from the Enclave.

Bishops: Clearly underhanded but trying to go "legit", end the mob rule and cut a deal with NCR/Vault City. Has a little hand in everything.

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Canon says you fucked Bishops wife or daughter and your child goes on to unite New Reno

Wrights: "Good guys". Deals in alcohol and other soft stuff. Also weak.

I remember that shithead Myron getting gang stabbed in the face by a bunch of hookers and jet junkies. Fun times.

umad he fucked all your whores?

Although your Bishop part is slightly off.

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"Well, I've lived in Nevada all my life. Started out in New Reno, but headed down here as soon as I got the chance. If you can believe it, things are even worse back home. The whole city's still run by crime families. Used to be the Mordinos and Wrights. Now it's the Wrights and Van Graffs. Seems like things never get better. Anyway, that's all behind me now." - NPC in New Vegas.

Although another NV NPC mentions having to run away from New Reno after having sex with Mr Bishop's daughter and stealing money from the family. Mr Bishop also being described as 'knowing the wasteland like the back of his hand.'
So I guess the Bishop family is still present, albeit no longer one of the major players.

 

[bloodlover]

So basically everyone's a cunt. Guess I'll just kill them all. I wonder what will happen to the city then.

 

[Average Manatee]

According to the fallout wiki both happened.

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Bishop (your son) becomes the leading family of New Reno, then the Wrights take over as the leaders once he decides to start exploring and doesn't care about the city any more

 

[typical user]

Mordinos create and distribute Jet from chemicals Vault City sells them and buy slaves from Den

Isn't Jet made from Brahmin dung?

Yes but I believe that they are using stuff from Vault City to breed mushrooms that brahmins eat and to add some flavour to that stuff. Anyway like Chosen One said: "you won't touch that stuff again knowing where it comes from".

So basically everyone's a cunt. Guess I'll just kill them all. I wonder what will happen to the city then.

Your best bet is to let Wrights take over without guns from army base or impregnate one of Bishop's ladies.

 

[bloodlover]

I'm playing a female character so impregnation is out of the question. I can still have sex with her though I reloaded a previous save in case it fucks up my status with Bishop.

 

[typical user]

I'm playing a female character so impregnation is out of the question. I can still have sex with her though I reloaded a previous save in case it fucks up my status with Bishop.

Only his wife is into women, his daughter is not.

 

[Average Manatee]

Sadly the concept of daughters being lesbian just to piss daddy off seems to not have survived into the 2240s

 

[Anthedon]

Not going to bother with reading 179 messages. But my FO2 games usually started the same way.

1: Head straight for New Reno
2: get sample of free jet from the greeter at the entrance
3: Go to the casino, go upstairs
4: Close door, use jet on Big Jesus.
5: loot room for combat shotgun, shells and armor
6: go back to klamath

Made early levelling a breeze

You can also head over to Navarro and grab the Enclave Power Armor. Reduces the overall challenge a bit though.

 

[Ulminati]

Which is why I "settle" for a combat shotgun :3

 

[laclongquan]

Initially I choose Wrights as the surviving clan.

Once I learnt of the Bishop child, Bishops take the seat~

Salvatore isnt that bad per se, as they trade foodstuff, chemicals and slaves for energy weapons from Enclave. But they are almost always the first one get wiped out because they boast the greatest loots with the fewest number.

 

[T. Reich]

In my vanilla powergaming replays usually leave them all alone, because wholesale genocide of communities isn't really my sort of thing. I usually would do a couple of starter misions for each of them, then leae them alone.
For me, the best part of those is Sierra Army Depot. I'd usually do it last and then never set my foot in New Reno again.
Ok, I might kill Salvatore and Mordino because pulling off those assassinations is easy and stalthy, without needing to massacre the whole neighborhood if done right (IIRC).

 

[Average Manatee]

Salvatore isnt that bad per se, as they trade foodstuff, chemicals and slaves for energy weapons from Enclave. But they are almost always the first one get wiped out because they boast the greatest loots with the fewest number.

Ehh, slavery is fairly widely condemned and abhorred throughout the land. They aren't Mordino-level evil fucks testing experimental drugs on their own slaves, but they are still pretty bad.

 

[anus_pounder]

Just knock up the bishop ladies or let the Wrights take over without the Depot weapons if you really want a 'good' ending for NR.

 

[laclongquan]

What do you mean " slavery is fairly widely condemned and abhorred throughout the land"? We encounter 1st example of slavery in Klamath, the case of Sulik, though it's a mild case. Stronger cases would be the Den where you can be a slaver yourself. In Vault City you can sell your companion into servile indenture, which is a nice obsfucation of slavery. In New Reno they dont even bother with that fiction, call it straight out slavery. The northern realms are pretty much full of it.

 

[Aaron Burr]

You can also head over to Navarro and grab the Enclave Power Armor. Reduces the overall challenge a bit though.

"A bit" is a massive understatement. I started an early power armor playthrough run a few weeks ago, I'm past Broken Hills now and the only time I've been damaged was blowing up the shithouse in Modoc. Makes combat trivially easy.

 

[Average Manatee]

Sulik isn't really a slave, he's working off his debt. This is the wasteland, there's no lawyers and police to enforce these things so this is basically your only option for dealing with outsiders who cause trouble that doesn't involve a bullet to the head.

Vault City flirts with the idea but obviously they are no where near as bad as the Den/New Reno, and the fact that they get really pissed if you call the "servants" "slaves" shows that they clearly hate slavery in theory if not in practice. Again, its the wasteland. Food/shelter/protection is really important and also expensive. Level 1 characters are dead meat on the outside, if you want to get in you have to contribute.

The Den/New Reno is basically said to be lawless shitholes where bad people are. And if you become a slaver for the Den a number of characters will dislike you for it.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to state that the crueler aspects of slavery are widely condemned and abhorred.

 

[typical user]

What do you mean " slavery is fairly widely condemned and abhorred throughout the land"? We encounter 1st example of slavery in Klamath, the case of Sulik, though it's a mild case. Stronger cases would be the Den where you can be a slaver yourself. In Vault City you can sell your companion into servile indenture, which is a nice obsfucation of slavery. In New Reno they dont even bother with that fiction, call it straight out slavery. The northern realms are pretty much full of it.

The case with Sulik is that he has no money to compensate for the damage he caused so he has to do work to pay off his debt or risk fighting whole city as Buckners word has some weight.

And Salvadores are evil. They treat Renesco like garbage demanding monthly fee second time through Chosen One and sell slaves to Enclave in exchange of weapons they might want to use to seize rest of the city or at least secure their ground. They also poisoned Richard Wright and left false evidence pointing towards Lil' Jesus Mordino to cause gang war between those families.

Mordinos are evident scum, but other families aren't good either.

EDIT: Also if you join Metzger then a lot of people will be pissed dealing with you.

Vault City is special case, the resemble Nazi Germany which also divided people by their race (in case of Vault City it goes whether you are mutant or not) and place of birth. Their system has active propaganda telling their people that servants are not slaves so they can accept it. I can't remember if they get their labourers from Den.

 

[Average Manatee]

Also I should mention: I don't really buy the "player character can sell people to Vault City" thing, I think its very out of place. Vault City literally has loiterers lying around outside dying to get in, it has zero need to pay for slaves, ever. So I'm willing to take VC's population at its word when they say that they its not a system intended to exploit people for cheap labor, rather its a system to help people who can't repay their debt in anyway but labor, so labor is required to keep the economy going. I assume that its purely the guy at the servant center being corrupt and willing to pay out cash to slip in an extra servant.

 

[bloodlover]

Not everyone in the Den is evil though. Mom is a good example that some people can be nice even it the world turns to shit. The people you meet in Reno and Den make you feel bad and show negative aspects of the Wasteland but these are balanced by some like Mom and Marcus. And I thing there was a debate on slavery in some New Vegas thread a while ago, with the Legion's slaves. One of the arguments was that this is a rough world and most people would die regardless due to external condition so in some cases, slavery might not have been that big of a deal.

 

[laclongquan]

I dont say all people are evil, at the Den or elswhere. I say slavery is widespread.

While Sulik is held for the damage he caused, you still can buy his service and later on sell it to slavers and Vault City, doesnt it? call the rose by any other name and all that~

The case of Vault City you need to see it more objectively. The people in the slum outside? They are the olds, and the sick/injured. Who would want slaves like that? On the other hand what you can sell to their Indenture Service is the young and the strong. Even Vic the oldest is one of the wandering trader, ie he's strong and experienced, know all kind of shits, and can tinker. Any able bodied man would be able to find work with the caravan that going places

I dont say Salvatores is the worst or anything. I say they are the weakest, and their loots are the most easily gained with minimal fighting (though intense). Objectively speaking they are equal to the Wrights in term of crime I think. In fact the worst would be Mordinos, not just because they sell Jet, but because they buy slaves and waste them in manufacturing Jet. People do die directly by their doings. They are a slaver gang turn into drug crime.

Wrights and Salvatores are just gangs. It's the Bishop that give New Reno a political weight in regional stage. His meddling with Vault City and NCR can be said their foreign policy~

 

[naossano]

Slavery exist in the Fallout world, but it is still something hated, and not welcomed everywhere.

- Klamath, Modoc, the Slag village, Gecko, Broken Hills, the RNC, Redding, San Francisco & the Enclave don't have slaves. (well, Enclave might use some, but not usually...)
- There is a slave hub at the Den. Metzger forces are dominant in the area, they go public with it. There is the Vault City case that is a bit hypocrite (they insist that there is no slave. They wouldn't if it was so much accepted in the wasteland). You can find some slave in the outskirt of New Reno. New Reno, the city everyone knows is lawless, still don't have slaves in the city itself. Those slaves are used in some remote areas, far from public eyes. So we don't even know if the Reno general population is aware of it. At last, there is a slave seller outside Shady Sand (not within NCR territory) and the rangers are planning to kick his ass soon.

Also, you should try to play a slaver character (with tatoo and all) just to see how many people will refuse to talk with you or outright attack you. Slaver & child killer are the only status that will create hostility from townfolk no matter who you bring you, your special, your behavior or your reputation.

 

[bloodlover]

Does this game have level scaling? Between Reno and NCR I run into Deathclaws O.O and I assume it's because I am level 16 (almost 17). Encounters are annoying as fuck since I can't kill them yet. Also, I found some creepy perv named Myron. Is he worth getting and ditching Cass or Vic? Vic has repair so I might keep him though. I was tempted to get Marcus too but idk... Marcus, Sulik and Myron might work too.

edit: I am still resisting not running to Navarro and getting geared.

I am also thinking about taking my science to 100 and then working on repair but so far I did not need repair and science was useful only when I interacted with terminals. I don't think it's as useful as it was in NV.