Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

[Rahdulan]

SHOCK TWIST: Some "updated" thoughts according to an annotation, which I'm not going to watch.

Also known as "backpedaling so hard he's reversing the Earth's rotation".

 

[catfood]

Did this guy just honestly argue that FO3's glitches count as "story being told by gameplay"?

This is what I hate about Bethesda the most. Not the games, but the people who play them that have this sort of Stockholm syndrome mentality where they will defend this company up to the point where all of the defects become great features. You simply cannot argue with someone who says that bugs are features.

 

[Echo Mirage]

YouTube gave me one of his videos last night. It was amusing that despite him hyping the game and reviewing it as near perfect. He back peddles a month later. Complaining about the lack of overall content and says he is thinking of going back to Skyrim. While he comments that people on his Twitter are going back to Oblivion.

 

[Lemming42]

He pumped Fo4 up so much in the run-up to its release that he pretty much had no option other than to pretend to like it up until now, lest he look like a complete fucking retard in front of The Internet, which he ended up doing anyway.

Again, I don't mean to single him out, but going through his videos is giving me some serious wheeze-inducing laughing fits. Getting mad at IGN for taking his video down because he stole their footage and removed their watermark, desperately trying to find things in the content-less wasteland of boredom that is Fo4 that he can make videos about, prefacing the ever-intensifying criticisms with "now don't get me wrong, it's a great game, it's actually MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE GAME but here's a 20 minute video detailing several hundred massive problems with it" style disclaimers, desperately branching out to other games nobody gives a shit about just so he'll have something to talk about, etc. It's a brilliant piece of ongoing real life comedy.

 

[Seethe]

Because none of them have played Fallout 1/2. They're all 90s kids who were still shitting themselves when those games came out. They don't know that Fallout has ever been anything different than Fallout 3

One day a Fallout fan told me that he immediately stoped playing Fallout 1 because "it lacks immersion and it is not like fallout 3" and "it doesn't have teleport fast travel" and "VATS was much better in Bethesda games".

What, no mentions about the lack of quest compass? I'm disappointed.

Also immersion for most people means "how much you feel like you are the character", and apparently judged by first person perspective and fluidity of movement, because I guess that makes people think they're really in game or something.

Immersion for most people nowadays means "This thing should work like in real life. My character needs a bladder system. And why can I kill people but not rape them?"

 

[racofer]

Watched some of those tard's videos as well. Stupid shit, as expected, but afterwards I realized something that is probably worse than the "arrow to the knee" meme, and it gets thrown around at nearly every discussion regarding "games" these days.

Here is how to argue Skyrim is a better game than X:

"skyrim skyimr has so much tudu!!!!" "skyrim skyimr has so much tudu!!!!" "skyrim skyimr has so much tudu!!!!"

Every tard now uses this stupid argument to defend Skyrim and extend Bethesda's reign of decline upon the world. Just search anywhere and on the interwebs and this is what you get. This will soon change, replacing "Skyrim" with "Fallout 4" once the DLCs and the mods start rolling out.

And once asked what exactly do Bethesda games offer "so much tudu", it is always the same generic responses: i) it has so much to explore!; ii) just craft equipment and extend your collection!; iii) omg dungeons/subways!; iv) so much tudu!!!! ur ignorant!!!;

 

[Urbanolo]

And once asked what exactly do Bethesda games offer "so much tudu", it is always the same generic responses: i) it has so much to explore!; ii) just craft equipment and extend your collection!; iii) omg dungeons/subways!; iv) so much tudu!!!! ur ignorant!!!;

Sounds like Underrail to me.

 

[MWaser]

Because none of them have played Fallout 1/2. They're all 90s kids who were still shitting themselves when those games came out. They don't know that Fallout has ever been anything different than Fallout 3

One day a Fallout fan told me that he immediately stoped playing Fallout 1 because "it lacks immersion and it is not like fallout 3" and "it doesn't have teleport fast travel" and "VATS was much better in Bethesda games".

What, no mentions about the lack of quest compass? I'm disappointed.

Also immersion for most people means "how much you feel like you are the character", and apparently judged by first person perspective and fluidity of movement, because I guess that makes people think they're really in game or something.

Immersion for most people nowadays means "This thing should work like in real life. My character needs a bladder system. And why can I kill people but not rape them?"

Apparently not, since you can do more things in vanilla Fallout 1/2 than Fallout 3. Like kill children, fuck prostitutes and become a porn star. So if that really were the case, The first 2 games would be more immersive

 

[28.8bps Modem]

Oh look, John Walker is trying to justify his salary again:

This is my first Fallout. Sort of. I never played the original Fallouts because I was busy, and turn-based strategic games have never been a strength. And I bounced off Fallout 3 like a bouncy ball on a trampoline – three times I started that game, and three times I reached Megaton, felt overwhelmed with choices about which I didn’t care, and wandered off. New Vegas, which I know I should play, got swept away with its predecessor. So Fallout 4 is the first time I’ve sunk my teeth into a game in the series. NMA, come get me.

I also found the writing singularly dull. It’s not bad, but that would have at least beeninteresting. It’s nothingness, just cardboard characters barking “RHUBARB RHUBARB RHUBARB” at you until they’re done, when you then look at the quest details to find out what it is you’re actually supposed to be doing. Oh no, Cardboard X doesn’t like Cardboard Y, and Cardboard Z is getting frustrated! I’d better speak to Cardboard A and B, and get Cardboard C to help. Or more likely, shoot Targets D through W until it says I’ve achieved something.

So it makes it weird that I’ve enjoyed playing it so much.

It's shit, 10/10!
This is why nobody reads the gaming press any more.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

The original Fallout games are incredibly easy to play, too, compared with other isometric 90s cRPGs. There's not really any excuse for a "Fallout fan" to not play them. It's bewildering that people proclaiming to be a franchises' greatest fan would miss out on two out of five games (not counting Tactics and BoS). Do other series have the same problem?

Final Fantasy

Apparently not, since you can do more things in vanilla Fallout 1/2 than Fallout 3. Like kill children, fuck prostitutes and become a porn star. So if that really were the case, The first 2 games would be more immersive

Yeah, but it's not in first person which gives it a big immersion penalty. I can't feel like I'm really killing a kid unless I can look deep inside his lifeless eyes as the body slowly goes limp on my sword and uuuuuuuuungh

 

[typical user]

Reading in context window how I have made someone's eyes/groin simply disappear while watching half the body torn apart succumbing to the ground with barely noticable scream from pain is more immersive than blurred explosion with bloody bits flying around with jerky havoc ragdolls.

Or seeing someone melt from plasma shot revealing skeleton which falls on the ground into puddle of blood is more satisfying than seeing them turn into green goo.

And you can do these brutal kills on children too.

 

[Atlantico]

3. Alright, I half-agree with you, they either need to set the games earlier or strive to build a more "realistic" world. Now, time for a rant: Look, I'm biased, I know some people at BGS, and believe me, this game was not just shat out in 10 months. They are passionate and love their games, they also understand that no one here will ever like their games and don't try to compete with the games this audience loves.

Lots of people here like their games, but their decline is real. It has nothing to do with Bethesda pandering (or not) to the goddam Codex, but that each of their releases is dumber than the last.

The Codex probably hates most games equally, but that's neither here nor there - what we look for and respect when we see is the incline. When people make something today that is actually an improvement. The game may suck, but it will be respected for incline. As it will be torn to shreds for a pathetic decline like FO4.

 

[bloodlover]

http://kotaku.com/guy-beats-fallout...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Guy beats Fallout 4 without killing anyone.

 

[Kazuki]

While i understand that you can't do much in speech/diplomatic playthrough that will require extensive voice acting.

What i don't understand is why stealth option is lacking as well. it's not like it really require a huge amount of voice acting to make it as possible solution to solve a quest.

http://kotaku.com/guy-beats-fallout...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Guy beats Fallout 4 without killing anyone.

One comment worth to check out

Something we’ve grown to forget, unfortunately, is that we haven’t any inherit right to judge how a product is manifest when we, those who would proclaim judgement, have literally no investment in the production of that product.

It’s all too easy for car guys like myself to stand back and click our tongues at a new product for failing to meet our expectations while gloriously ignoring the fact that we had neither input nor investment.

You see, when George RR Martin does something in the world he crafted with which you do not personally agree, and based on your perception of “I’ve invested my time and passion in this thing” judge it as though you were some shareholder in it’s development and subsequent failure or success, that just makes you an asshole.

I get it, and I respect it, the feeling that you’ve earned a right to judge based on the fact that you’re a fan, maybe hipster-like in proclamations of “I loved it before it was famous!” or the misconception that because you spent your hard earned money on the thing the manufacturers or producers owe it to you to take your concerns to heart, but that’s all these are - feelings.

The neat part about life in most of the modern world where video games are readily played, is that you can still go back and play those old games that made you fall in love with a franchise without the new game ruining them or, and here’s the big one, you can get an education in a relative field and maybe one day shape the direction of said franchise...

... but until you do those things and so long as you sit on the internet making vaguely shitty comments about how a thing wasn’t the thing it was supposed to be, despite all of the above being true, you’re just an asshole.

Understand, I’m not actually calling you an asshole... I’m just describing a type of scenario which closely matches this one.

 

[Lemming42]

http://kotaku.com/guy-beats-fallout...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Guy beats Fallout 4 without killing anyone.

I tried to do this on my first playthrough, even building a Charisma and Intelligence focused character when I was blissfully unaware of just how shit the game is, but I gave up on that fucking door early on that absolutely refuses to open until you've massacred 7 people. Sounds like it might be the same part he almost gave up on.

Very impressed that someone managed to do it, definitely gonna check out his playthrough.

 

[Zerginfestor]

http://kotaku.com/guy-beats-fallout...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Guy beats Fallout 4 without killing anyone.

"By letting the shitty AI take a whack at it instead!", I noticed some dialogue in there, but most of it is just some idiot sitting behind cover as his retarded buttbuddy goes dakka dakka on other idiots.

 

[CrustyBot]

Something we’ve grown to forget, unfortunately, is that we haven’t any inherit right to judge how a product is manifest when we, those who would proclaim judgement, have literally no investment in the production of that product.

It’s all too easy for car guys like myself to stand back and click our tongues at a new product for failing to meet our expectations while gloriously ignoring the fact that we had neither input nor investment.

You see, when George RR Martin does something in the world he crafted with which you do not personally agree, and based on your perception of “I’ve invested my time and passion in this thing” judge it as though you were some shareholder in it’s development and subsequent failure or success, that just makes you an asshole.

I get it, and I respect it, the feeling that you’ve earned a right to judge based on the fact that you’re a fan, maybe hipster-like in proclamations of “I loved it before it was famous!” or the misconception that because you spent your hard earned money on the thing the manufacturers or producers owe it to you to take your concerns to heart, but that’s all these are - feelings.

The neat part about life in most of the modern world where video games are readily played, is that you can still go back and play those old games that made you fall in love with a franchise without the new game ruining them or, and here’s the big one, you can get an education in a relative field and maybe one day shape the direction of said franchise...

... but until you do those things and so long as you sit on the internet making vaguely shitty comments about how a thing wasn’t the thing it was supposed to be, despite all of the above being true, you’re just an asshole.

Understand, I’m not actually calling you an asshole... I’m just describing a type of scenario which closely matches this one.

Now that is contemptible. But it would be interesting to use this kind of argument on groups like SJWs who seek to disingenuously criticise games from a feminist perspective, or reviewers who take the "it's not mature!!!" perspective on fun and simple games.

 

[Sankarihauta]

http://imgur.com/HB7fsfn

Going through post history of that person is painful, interacting with them is cancerous. But wait, there's more! Let me introduce some other devoted fans:

Da Megaton Pimp and some of his work
Two in one! Trannigan and jd10013
Reading whatever commissar redguard posts means risking your sanity
Anthropoid and his input on depth of the game, which was followed by "depth is an illusion".
And my personal best friend, Chip, who couldn't have a day without reminding me how funny I am.

But AiTenshi1 still overshadows them all. At once.

There's an amazing coincidental correlation between people like that and preference of F3/4 over FNV. And playing on XBerx.

Oh Trannigan's dumbass. He came on NMA not long ago, just for trolling purposes. We asked him why he was there, and he thought the dissenters on the Beth boards were from NMA, and he wouldn't leave until "we" left their boards -- of course we had no fucking clue what he was talking about. Needless to say, he didn't last long.

NMA has a derpy no cross-site trolling rule. where you don't have to be trolling instead just have been unpopular somewhere else then bring the same unpopular idea/drama to NMA.
Proof they lost all ability to evaluate foreigners.

 

[MWaser]

http://kotaku.com/guy-beats-fallout...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Guy beats Fallout 4 without killing anyone.

"By letting the shitty AI take a whack at it instead!", I noticed some dialogue in there, but most of it is just some idiot sitting behind cover as his retarded buttbuddy goes dakka dakka on other idiots.

So it's "Guy beats Fallout 4 without personally killing anyone." I'm not sure that counts.

Then again, playing this game and not ending up killing someone in real life afterwards is already an achievement and testament to patience on its own.

 

[Jozoz]

http://imgur.com/HB7fsfn

Going through post history of that person is painful, interacting with them is cancerous.

And to no one's surprise that guy is a huge weeb.

 

[Lemming42]

It goes to show what a pile of fuck the game is. Even Fallout 3 had a viable no kills run - almost every sidequest had some kind of stupid nonviolent solution and the main quest necessitated only the killing of that fucking radroach at the start and the Super Mutants inside the purifier room (which I think had a turret nearby you could activate with Science).

Getting through the game without your kill counter going up when every single aspect of the game is designed to push your kill counter into the thousands is quite an accomplishment, even if the only way to do it is spastically glitching through the game.

 

[Jozoz]

It goes to show what a pile of fuck the game is. Even Fallout 3 had a viable no kills run - almost every sidequest had some kind of stupid nonviolent solution and the main quest necessitated only the killing of that fucking radroach at the start and the Super Mutants inside the purifier room (which I think had a turret nearby you could activate with Science).

Getting through the game without your kill counter going up when every single aspect of the game is designed to push your kill counter into the thousands is quite an accomplishment, even if the only way to do it is spastically glitching through the game.

For me one of the big things is just the dialogue.

In Fallout 3 I could ask pretty much everyone around the cities about information about subjects or just history of the settlement. It wasn't well written or anything, but it was just nice. Quests like figuring out the past of Rivet City weren't good by any means, but they certainly were different and a breath of fresh air - just like the android one.

There's none of that in Fallout 4. Almost every NPC in the settlements doesn't even have dialogue. They don't even have names usually.

It's just become so boring.

Last time I played I remember killing some mutants in a building of some sort. Then I went a few meters up at hill and I saw a Raider camp. The 2 camps were so close to each other that it doesn't make any sense for them to exist without conflict.

That's when I realised all the locations in this game are just places to put enemies. It almost feels like playing World of Warcraft.

 

[Kalasanty11]

Yes, because criticizing F4 in a Codex circle jerk is so much "manlier" than trying to educate (or at least annoy) some fanboys somewhere else

Your problem is that you didn't collect the salt, forcing us to go to reddit ourselves. If you want to harvest those brofists, you need to show how butthurt they are about it. Worked for me when I went on the BSN and now I'm a veritable e-celeb on Codex!

I couldn't care less about brofists. I just wanted to know why my thread was removed from the main page, I figured out someone may have a clue. I suspected some form of censorship, but didn't want to become paranoid. Anyway, after I had asked moderator on Fallout subreddit about this, he... restored my thread to the main page. Weird.

 

[CrawlingDead]

http://imgur.com/HB7fsfn

Going through post history of that person is painful, interacting with them is cancerous. But wait, there's more! Let me introduce some other devoted fans:

Da Megaton Pimp and some of his work
Two in one! Trannigan and jd10013
Reading whatever commissar redguard posts means risking your sanity
Anthropoid and his input on depth of the game, which was followed by "depth is an illusion".
And my personal best friend, Chip, who couldn't have a day without reminding me how funny I am.

But AiTenshi1 still overshadows them all. At once.

There's an amazing coincidental correlation between people like that and preference of F3/4 over FNV. And playing on XBerx.

Oh Trannigan's dumbass. He came on NMA not long ago, just for trolling purposes. We asked him why he was there, and he thought the dissenters on the Beth boards were from NMA, and he wouldn't leave until "we" left their boards -- of course we had no fucking clue what he was talking about. Needless to say, he didn't last long.

NMA has a derpy no cross-site trolling rule. where you don't have to be trolling instead just have been unpopular somewhere else then bring the same unpopular idea/drama to NMA.
Proof they lost all ability to evaluate foreigners.

It's a rule that works for that particular forum, but for some reason, they don't enforce it as strictly as they should. NMA is a pretty fine forum, so it's pretty funny to see these bethtards come on there and act like we're the scourge of the internet. We should send them over here.

 

[CrawlingDead]

Yes, because criticizing F4 in a Codex circle jerk is so much "manlier" than trying to educate (or at least annoy) some fanboys somewhere else

Your problem is that you didn't collect the salt, forcing us to go to reddit ourselves. If you want to harvest those brofists, you need to show how butthurt they are about it. Worked for me when I went on the BSN and now I'm a veritable e-celeb on Codex!

I couldn't care less about brofists. I just wanted to know why my thread was removed from the main page, I figured out someone may have a clue. I suspected some form of censorship, but didn't want to become paranoid. Anyway, after I had asked moderator on Fallout subreddit about this, he... restored my thread to the main page. Weird.

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