What RPGs other than Arcanum feature 'fate points'?

[rusty_shackleford]

I assume it was inspired by Fudge points(or similar? I've never bothered to look into it)

 

[V_K]

Frayed Knights has "drama stars". They're not awarded for completing quests though, but for avoiding save-scumming - the longer you go without reloading the more star points you get.

 

[luj1]

Henkel's Deadfire thing was supposed to have it

 

[Darth Roxor]

I assume it was inspired by Fudge points(or similar? I've never bothered to look into it)

Fate points (under varying names in different systems) are a staple of pen and paper in general.

There aren't many RPGs out there using fate points, but Frayed Knights uses them in the best way by far. Two other examples I can think of are Torment Numanuma (terrible implementation because they're lifted straight from pnp Numenera, and that is one shit heap of a system), and arguably Battletech (obviously not RPG, but the speshul abilities you can activate through morale are fate points in every way other than name).

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

 

[Butter]

I only got 1 fate point and I never used it. Kerghan was easy enough to beat without it.

 

[Shadenuat]

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

The Arcanum rolls are such that savescumming might never help you. Generally u either have 4 out of 5 points in skill or gg

Fate Points allow doing what you never could have done (solving quests without companions for example, like opening iron clan box) or greatly increase speed at which some builds develop (stealing very good guns).

There is no critical for persuasion so there is no point saving them for Kerghan or anyone.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It has always reminded me of the Fallout Karma, but with the ability to spend it on actions https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Karma

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

Because not everyone savescums

 

[Darth Roxor]

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

Because not everyone savescums

then have fun trying to decide where to spend your 1 fate point in a game that takes 40 or whatever hours to finish

spoiler, you're never going to spend it

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

Because not everyone savescums

then have fun trying to decide where to spend your 1 fate point in a game that takes 40 or whatever hours to finish

spoiler, you're never going to spend it

there's 27 possible fate points.

 

[Citizen]

why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

I use them to pickpocket TOP GUNZ for my firearms characters, because I don't like savescumming

 

[Egosphere]

why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

I use them to pickpocket TOP GUNZ for my firearms characters, because I don't like savescumming

There's also the sword of Baltar on Lianna, if you decide to go south first before visiting Tarant

 

[sputtering fart balloon]

As mentioned they are a pnp thing and also common in board games, I have played a lot of Talisman and fate can make or break you in that game. One thing I like about Talisman that might be cool in video game rpgs is how you start out with a number of fate points based on your class/race (well, in Talisman you start with a character card such as "Troll" or "Thief") and so it could offer more customization, i.e. in considering your character's luck or equivalent, the fate points you get could be another factor to think about.

 

[Dorateen]

Grimoire has a Destiny attribute, which allows a chance for a character to survive a hit that would have otherwise killed them. Each time this happens, that character loses a point of Destiny.

 

[laclongquan]

It has always reminded me of the Fallout Karma, but with the ability to spend it on actions https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Karma

It would have been a good use and prevent a lot of reload. Sometimes we just want to succeed THAT one time~

 

[luj1]

There aren't many RPGs out there using fate points, but Frayed Knights uses them in the best way by far....

 

[Darth Roxor]

and your point is?

i cant communicate in pictograms

 

[Absinthe]

Fate points were inspired by tabletop RPGs afaict.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Fate points were inspired by tabletop RPGs afaict.

Fudge was the earliest tabletop RPG I was aware of that gave them an actual name

 

[Cael]

Also, I think Arcanum's fate points are terribly ill-considered, because you get them very rarely and they never regenerate, so why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

Because not everyone savescums

then have fun trying to decide where to spend your 1 fate point in a game that takes 40 or whatever hours to finish

spoiler, you're never going to spend it

there's 27 possible fate points.

There is actually an unlimited supply of fate points if you are willing to forgo completing a quest for a while. You can only have 100 of them at any one time, but that itself should be plenty.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I can understand Roxor's point about people not wanting to use them because save scumming exists, but as I said before, designing systems around save scumming is just stupid. It's a waste of time and possibly of good ideas, just to claim you have a game system immune to save scumming.

And yeah, in Arcanum they definitely help you do things you couldn't do even if you save scummed, so they're hardly "terribly ill-considered".

 

[Shadenuat]

and your point is?

i cant communicate in pictograms

I remember being turned off by the style, and especially jokes of this game as well. Isn't it the one with piss golems? Did I miss a good game because of that?

 

[Darth Roxor]

Yep. Barring the p. ugly graphics and webcomic humour (personally I didn't find it that bad, it has a few funny moments), it's all things considered a solid blobber.

 

[Spectacle]

why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

I use them to pickpocket TOP GUNZ for my firearms characters, because I don't like savescumming

But you don't mind metagaming to know where to go to steal TOP GUNZ at the beginning of the game?

 

[Strange Fellow]

why the fuck would you ever consider using them instead of, I dunno, hogging them all for the final boss? Especially with save scumming around.

I use them to pickpocket TOP GUNZ for my firearms characters, because I don't like savescumming

But you don't mind metagaming to know where to go to steal TOP GUNZ at the beginning of the game?

I may be misremembering, but can't you look at NPC inventories through the pickpocket interface without passing any checks?