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Incline The Death of Freemium? Microtransactions Under Global Scrutiny

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Lahey, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. Swigen Learned

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    “My kid’s got me so cucked I have no control over wut he buys with muh credit card on muh computer on the gaem I bought him. Thank u so much goverment for lookin out fer da chidren! P.S. gaems r too violent an sexul an cause shootins an I buy rated M for muh 7 yr old, plz halp!!!

    Remember the 1-900 $5 a minute tip line they printed in the back of EVERY game instruction manual back in the day and parents whined about their kids running up the phone bill and the government was like, “just beat you’re kids faggot”.?
     
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  2. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    You can't do that any more, thanks to sjw shits. It is now literally illegal in some countries to smack your kids.
     
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  3. ZodoZ Cipher Patron

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    Therein lies a major problem in the world today (at least in the "civilized" unhappy parts of the globe.
     
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  4. Wyatt_Derp Educated

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    We live in an era when credit-starved culture blobs need government intervention to stop them from pulling the lever of consumer drip-drops. There's not really words to describe how moronic and pointless this is.

    Except that it gets the camel's nose under the tent a bit more. That makes more sense, but the obvious isn't apparent to those not paying attention.
     
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  5. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/...-hawley-markey-blumenthal-privacy-video-games

     
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  6. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Who decides what is a "minor-oriented game"?
     
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  7. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    It's not a question of ARTISTIC FREEDOM GET OFF MY BACK BIG BROTHER but whether you want microtrans in every game from here to fucking eternity because why wouldn't devs throw it in? It's incredibly profitable, gamers are compulsive people. Even if you're not compulsive, don't you find it horrifically annoying? An outright ban might not be the answer but at minimum they should tax the absolute living shit out of it, just like other gambling.
     
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  8. Dexter Arcane

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    Probably the ESRB, but personally I hope not and they take the broadest possible interpretation for said. If it includes the colors Red, Green or Blue would be a good metric IMO.
     
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  9. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    This same argument could be used to ban pizza and hamburgers, or limit spending on gaming in general. "Gotta look out for people who can't make reasonable decisions." Fuck that, let people decide for themselves. If people want to be fucking retards and support microtransactions then that's their decision. I think it's ridiculous but I don't agree with banning other people's behaviors because I don't like them. Unless we have a surge in criminality for people to get money to buy loot boxes then it's none of my business, and none of yours either.

    I'm fine with limiting access for minors though, but again who decides what is a "minor-oriented game"? That's some bullshit right there, cut that part out and stick with the 18 years old age limit.
     
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  10. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    Yes. That is why we have the Food and Drug Administration. Want to abolish that too?
     
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  11. c2007 Savant

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    Gotta love the consumer advocacy in this thread.

    A psychologically predatory practice is not good, even if it is profitable. It isn't about shitty parents (they exist anyway), it is about a bullshit model that preys on the ignorant and weak (children) while annoying the fuck out of me.

    That we need to make a law about it says more about modern morality and the primacy of profit than it does about some Orwellian future. The former we can do something about.
     
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  12. Steamboat Willie Learned

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    I just love how many faggots are now unironically screaming "Think of the children!" and clamoring for government regulation of video games after fighting against it for years.
     
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  13. deuxhero Arcane

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    From what I've read it draws on a definition in existing law regarding privacy policies.
     
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  14. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    You're an idiot. No one is advocating for censorship of content here (or anywhere), which is what the former conversation was about.

    "Wait, we're having another different argument? But we argued about something before and I was right that time! I'm automatically right every time now!"

    And even if the "prior argument" argument was valid, you'd still be wrong, because gambling was regulated a million years before video games even existed, so regulating it again now is perfectly consistent.
     
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  15. Steamboat Willie Learned

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    Good thing that's not what I said then.
     
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  16. Swigen Learned

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    Yeah, poor little bastards with credit cards. Everyone agrees lootboxes and pay to win is horse shit but as soon as you invite the government to intervene in anything with “fer da children” attached it becomes a very slippery slope where you may not like the next law that’s passed “fer da children”.
     
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  17. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    Then what the fuck are you talking about?
     
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  18. c2007 Savant

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    It's not for the children. It's for the people. I don't gamble because I understand how gambling works, and I also have not tried gitting gud at it because I prefer less risk.

    Almost all of us (big almost) here are significantly smarter than the average consumer. The average person is not very bright and works hard for their money.

    How cool of the greedy smart people to prey on the ignorant worker. How wise of them, to live for today and always maximize personal profit. An endless caste system of slaves to work to death and bilk, huzzah!

    There may not be Good, but there is plenty of evil.
     
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  19. Dexter Arcane

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    I've always been for regulation when it's sensible and hopefully reaches a good and positive outcome for consumers: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-net-neutrality’s-peril-raises-the-stakes-for-future-satellite-broadband-options.119255/page-2#post-5393669

    Trying to regulate things like violence/sexual content in entertainment is bad since it would be suppression of speech, it would also be against the First Amendment so I don't expect any such legislation from the legislative in the US (private pressure groups and large businesses are a lot more concerning here as we've seen over the past few years): https://www.cnet.com/news/video-games-given-full-first-amendment-protection/

    Gambling is rather different here and has been regulated for hundreds of years, this is just the law catching up with modern technological implementations of it and its gamification after plenty of abuse by even mainstream companies.

    Blanketly/kneejerkedly being against any regulation, even if it's for a good reason or lead to a good outcome because "regulation bad" is stupid and on top of that an untenable and extreme position. Regulations are all around us at all time and as Zombra pointed out many of those times for good reason, which is why an argument talking about "pizza and burgers" in this context is also stupid. You for instance wouldn't want your pizza or burger to be poisonous or contain certain unsafe ingredients or to be prepared in unhygienic conditions. There are probably hundreds or even thousands of regulations that apply to making things like pizza or burgers, from concerns regarding employment, to things like fire safety standards to hygiene and health standards. Even in places like Egypt they have some health standards and regulations and for instance arrest people for bottling juice in factories that look like this: https://www.wereblog.com/revolting-juice-factory-in-egypt
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    If you want to make an argument as to why this is bad, your argument shouldn't be "regulation is bad!" since that's pretty low level and untenable with there being hundreds of thousands of regulations applying to you and the things you buy or interact with every day including at home and in your workplace and whatnot, but pointing out exactly why you think this regulation is bad or might lead to a bad outcome and come up with compelling reasons why one should be against it.
     
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  20. Humanophage Arcane

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    How do children even gamble? You are not supposed to give money to children because they are not yet capable of using it, as the argument seems to agree. Children are quite interested in buying other questionable things too - e.g., collectible cards or unhealthy food.

    Alternatively, if you choose to give money to the child because you think it will get them used to capitalism or something, then there is no problem if they spend the money however they see fit. It is quite likely that they'll be embarrassed about it down the road.
     
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  21. HeroMarine Learned

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    We will worry about the next law when we arrive there.
     
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  22. Goi~Yaas~Dinn Learned

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    If it's bipartisan now, then I'm certainly less suspicious of it, even with Hawly's name attached.
    Fascinating. Could you fuck off back to Rapture now, please?
     
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  23. Irata Educated

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    Most games won't be bothered much by this bill if it passes. For example, Fortnite, as far as I know, only has cosmetic microtransactions. So there is no "pay-to-win" there. Any time someone wants to buy a lootbox all that will happen is they'll be required to enter a password or have to reenter payment details. Does Fortnite even have lootboxes? If not then this bill won't impact games like that at all. Cosmetic microtransactions aren't loot boxes and they're not pay-to-win. I'm guessing this is a smartphone issue for the most part.
     
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    https://nichegamer.com/2019/05/23/n...g-pocket-camp-in-belgium-over-loot-box-fears/

     
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  25. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    This forum is filled with mommy state euros, sadly.
     
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