Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Diablo 3 was also a humongous seller

yeah nothing to do with Blizzard and the Diablo name dude, only isometric perspective lol

Are you fucking retard? I didn’t say Diablo 3 sold like it did because it was isometric... and the exact same thing can be said of Skyrim. Like what, you think Skyrim sold what it did just because it was first person? No, Skyrim sold like it did because of Bethesda’s name, because it was Bethesda’s latest game, and because Skyrim had maybe the biggest marketing campaign of any Bethesda game ever; it’s one of the few non iOS games to get network television commercial spots.

The whole point was that isometric action games also sell, that the Pillar of Eternity games are already isometric, and they could’ve made an isometric Avowed faster and cheaper than they made this.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

If you don't understand why Skyrim sold well then ur kind of retardred imo..

 

[luj1]

they could’ve made an isometric Avowed faster and cheaper than they made this.

not necessarily because they had TOW

 

[Roguey]

No, it is weird, because Diablo 3 was also a humongous seller that Obsidian Entertainment would be more than happy to get a slice of the sells pie of.

Making an isometric action game would also allow them to keep the exact same aesthetic as the games it’s related, they likely would’ve got the game out years earlier, and they most definitely could’ve done it for less than they spent on this shit. So yeah, from a business perspective, it’s pretty fucking weird. In a world where isometric action game Diablo 3 can sell over 30 million in around three years, an isometric action game is just as valid of a money making venture as chasing Skyrim; and you can chase one of those things for far less money.

They wanted to make a game they wanted to play, not maximize cost/sales potential.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

According to who exactly? Planescape Torment has no physics and is older than Ultima Underworld.

But Avowed ain't Planescape Torment. It ain't TOEE either. Ain't Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Not even Oblivion. It's Avooowed. Smells like shit. Looks like shit. Others call it shit. People who don't eat shit say it tastes awfully, like shit. People who eat shit say mmm, not bad shit. What is it? MYSTERY! Go. Go on. Taste it for yourself. Only 69.99$

 

[The Nameless One]

If you don't understand why Skyrim sold well then ur kind of retardred imo..

Ah yes, look at that third-grade spelled sentence about someone else being mentally challenged.

 

[Quillon]

They wanted to make a game they wanted to play

wtf, you know they wanted make their Skyrim which is what they want to play, in the end they made a game they could make without much challenge

 

[Beans00]

Roguey , Most of obsidian is going to be unemployed just like you in the near future. From the looks of this failure of a game, lol.

 

[Laz Sundays]

Players: "Wtf are you doing we love sexy, epic and heroic in our fantasy, we always had"

Developers: "Mushrooms on face, trannies and vitiligo, got it!"

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

If you don't understand why Skyrim sold well then ur kind of retardred imo..

Ah yes, look at that third-grade spelled sentence about someone else being mentally challenged.

Stop punchin down on me i cant not help it

 

[frajaq]

Some of the enemies spawns in this game are Dragon Age 2 level of "literally out of thin air"

 

[Grampy_Bone]

They wanted to make a game they wanted to play, not maximize cost/sales potential.

Except that it was originally an open-world live service skyrim/destiny thing. Went through development hell and scraped together assets into something playable.

This isn't anyone's dream game or singular vision, it's a Minimum Viable Product.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

(although even if Avowed was fantastic, it was never doing anything close to what Skyrim did on release)

No but it would have been better than this.

I made this point way earlier in the thread, but open-world fantasy action games sell pretty well, and there aren't really that many of them. It's not at all like other popular genres like Hero Shooters where there were 20 clones within a year of Overwatch. It's mainly critics and developers who are sick of open world games, the market loves them.

Obsidian could have always gone the Larian/CDPR route. Start small, develop your tech, build an audience, reap rewards in a decade. but it sounds like management never understood that.

 

[Xelocix]

No, it is weird, because Diablo 3 was also a humongous seller that Obsidian Entertainment would be more than happy to get a slice of the sells pie of.

Making an isometric action game would also allow them to keep the exact same aesthetic as the games it’s related, they likely would’ve got the game out years earlier, and they most definitely could’ve done it for less than they spent on this shit. So yeah, from a business perspective, it’s pretty fucking weird. In a world where isometric action game Diablo 3 can sell over 30 million in around three years, an isometric action game is just as valid of a money making venture as chasing Skyrim; and you can chase one of those things for far less money.

They wanted to make a game they wanted to play, not maximize cost/sales potential.

You'd be hard pressed to find any games released the past year where this isnt the case. This is truly the age of self-insert my-world-my-way slop.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Ubisoft built their entire organization around that model and their implosion is the most recent evidence of the trend.

Except that AC Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla sold really well. Their recent issues stem from Skull and Bones and Mirage flopping as well as hiring too many people who don't do any work (aka DEI hires).

Not to mention Elden Ring was a mega hit, and it's almost pure gameplay with zero story. Cyberpunk did well, RDR2, Grand Theft Auto 6 will sell a quadrillion units, Horizon games did well, Witcher 3 obviously did great, Skyrim is still selling. Dragon's Dogma 2 did alright and it has tons of problems, none of which were DEI related though. The only major open world flop I can think of in recent times was Forspoken but that was a clear example of Black Girl Magic bombing in the market.

He gave up on this after both his employees within the studio and the Project Eternity Kickstarter backers rebelled against boobplate. No sense in fighting against the tide.

Feargus was right and his devs were wrong. If Avowed had Stellar Blade's art director it would have sold a lot more.

 

[d1r]

Roguey truly is the Morgoth of Avowed.

 

[Orud]

Ubisoft's formulaic open world games, AC Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla and all the Farcry games, have been their big earners. It's everything else that they've dumped absolute billions in at this point, that's been an outright failure.

Their bad decisions go from investing hundreds of millions on live service games that they pull after 6 months, games they never market or trying to sell games on their dead IP instead of their merit (yes, I'm calling Star Wars dead at this point).

 

[Yosharian]

At least the outer worlds 2 team is quite different from the avowed team.
The xtra money definitely is there in avowed, but squandered. avowed feels alot more realized that outer worlds did, for all its faults, which makes me hopeful that TOW2 will actually be new vegas 2 in space this game.

Is this true? I assumed Avowed and TOW1 had a big overlap in the teams making them because the games share so many of the same problems - obviously TOW1 had Boyarsky and Cain but their presence didn't seem to help the game's quality in any way. Is the TOW2 team different from the TOW1 team?

It is most definitely NOT true

There is no way that Patel, Dollarhyde, Starks etc aren't going to get their hands on TOW2 and ruin as much of it as they can, just like they did with the first game

People are STILL holding out hope for TOW2 lmao it's like at this point I can't even blame Obsidian for exploiting stupid people

 

[Yosharian]

The question you really have to answer: Who was Avowed made for?

-Not designed for Pillars fans (not isometric or party based)
-Not designed for hardcore Codex-level RPG fans (too simplistic, bare-bones, and shallow)
-Not designed for dude-bro shooter/live service fans (no multiplayer)
-Not designed for Diablo/Path of Exile players (no loot, classes, or endgame)
-Not designed for normie AAA consoomers (no open world)
-Not designed for women (too much combat)
-Not designed for blacks (no sports, cars, or "black girl magic")

The best you can say is it's Gamepass filler, aka a race to the bottom.

It's designed to make people waste a month's subscription to Gamepass

Seriously though I guarantee most of the morons who 'bought' this justified it as 'oh well I'll just get it on Gamepass it's only $20'

Guess what Gamepass doesn't have

Refunds

 

[fantadomat]

Did they manage to beat deadfire's numbers?! MS must be happy for spending millions and 6 years on fat devs benefit packages. Grandpa Fatso must be really happy about it lol.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

The cucks from Reddit calling features from Morrowind 20 years ago "cool" and innovative

You guys have to see this JarlFrank Zed Duke of Banville Sentinel Dark Souls II Darkozric

This is less Morrowind's method of permitting the player-character to ask about keywords (if the NPC in dialogue has a response for it) and closer to the encyclopedia prominent in Suzerain (2020), though Suzerain's Codex is more versatile and informative:

 

[GrainWetski]

Or some other random game

 

[sosmoflux]

Played some Avowed

• The sweeping emotional music as you're Pacmanning around the map is really fucking annoying
• Kai (and I assume other companions) are extremely underdeveloped. Often you get ambushed, or deal with some grey ethics situation aaaaand, zero comment from your companion... what's the fucken point of having them if they're this shit?
• Minimap shows plants and dead bodies, but not chests or other high value loot... make your mind up dumbass game designers
• Exploration is kinda decent, fairly dense, stuff everywhere - very braindead though, reminds me of Breath of the Wild
• However somehow they've made secrets and puzzles so unrewarding and bland to figure out, terrible game feel, terrible sense of discovery, just shit placed around with vaguely hidden buttons
• Pretty funny how basic the intro is, then immediately you're off running around a random island doing GAMEPLAY and LOOTING CHESTS, there's barely any preamble or setup or context at all lmao
• Talking to any NPC so far has been extremely mind numbing so you just skip through it, really feels like ChatGPT writing, zero bite, women everywhere, just cringe
• You can't mark anything on your map, yet there are locked chests, secrets you might want to come back to, and other shit - INSANE you can't mark the map fucking dumb shits

Feel like this game had all the ingredients to be good but it was made by retards

 

[sosmoflux]

Who was Avowed made for?

I discussed this many pages ago, it was made for Feargus Urquhart and Carrie Patel.

The more I think about it, the more this explains everything.

 

[sebas]

If you don't understand why Skyrim sold well then ur kind of retardred imo..

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