Review 13 Shocking Facts about Fallout 4 That Will Forever Change the Way You Think about RPGs

[FeelTheRads]

So will this cause any butthurt in the usual places or most people don't really care about Fallout 4? I have not payed too much attention, but there should be at least some butthurt tards right here on the Codex.

 

[Zetor]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/371919771753417028/

http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/fallout-4-rpgcodex-review.205432/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1206582
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200630504#post200630504
http://badgame.net/index.php?topic=34778.25480
http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33163
http://www.wykop.pl/wpis/17311149/http-www-rpgcodex-net-content-php-id-10267-mega-re/

Good stuff. The badgame post seems to be behind a registration-wall, which is a bit sadface... I'm curious to see what reaction SA/YCS people would have to this piece.

 

[Blaine]

...It's no hyperbole to say that the writers at Bethesda are some of the worst storytellers in the AAA gaming segment. They are fatally attached to the idea of making a cartoon world full of cartoon characters living through Very Serious Stories. Unfortunately, this combination of narrative elements clashes rather badly, and results in a bunch of utterly idiotic stories that positively dare the player to find any sort of intelligent design behind them.

That's it in a nutshell.

[PRESS RELEASE] "We're all huge Fallout fans here at Bethesda."

"Hey Todd, the Fallout setting takes place in a bleak, gritty post-apocalyptic world, and is also known for its humor, according to this Wikipedia article I just Googled. Also, there are mutants and props from the 1950s in it."

"Is that a fact? All right, let's draw up the design documents."

"Perfect."

 

[Blaine]

I'm glad you spent so long playing it. Think of it as penance for your somewhat positive article/preview on swordcoast legends.

You must have me confused with someone else. I've only ever heard Sword Coast Legend mentioned by others.

 

[Arthandas]

Here's my F4 review:

Alt + F4

 

[you know what time it is]

It's better than Wasteland 2.

You belong in the casual shaming thread.

He isn't that far off though. Wish dex would do a similar review on Wasteland, not a 'negative' one, but a fair one. I fail to see how WL2 has better encounter, world and combat design. Wasteland plays, feels and performs like a browser game.

 

[Starwars]

The section about "I don't know what Fallout 4 is about" was a thing of beauty.

 

[thesheeep]

Great review.
And even though it was pretty TL; I still Rd.

 

[Arulan]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1206582

I was actually a little surprised by the overall agreement with the review. Then again, post-honeymoon phase criticism is very common.

Great review. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[J_C]

First I thought that I won't read this long ass wall of text, but since I had nothing better to do, I started to grind through it. And boy it was fun. I'm pretty sure that I had more fun reading this than the "fun" I would have had if I played this shit.

And to see that all those Codexians who shit on other games waste a hundred hours in this just screams hypocricy.

Mount & Blade, Skyrim, Life is Feudal: Your Own, Farcry 3 & 4, Wurm Unlimited, The Forest ...

Well, if gamers, developers, media treats it as an RPG, it should be tested as an RPG.

 

[Mozg]

I read all that shit. Thanks for playing enough to be able to do it exhaustively, although in the end I'm sure it's exactly what anyone would have expected based on Beth history and their marketing. Doing the actual footwork let you unearth gems like the fact that this multibillion dollar video game company put in a bunch of weird vanity content with Linda Carter (who is some Bethguy's wife, right).

I feel we're getting closer to the day that regular assholes can grasp that Bethesda is three midgets in a trenchcoat.

 

[J_C]

May I ask what is that MCA tweet the Codex facebook post is talking about?

Our Fallout 4 review coupled with Chris Avellone's tweet is why we can't have nice (Fallout-ey) things anymore.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

May I ask what is that MCA tweet the Codex facebook post is talking about?

Our Fallout 4 review coupled with Chris Avellone's tweet is why we can't have nice (Fallout-ey) things anymore.

 

[Urbanolo]

I might be getting wrong impression (since I don't usually visit mainstream gaming sites, except for /r/games), but Fallout 4 hype seems to have burnt out surprisingly quickly. If I remember correctly, it took people over a year to start seeing the most obvious flaws in Skyrim, and most people are still gushing over it.
Now it seems barely anyone gives a fuck about F4 or the upcoming DLCs except for autists, that enjoy spending hundreds of hours building and crafting usless shit.

 

[Crooked Bee]

This reviewer isn't much of a roleplayer. Some people like pistols, some like shotty's, some like melee, some like automatics, and some like snipers. You can't go into a system designed to be tailored to the way you want to play and then bitch when it lets you min/max.

 

[Infinitron]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1206582

I was actually a little surprised by the overall agreement with the review. Then again, post-honeymoon phase criticism is very common.

Great review. I enjoyed reading it.

FO4 didn't even have that much of a honeymoon phase. It was getting some hammering even by the mainstream press from the very beginning, eg: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-go-to-new-thread.99563/page-272#post-4216857

I read all that shit. Thanks for playing enough to be able to do it exhaustively, although in the end I'm sure it's exactly what anyone would have expected based on Beth history and their marketing. Doing the actual footwork let you unearth gems like the fact that this multibillion dollar video game company put in a bunch of weird vanity content with Linda Carter (who is some Bethguy's wife, right).

I feel we're getting closer to the day that regular assholes can grasp that Bethesda is three midgets in a trenchcoat.

Zenimax CEO's wife.

 

[J_C]

Yeah, even mainstram youtubers like Angry Joe gave it a 5 or a 6 IIRC. It seems even the mainstream press are starting to get fed up with Bethesda's bullshit about these games. It is simply mind blowing that Bethesda is basicly making the same games since Oblivion, with the same level of quality, yet everybody gave them a free pass because "oh but there is that huge world and you can waste spend hundreds of hours with all that content." And the "but the radiant AI/quest is so revolutionary". Really? We are praising this radiant shit instead asking them why are they not making hand crafted, interesting missions instead of implementing a system which generates boring quests based upon some variables.

They are not even trying to improve the missions, writing, or even cinematics, they just concentrate on the huge ass world with lots of shit in it, and call it a day. I am not the fan of new GTA games, but at least Rockstar is clearly doing something to improve their games, not just say that bigger= better.

I hope it will bite them in the ass someday, and maybe F4 will be the start of that. On the other hand, who am I kidding, they probably sold enough millions so they can continue to do this.

 

[Bumvelcrow]

I read three chapters but I'm supposed to be at work so will read the rest later. Brofisted for the sacrifice even if the rest of the review turns out to be a late April Fool. Any review this long has to be worth reading.

 

[Roguey]

It is simply mind blowing that Bethesda is basicly making the same games since Oblivion, with the same level of quality,

Skyrim is better than Oblivion, e.g. it has a better implementation of level scaling and no counter-intuitive leveling.

 

[Thane Solus]

tl;dr

reported for brofist harvesting

Reported for reporting brofist harvesting



After Skyrim i wasnt even curious to watch a lets play or anything about Fallout 4, and judging by this awesome and detailed review i was correct. Probably when i saw the UI/Hud that was enough for me...

 

[Infinitron]

Star Citizen hates Fallout 4!

 

[J_C]

It is simply mind blowing that Bethesda is basicly making the same games since Oblivion, with the same level of quality,

Skyrim is better than Oblivion, e.g. it has a better implementation of level scaling and no counter-intuitive leveling.

And does it make it a better game? No, it is still boring.

 

[Roguey]

And does it make it a better game? No, it is still boring.

I would say yes since I refuse to play Oblivion and thought Skyrim was good enough to sink about 90 hours in. I documented my experiences in the Roguey vs the grognards thread.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-10#post-3489425
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-26#post-3514134
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-28#post-3526109
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-29#post-3528283
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-34#post-3553971
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-35#post-3574241
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-36#post-3585538
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-35#post-3561366
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-38#post-3721605
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...e-grognards-thread.94135/page-40#post-3887851

 

[Infinitron]

Bethesda seem to have a more solid grounding in the Elder Scrolls universe. They need a Michael Kirkbride-like figure to help them find a good direction to go with Fallout. This may be what Chris Avellone is aiming to do.

(in before terrible TES6)

 

[Paul_cz]

This review is on the legendary VD's Oblivion review level. Amazingly detailed and accurate (and hilarious). Really impressive job. I played FO4 for 140 hours and mostly on account of the decent shooting and nice world design, had fun. And yet can't help but agree with everything. FO4 is the worst mainline Fallout game by far, really terrible.