Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Review 1UP torpedoes NWN2 - 5/10

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Vault Dweller, Nov 3, 2006.

  1. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

    Volourn
    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2003
    Messages:
    22,521
    1. Where did I say it had a party?

    2. And, yes, 2 members does equate as a party. It may not be a nmormal sized party; but it's still a party.

    A D&D party is defined by a group of two or more adventurers joined together.

    Deal with that sucka!

    Have you had NWN2 babies yet!?!


    Enjoying the ph@t lewt - the same ph@t lewt you whined about for NWN1 - yet?


    R00fles!
     
    ^ Top  
  2. baelstren Educated Patron

    baelstren
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    New York
    Insert Title Here
    Presumably the occasional henchman and a familiar (not for all classes) constitute a "party."
     
    ^ Top  
  3. spacemoose Erudite

    spacemoose
    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    9,632
    Location:
    california
    ...in a world full of lying liars that tell lies, one man stands for truth and the bottom line

    this summer

    from the suburbs of Canada

    "The Roofler"

    starring Volourn Honorblade

    PERIOD, and thats a fact

    this film has not been rated
     
    ^ Top  
  4. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

    Volourn
    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2003
    Messages:
    22,521
    R00fles!
     
    ^ Top  
  5. Sol Invictus Erudite

    Sol Invictus
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,614
    Location:
    Pax Romana
    :lol:
     
    ^ Top  
  6. kris Arcane

    kris
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2004
    Messages:
    7,989
    Location:
    Lulea, Sweden
    I have to mirror Exitium on this one. NWN2 feels and plays much different from NWN1 and borrows many things from BG2 and KOTOR. While I can say several positives, I am a bit dissapointed how linear it have been thus far.
     
    ^ Top  
  7. Noceur Liturgist

    Noceur
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2006
    Messages:
    199
    Location:
    Tar Pits
    Bwehehe... it got pulled.

    Seems they got their balls together and saw what the fuck was going on. I've never seen a better example of "the wrong man for the wrong job" before.

    edit: messed up with the code.
     
    ^ Top  
  8. OccupatedVoid Arbiter

    OccupatedVoid
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    1,846
    Location:
    East Texas
    :lol:

    Excerpt from the script:
    Bob:BG is not dead!
    Volourn: LIAR! r00fles!!! *kills bob*
    Volourn: BG is dead! r00fles!
     
    ^ Top  
  9. suibhne Erudite

    suibhne
    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,951
    Location:
    Chicago
    That editor's account is worth reading. It doesn't go quite far enough, but I was actually pretty satisfied with it, and that's saying something.
     
    ^ Top  
  10. Limorkil Liturgist

    Limorkil
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    304
    The above comment from Jeff Green more or less sums it up correctly.

    I tend to agree with many of the comments made in the review, but they do not present a fair picture of the game. The way I understood the review was this : "Yet another cRPG game that focuses too much on stat numbers, levelling and monty haul uber lewt." That is a fair comment, but you could say the same about most cRPGs and still find other things to like about them.

    The odd thing is that with games like NWN/Kotor you can ignore almost all the rules and just play the game, which is an improvement over older games like the BG/IWD series where you really had to understand quite a lot of the stuff just to be able to make any progress without total frustration.

    I also don't agree with pulling the review because the reason given was that the review was one sided and focused on a dislike for a single (core) aspect of the game. If that is the criteria then you could probably pull all Oblivion reviews and probably most other mainstream RPG reviews. No one pulled an Oblivion review just because they gave it 10 out of 10 based on pretty graphics. To me, this sends the message that "If you dislike a game, you had better be very clear why, but if you are going to give it a high score you can say any old shit you like."

    Don't get me wrong, the review was total crap, but how come that only matters when the review is NEGATIVE.
     
    ^ Top  
  11. kris Arcane

    kris
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2004
    Messages:
    7,989
    Location:
    Lulea, Sweden
    They are full of crap. the real reason they pulled down the review was the fan reaction. almost everyone commenting on that review said it was crappy and they made a "review" of the review and decided it was maybe best to change it. Had none commented badly about it you can be assured they would not have pulled it since then they would see no reason too. Look at a Oblivion review and you will see most people agreeing with the one praising it, fact is that many like that game, regardless of what you and I think.
     
    ^ Top  
  12. Hazelnut Erudite

    Hazelnut
    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    1,490
    Location:
    UK
    ^ Top  
  13. Elwro Arcane

    Elwro
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    11,538
    Location:
    Krakow, Poland
    Divinity: Original Sin Wasteland 2
    ^ Top  
  14. kris Arcane

    kris
    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2004
    Messages:
    7,989
    Location:
    Lulea, Sweden
    The horror here is that the copy they posted for us to read first already had been reviewed and changed TWICE! I would like to see the first version...

    EDIT- He said it was a lose-lose situation, but I don't agree. I think they did the right thing and some assholes that say they are sellouts without knowing are hardly important.
     
    ^ Top  
  15. Surgey Scholar

    Surgey
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Messages:
    618
    Location:
    Unicorn Power!
    What if you hate MDK2, does that mean you hate Baldur's Gate? :P Also, NWN2 wasn't developed by Bio, was it?

    Agreed. KOTOR1 was okay, and KOTOR2 was recycled KOTOR1 with a worse story. Still, they were fairly enjoyable.

    True. I don't have a problem with 2-member parties in video games, but I absolutely refuse to play a pen-and-paper game with only 3 people (including the GM).
     
    ^ Top  
  16. TheGreatGodPan Arbiter

    TheGreatGodPan
    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,762
    I liked MDK2 but based on the demo for BG2, I don't think I'd like that.
     
    ^ Top  
  17. filogreek Scholar

    filogreek
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    Messages:
    114
    [​IMG]

    I noticed another penny-arcade comic earlier, dunno if it was this one though.
     
    ^ Top  
  18. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

    DarkUnderlord
    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    26,398
    Irrespective of whether the review was complete and utter crap or not, they shouldn't have pulled it down. Leave it up, bare the criticism and move on. It was an opinion given by a single reviewer. If it troubled them that much, have someone else write another one as a counter-point.
     
    ^ Top  
  19. Twinfalls Erudite

    Twinfalls
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    3,903
    This type of thinking causes mischief. Reviews are not mere 'opinions'. If they were, they'd be called as such. Reviewers have certain responsibilities they must discharge for their work to qualify as reviews. A 'review' must be objective in evaluating something against fixed criteria, irrespective of the author's personal feelings about the actual genre itself.

    The decline in understanding or applying this basic standard has led to the debasing of the word 'review' so that people now feel freely inclined to slap any stupid shit up onto the
    net and call themselves reviewers.

    They were right to pull this one, as it didn't qualify as a 'review' (it was shockingly badly written as well).

    The real travesty is that it's not done more often - with the gazillion 'reviews' which lavish stupid praise on games like Oblivion and Black and White, most of which are so much regurgitated press-release and hype cum-gargling.
     
    ^ Top  
  20. suibhne Erudite

    suibhne
    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,951
    Location:
    Chicago
    A more responsible way to do "game journalism" would be to post multiple reviews from multiple reviewers making their perspectives very plain. With that approach, this review would stand just fine as a complement to one or two others with more...correct viewpoints. :wink:
     
    ^ Top  
  21. Bradylama Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

    Bradylama
    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    23,410
    Location:
    Oklahomo
    That's a lot of overhead, though. Something like that would have to be a pet project of Rupert Murdoch or whoever the publishing moguls are.
     
    ^ Top  
  22. Zomg Arbiter

    Zomg
    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2005
    Messages:
    6,984
    I'd rather have a few "star" reviewers that stake out competing terms of criticism, with whom you can build a rapport. The current quality of criticism isn't enough to support that system, though - it's a waste to remember any of these guy's names, and a gross waste to try to figure out the "personality" of any particlar review mill.
     
    ^ Top  
  23. Claw Erudite Patron

    Claw
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    The center of my world.
    Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
    How insightful..

    ..maybe not.
     
    ^ Top  
  24. EEVIAC Erudite

    EEVIAC
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2003
    Messages:
    1,186
    Location:
    Bumfuck, Nowhere
    ZZAP64 used to have a different viewpoints from different writers in boxouts if I recall correctly. The only place I see it now is on RPGnet, but that just might be because they're not paying the writers. You shouldn't really have to post more than one viewpoint though. A good review should be able to be display critical analysis as well as "hype cum-gargling" as is warranted.
     
    ^ Top  
  25. suibhne Erudite

    suibhne
    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,951
    Location:
    Chicago
    EBGames' rag GameInformer always has a "second opinion" on their big reviews (which is to say, everything except their small capsule reviews). I don't think they make any effort to ensure they're distinct perspectives, but it's still nice to see two totally different reviewers adding different points and even disagreeing with each other.
     
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.