After 5 years of No Games, Sony leaks they'll announce PS5 Pro on September 10th (edit: Revealed. $700 and no disc drive. Come laugh at it.)

[911 Jumper]

Reading around tells me that the response is overwhelmingly negative. Even people who say they can comfortably afford it and hardcore PS enthusiasts are condemning the price and Sony's decision to omit the optical drive. Sony's really misjudged this, especially in regard to dumping the optical drive. Yes, you can buy one and attach it, but the optical drive not being available out the box will be interpreted as the loss of a significant feature.

Those detachable drives are going to be hoarded by scalpers. It's already unavailable at a bunch of retailers. This is also going to affect base PS5 Digital Edition owners who want to add an optical drive. Having the drive as a pack-in [with the Pro] would have avoided this.

I reckon Sony will end up having to do a temporary price cut on the Pro at some point in a year or so. Sony temporarily slashed the price of PSVR2 a few months ago (by £200 / $200). Probably be something similar for the Pro.

 

[deuxhero]

One thing that hasn't gotten enough attention in this shitshow is the mention that developers need to patch in support for this. It won't just run at a higher framerate by default.

 

[911 Jumper]

CNET Hands-On

 

[AlwaysBrotoMen]

No one cares Once sony/xbox releases "95" percentage metacritic games every body will start buying costly consoles

 

[Ezekiel]

CNET Hands-On

Sony puts a chair six feet from an 80 inch TV and STILL won't order curved panels.

 

[tritosine2k]

In a short while digitalfoundry will be down on all fours hailing this as definitive platform for years to come

with ARPG crowd begging for kb+m support because of stutter on pc lol.

 

[lycanwarrior]

Reading around tells me that the response is overwhelmingly negative. Even people who say they can comfortably afford it and hardcore PS enthusiasts are condemning the price and Sony's decision to omit the optical drive. Sony's really misjudged this, especially in regard to dumping the optical drive. Yes, you can buy one and attach it, but the optical drive not being available out the box will be interpreted as the loss of a significant feature.

Those detachable drives are going to be hoarded by scalpers. It's already unavailable at a bunch of retailers. This is also going to affect base PS5 Digital Edition owners who want to add an optical drive. Having the drive as a pack-in [with the Pro] would have avoided this.

I reckon Sony will end up having to do a temporary price cut on the Pro at some point in a year or so. Sony temporarily slashed the price of PSVR2 a few months ago (by £200 / $200). Probably be something similar for the Pro.

Maybe. Or they will do start doing what other tech companies in the consumer space like NVidia and Apple are already doing. Or other industries like autos, housing and even fast food (McDonalds) are doing.

They are going to start catering more and more towards upscale customers with lots of disposable income. Prioritizing profit margins instead of volume.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

No one cares Once sony/xbox releases "95" percentage metacritic games every body will start buying costly consoles

It has been five years, where's the games for PS5?
WHERE. GAME?

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/4wciNJDtRxxHrGzD/

ONE GAME, WITHOUT A DRIVE
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF YOU RAISE THE PRICE
KEEP IT IN MIND THAT THEY OPTIMIZE BY UPSCALING WITH AI
(AND THAT'S ALL THEY SHOWED)
FRAMES ARE A VALUABLE THING
WATCH EM GO DOWN AS THE CHARACTER SWINGS
WATCH THEM TRY HARD TO KEEP UP WITH PC
IT'S SO HARD TO SEE
(IT'S MADE IN UNREAL)
DIDN'T LOOK OUT BELOW
THREW THE CONSOLE STAND RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW
THIRTY DOLLARS MORE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
I WASTED IT ALL JUST TO PLAY IN 4K
I SPENT ALL MY TIME INSIDE
NOW THE PRICES ARE ALL HIKED, ALL I SEE ARE PORTS
JUST LIKE THE PS3, IT'S REMINDING ME, OF A MEMORY, OF A TIME WHEN
I CRIED SO HARD, FOR NEXT GEN GAMES
BUT IN THE END, IT'S ALL JUST THE SAME
I PAID SO MUCH, PLAYED CONCORD'S LAUNCH
BUT IN THE END, IT'S JUST GOT NO GAMES

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

I’m not sure they to a price cut on the Pro, but they probably do bundle it with some games starting in November for the Christmas buying season.

If they were going to do price cuts, given the November 7th release, they would’ve probably just have announced it at a lower price and avoided any negative reaction. I mean it’s going out the 7th, if price cuts were going to happen they’d probably be starting 22 days later on the 29th for Black Friday. If you released it at normal price and than announced shortly after that in three weeks you’ll be able to get it for less, that’s just gonna piss off the consumer base that bought in slightly earlier.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Reading around tells me that the response is overwhelmingly negative. Even people who say they can comfortably afford it and hardcore PS enthusiasts are condemning the price and Sony's decision to omit the optical drive. Sony's really misjudged this, especially in regard to dumping the optical drive. Yes, you can buy one and attach it, but the optical drive not being available out the box will be interpreted as the loss of a significant feature.

Those detachable drives are going to be hoarded by scalpers. It's already unavailable at a bunch of retailers. This is also going to affect base PS5 Digital Edition owners who want to add an optical drive. Having the drive as a pack-in [with the Pro] would have avoided this.

I reckon Sony will end up having to do a temporary price cut on the Pro at some point in a year or so. Sony temporarily slashed the price of PSVR2 a few months ago (by £200 / $200). Probably be something similar for the Pro.

Maybe. Or they will do start doing what other tech companies in the consumer space like NVidia and Apple are already doing. Or other industries like autos, housing and even fast food (McDonalds) are doing.

They are going to start catering more and more towards upscale customers with lots of disposable income. Prioritizing profit margins instead of volume.

As is, this would be a very stupid move for Sony. If the idea was to cater to whales and to more upscale customers, then the question becomes: Why would they get the newest PlayStation as opposed to the best PC they can get on the market? You could say the convenience a console offers, but I’m not sure how much that’d matter to that particular customer. Also, going that direction would kill their overall user base, and if their overall numbers took a hit then PlayStation would stop being the target system for publishers; it’d be the PS3 era for Sony all over again but worse.

I think the future of gaming is basically the total opposite of catering towards a more upscale consumer. It’s going to be a return to something like the arcade days by way of free-to-play. It’s not going to be getting a small amount of people to give you lots of money, it’s going to be getting a huge amount of people to give you a little bit of money a lot. Look at something like Fortnite, game has 650 million registered user, I think with most of these big F2P games you’ve got something where the vast majority of the user base doesn’t spend any money, you got some number that’s under 50% that buy things sometimes but not that often, and then you’ve got like less than 1% that spend money like crazy. But you could have things set up at the right price where the majority of those 650 million users are spending money. Like to me it’s kind of crazy what F2P games price their skins at, when the video game industry had the arcade business, and a number of arcade games made billions by getting people to put 25¢ into an arcade cabinet. You can make more money getting 325 million people to give you something like fifty cents a skin than you can 1% of 650 million people to give you twenty dollars for the same thing...and these are digital goods, so it’s not like theirs some value lose with the cheaper thing because they have to manufacture more of them. That and gaming services like Xbox Game Pass are the future, and the gaming services are still basically the same principle; getting people to give you a little bit of money over time instead of maybe a handful of purchases in a year.

 

[deuxhero]

( edit: the article itself https://archive.ph/QlEir )

 

[cruel]

You can build a decent PC for that money if you shop around. But Sony know their audience, goyim will gladly pay to play tranny walking simulators at 4k 60fps with slightly increased draw distances.

This is... overly optimistic, unless we stretch the term 'decent'. Black Myth: Wukong for example doesn't get consistent 60 fps on RTX 3080 nowadays, and this card itself goes for $350 - $400 used. RX 6700 XT is worse than that, so it's still a far journey from comfortable playing in 1440p.

Having said that - buying PS5 Pro with no disc drive for $700 would be retarded, of course.

 

[lvl 2 Blue Slime]

Sonyggers will buy it just to replay the 10th remake of Last of Us

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

I bought a PS5 a couple of years ago on a whim. I've barely used it. I can't imagine buying another console at this point, sure as hell not at that price or anywhere near it.

 

[Just Locus]

Yes, you can buy one and attach it, but the optical drive not being available out the box will be interpreted as the loss of a significant feature. [...]

It IS a loss of a significant feature, 90% of my PS3 library is sitting on a shelf on my desk that I can insert into the console and play without a hitch. Imagine if all PC manufacturers had WiFi and Bluetooth adapters mandatory if you want to have wireless and Bluetooth access, yeah it wouldn't be the total death, but you're still stripping things away in favor of greed. Sony is already cutting corners due to investing so much in Concord (We all know where that went) and Helldivers has lost all goodwill due to both companies' incompetence.

Most people buy a Playstation for the exclusives, that's why Sony always gives developers incentives to either release full-on exclusive games or exclusive content on their console and ONLY PlayStation fans like this. And Sony has proven that without exclusives, there's no reason to purchase their console.

Setting aside the whole "Console Wars" bullshit, if you decide to get an Xbox Series X, not only do you get a great deal with Game Pass (even on PC though the Xbox App is completely awful), but you get to have 3-generations of consoles' worth of games through backwards compatibility on 60 FPS and 4K resolution. If you're getting a console purely for the "Plug & Play" aspect which is all a console is good for anyways, Xbox is the better choice even if you don't like what Game Pass offers.

 

[deuxhero]

You can build a decent PC for that money if you shop around. But Sony know their audience, goyim will gladly pay to play tranny walking simulators at 4k 60fps with slightly increased draw distances.

This is... overly optimistic, unless we stretch the term 'decent'. Black Myth: Wukong for example doesn't get consistent 60 fps on RTX 3080 nowadays, and this card itself goes for $350 - $400 used. RX 6700 XT is worse than that, so it's still a far journey from comfortable playing in 1440p.

Having said that - buying PS5 Pro with no disc drive for $700 would be retarded, of course.

That's UE5 being UE5. As long as it beats PS5 Pro (which, again, we can directly compare with most titles because Sony put everything on PC) it's better. Once you add the stand (remember the base PS5 is already bigger than a PC in footprint if not vertical and pro is bigger) and disc drive you're comfortably into the 800s where you're getting PC parts that can beat it.

 

[ferratilis]

This is... overly optimistic, unless we stretch the term 'decent'. Black Myth: Wukong for example doesn't get consistent 60 fps on RTX 3080 nowadays, and this card itself goes for $350 - $400 used. RX 6700 XT is worse than that, so it's still a far journey from comfortable playing in 1440p.

Think of all the money you would save by not having to pay for PS Plus, it adds up to a nice sum that could be used to pay for a better GPU. But I still think 3080 or 6700 would be enough to game for some time yet. Also, Black Myth is not really a good example since, based on what I've seen of it, it's not a very well optimized game. My point is that PC gives you such a wide variety of games, at low prices, that it beats whatever upfront value the console seems to provide.

 

[tritosine2k]

( edit: the article itself https://archive.ph/QlEir )

30 fps from braindead devs that can't even guarantee stutterfree on console

will be easy port for braindead pc crowd busy with "stutter fix" clickbait videos they slurp up at a moment's notice

 

[Ezekiel]

This is... overly optimistic, unless we stretch the term 'decent'. Black Myth: Wukong for example doesn't get consistent 60 fps on RTX 3080 nowadays, and this card itself goes for $350 - $400 used. RX 6700 XT is worse than that, so it's still a far journey from comfortable playing in 1440p.

Think of all the money you would save by not having to pay for PS Plus, it adds up to a nice sum that could be used to pay for a better GPU. But I still think 3080 or 6700 would be enough to game for some time yet. Also, Black Myth is not really a good example since, based on what I've seen of it, it's not a very well optimized game. My point is that PC gives you such a wide variety of games, at low prices, that it beats whatever upfront value the console seems to provide.

The only multiplayer I played on my PS3 and PS4 were Metal Gear Online for the PS2 (Was easier to connect than with the PS2 my mother threw and broke.), some Metal Gear Online from MGS4 (They didn't make the maps free until really late, and it wasn't much longer before the system died on me.), Call of Duty 4 in 2008, the original Demon's Souls, first Dark Souls and some Uncharted 2. (Was already bored of invasions and cooperation by the time I played Bloodborne, so I did not get a subscription for it.) Mostly third party, whose exclusivity they lost in the PS3 era. You can factor in the cost of PS Plus, but Sony was always so lousy at delivering fun multiplayer exclusive to their platform that it just doesn't make sense to me to buy one of their consoles for anything but single player. And they don't make good single players games anymore either.

Edit: Just realized I said "played on my PS3 and PS4" without actually mentioning any PS4 games. I never subbed, except the free trial, when I tried Uncharted 4, which I didn't like. Never felt like I missed out on multiplayer.

 

[cruel]

This is... overly optimistic, unless we stretch the term 'decent'. Black Myth: Wukong for example doesn't get consistent 60 fps on RTX 3080 nowadays, and this card itself goes for $350 - $400 used. RX 6700 XT is worse than that, so it's still a far journey from comfortable playing in 1440p.

Think of all the money you would save by not having to pay for PS Plus, it adds up to a nice sum that could be used to pay for a better GPU. But I still think 3080 or 6700 would be enough to game for some time yet. Also, Black Myth is not really a good example since, based on what I've seen of it, it's not a very well optimized game. My point is that PC gives you such a wide variety of games, at low prices, that it beats whatever upfront value the console seems to provide.

That is true. I personally don't use PS Plus for more than 1 year now though, no reason to if you don't play multi. On the other hand - you can recoup half of your gaming costs by selling physical games at Gamestop after you finish them - most $60 / $70 games can be sold for $30 - $40 after you're done with them. But, even owning PS4 Pro and PS5, I still prefer to buy games on Steam whenever possible.

When PS4 was as it's peak, the console worth was clear and evident: Bloodborne, Nioh, Nioh 2, Persona 5, GoW, GoT, FF7R, 13 Sentinels, TloU, Uncharted, Horizon and few others. Right now though, with 90% of the games being ported to PC, no strong reason to own PS5.

 

[ferratilis]

Speaking of Bloodborne, we'll probably play that on PC at stable 60fps within a year, maybe even sooner considering how much progress guys behind shadPS4 are making. Console players will have to wait for the Bluepoint remake when PS6 comes out, and that will be an inferior version.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Significant discount from trading in your old PS5 is the only thing that makes this viable. Even then why would I want to get rid of my PS5 Slim with a disc drive for a discless POS?

 

[cruel]

Speaking of Bloodborne, we'll probably play that on PC at stable 60fps within a year, maybe even sooner considering how much progress guys behind shadPS4 are making. Console players will have to wait for the Bluepoint remake when PS6 comes out, and that will be an inferior version.

Yes, that is extremely prestigious, waiting fucking 10 years to play one of the best Souls games created. If someone really likes Souls games and didn't play Bloodborne since the game was released in freaking March of 2015, there is only one excuse: being poor. The total cost of getting an used PS4 for cheap, playing through Bloodborne and selling PS4 after it's equal to bag of potatoes and a bottle of vodka. Achievable even in Potato countries. But for some reason people prefer to spend their energy asking for PC port every year, for the last 10 years dammit.

 

[Ravielsk]

Significant discount from trading in your old PS5 is the only thing that makes this viable. Even then why would I want to get rid of my PS5 Slim with a disc drive for a discless POS?

The drive itself is a bizarre omission as it essentially makes the Pro a straight downgrade from the base PS5. Without it you cannot take advantage the PS5's backwards compatibility with the PS4 library and if you have any DVDs/Blurays those are now also out of the question. The average Fifa slave might not care about that but then again the average Fifa slave does not really care about the Pro either.

Even the PS4 Pro was more an enthusiast refresh and was quickly superseded by the PS4 Slim(which has the same internals as base PS4). So really this is a refresh aimed at enthusiast without really providing them with any real value but with a major downside.