Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

[Alex]

“Freedom of Speech” is about being able to say things without fear of government persecution.

Another retard who thinks burgerlandia's 1st amendment equals "freedom of speech". Where do you peopl keep coming from? It really is astounding.

The idea that anyone’s freedom anywhere has anything to do with being able to say whatever one wants on someone else’s platform is inherently retarded.

Yes, but only because all popular formulations of the idea of "freedom" since the french revolution have been retarded.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

 

[Ehrenmann]

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

At this point, nuking the forum would be a better alternative than becoming some neutered sjw safe place.

I have to agree, sadly. I think there are still other options, but if it comes down to it...

Codex is literally the last woke-free place in the web. We are not woke, we are sleeping and having a beautiful dream about what is RPG.

RPG is African American!

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Then shut up, faggot. If you don't want freedom, stop trying to use it. Let us know how it works out.

 

[Saduj]

“Freedom of Speech” is about being able to say things without fear of government persecution.

Another retard who thinks burgerlandia's 1st amendment equals "freedom of speech". Where do you peopl keep coming from? It really is astounding.

The idea that anyone’s freedom anywhere has anything to do with being able to say whatever one wants on someone else’s platform is inherently retarded.

The government decides who can have a platform to begin with.

You are still missing the point.

Which government? Where I am there is nothing other than the cost stopping anyone from putting up a forum site.

 

[Ranselknulf]

“Freedom of Speech” is about being able to say things without fear of government persecution.

Another retard who thinks burgerlandia's 1st amendment equals "freedom of speech". Where do you peopl keep coming from? It really is astounding.

The idea that anyone’s freedom anywhere has anything to do with being able to say whatever one wants on someone else’s platform is inherently retarded.

The government decides who can have a platform to begin with.

You are still missing the point.

Which government? Where I am there is nothing other than the cost stopping anyone from putting up a forum site.

I'll say it again.

a) The corporations are the government.
b) Laws are set on how data transfer and other shit takes place internationally, even if your local country has no specific laws on how a website operates. I mean, unless you live in africa, which i find unlikely, but even then Africa has been modernizing its legal apparatus of late.

Your post is just a variation of the "just build your own X" where X is a fill in the blank.

I have no problem building my own internet, payment processors, banks, servers, internet, and websites. The issue comes with government regulation, which I'm sure even your country has some form or another of the aforementioned things that go into the "build your own website" pea-brained comment you've responded with.

 

[Alex]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Yes, but that is not the traditional concept of freedom. The traditional one is that, putting it simply, people are not unduly stopped from doing things that are good or needed for their own lives. Stopping people from committing blasphemy is just, because blasphemy is an evil. On the other hand, stopping people from speaking out against SJW dogma is taking away real freedom.

 

[Saduj]

“Freedom of Speech” is about being able to say things without fear of government persecution.

Another retard who thinks burgerlandia's 1st amendment equals "freedom of speech". Where do you peopl keep coming from? It really is astounding.

The idea that anyone’s freedom anywhere has anything to do with being able to say whatever one wants on someone else’s platform is inherently retarded.

The government decides who can have a platform to begin with.

You are still missing the point.

Which government? Where I am there is nothing other than the cost stopping anyone from putting up a forum site.

I'll say it again.

a) The corporations are the government.
b) Laws are set on how data transfer and other shit takes place internationally, even if your local country has no specific laws on how a website operates. I mean, unless you live in africa, which i find unlikely, but even then Africa has been modernizing its legal apparatus of late.

Your post is just a variation of the "just build your own X" where X is a fill in the blank.

I have no problem building my own internet, payment processors, banks, servers, internet, and websites. The issue comes with government regulation, which I'm sure even your country has some form or another of the aforementioned things that go into the "build your own website" pea-brained comment you've responded with.

I never said “build your own website”. Amazingly stupid lie to tell considering anyone who gives a shit can very easily check. Did you think you could fool me re: what I’ve said?

The point I’ve repeatedly made is this: The idea that if I built a website, YOUR freedom is somehow tied to being able to do whatever the hell you want on my site is inherently retarded.

And in the context of this thread pertaining to this site, that is all that really matters.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Yes, but that is not the traditional concept of freedom. The traditional one is that, putting it simply, people are not unduly stopped from doing things that are good or needed for their own lives. Stopping people from committing blasphemy is just, because blasphemy is an evil. On the other hand, stopping people from speaking out against SJW dogma is taking away real freedom.

You do realize that SJW dogma is the state religion and they're trying to prevent you from blaspheming it, right?

 

[Alex]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Yes, but that is not the traditional concept of freedom. The traditional one is that, putting it simply, people are not unduly stopped from doing things that are good or needed for their own lives. Stopping people from committing blasphemy is just, because blasphemy is an evil. On the other hand, stopping people from speaking out against SJW dogma is taking away real freedom.

You do realize that SJW dogma is the state religion and they're trying to prevent you from blaspheming it, right?

I am talking about real blasphemy.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The point I’ve repeatedly made is this: The idea that if I built a website, YOUR freedom is somehow tied to being able to do whatever the hell you want on my site is inherently retarded.

Except, in this case, the site owner wants you to do whatever you want. It's the government that doesn't.

"Corporations can do whatever they want." seems to be the favorite argument of the ones using government power to force corporations to limit what you can do and say online.

 

[Ranselknulf]

“Freedom of Speech” is about being able to say things without fear of government persecution.

Another retard who thinks burgerlandia's 1st amendment equals "freedom of speech". Where do you peopl keep coming from? It really is astounding.

The idea that anyone’s freedom anywhere has anything to do with being able to say whatever one wants on someone else’s platform is inherently retarded.

The government decides who can have a platform to begin with.

You are still missing the point.

Which government? Where I am there is nothing other than the cost stopping anyone from putting up a forum site.

I'll say it again.

a) The corporations are the government.
b) Laws are set on how data transfer and other shit takes place internationally, even if your local country has no specific laws on how a website operates. I mean, unless you live in africa, which i find unlikely, but even then Africa has been modernizing its legal apparatus of late.

Your post is just a variation of the "just build your own X" where X is a fill in the blank.

I have no problem building my own internet, payment processors, banks, servers, internet, and websites. The issue comes with government regulation, which I'm sure even your country has some form or another of the aforementioned things that go into the "build your own website" pea-brained comment you've responded with.

I never said “build your own website”. Amazingly stupid lie to tell considering anyone who gives a shit can very easily check. Did you think you could fool me re: what I’ve said?

The point I’ve repeatedly made is this: The idea that if I built a website, YOUR freedom is somehow tied to being able to do whatever the hell you want on my site is inherently retarded.

And in the context of this thread pertaining to this site, that is all that really matters.

Not a very interesting use of debate tactics, but I'll highlight what I said because maybe there is a language barrier here.

Your post is just a variation of the "just build your own X" where X is a fill in the blank.

The thrust of your post was that someone/you could just set up another website.

I've explained how the laws are written and set to force a website into compliance with the woke nonsense.

If your entire point of posting here is to discuss a "my website, my rules" topic, well I think you are missing the point of this thread.

Nobody disputes that. I think you are missing the context of this thread.

The context of this thread is how the RPGCodex should respond to the increasingly fascist nature of internet regulatory compliance. The "my website, my rules" goes without a doubt and nobody is trying to force DU to do any shit he doesn't want too.

I guess this is your version of a "strawman" by claiming something nobody is disputing and trying to make it appear I was arguing against it?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Yes, but that is not the traditional concept of freedom. The traditional one is that, putting it simply, people are not unduly stopped from doing things that are good or needed for their own lives. Stopping people from committing blasphemy is just, because blasphemy is an evil. On the other hand, stopping people from speaking out against SJW dogma is taking away real freedom.

You do realize that SJW dogma is the state religion and they're trying to prevent you from blaspheming it, right?

I am talking about real blasphemy.

Like saying the Earth is round? (Galileo.) Or whatever the Quakers did that justified their hangings, as happened in the early days of America?

Advocating state authoritarianism when you don't control the state is retarded. Liberals understood this, but conservatives can't seem to wrap their heads around it.

Unless your particular sect wields power, you're probably going to get hurt by it. And even if you do have the power, there's no guarantee your brand of authoritarianism will be correct.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Then shut up, faggot. If you don't want freedom, stop trying to use it. Let us know how it works out.

I'm pretty sure I have a great deal more freedom in my life than you, like freedom from total obsession, or all consuming hate that will eventually give you butt cancer. But you don't get anything I say anyway do you.

YEAH, I DONT WANT FREEDOML!! HAIL COVID HAIL ILLUMNATI I'M SO THANKFUL THEY VAX'D ME AND I GET MY THOUGHTS FROM THE MOTHER INTELLIGENCE.

stupid asshole

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

YEAH, I DONT WANT FREEDOM. HAIL COVID HAIL ILLUMNATI I'M SO THANKFUL THEY VAX'D ME AND I GET MY THOUGHTS FROM THE MOTHER INTELLIGENCE.

Are you implying that none of this is actually true?

 

[Burning Bridges]

The government decides who can have a platform to begin with.

*racial slur* please?

 

[Alex]

(...snip)

Like saying the Earth is round? (Galileo.)

Or whatever the Quakers did that justified their hangings, as happened in the early days of America?

What do I care about what protestants did? I keep telling you, I am talking about real blasphemy.

Advocating state authoritarianism when you don't control the state is retarded.

It is not about "authoritarianism", whatever that might mean. It is about not buying into the idea of liberalism. I don't believe in the idea of defending someone's right to say anything despite what it is. From this it doesn't follow that all communication should or must be watched, but it does mean that people who try to get others to, say, put their kids in hormone therapy because they might have said they thought a doll was nice can and should be put in jail.

And, at any rate, you seem to miss the point because I used a religious example. The argument I was making needs not to be religious. Even something based on natural law rather than simply "freedom of speech" would be a lot better than what we have now.

Liberals understood this, but conservatives can't seem to wrap their heads around it.

Again, .

Unless your particular sect wields power, you're probably going to get hurt by it. And even if you do have the power, there's no guarantee your brand of authoritarianism will be correct.

Authority exists to be used for what is good. Refusing to do so is just letting people use the same for evil.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

You have no actual response, so you post a meme.

What do I care about what protestants did? I keep telling you, I am talking about real blasphemy.

Like praying to the dead and worshiping idols? Oops.

It is not about "authoritarianism", whatever that might mean. It is about not buying into the idea of liberalism. I don't believe in the idea of defending someone's right to say anything despite what it is. From this it doesn't follow that all communication should or must be watched, but it does mean that people who try to get others to, say, put their kids in hormone therapy because they might have said they thought a doll was nice can and should be put in jail.

Except they won't because you aren't in charge. That's the part you're missing.

It's more likely that YOU will be put in jail for disagreeing with them the way things are going. But keep advocating censorship. See where it gets you.

Again, .

Still not an argument.

Authority exists to be used for what is good. Refusing to do so is just letting people use the same for evil.

There's a difference between letting someone say something and letting someone do something, even in the fantasy world where people get thrown in jail for blasphemy, which hasn't existed in your lifetime or mine.

People used to understand this. Then again, people used to be able to talk without posting a meme and thinking they've won the argument.

 

[Roguey]

(except your proposal goes even farther than RPG Watch with a complete disregard for privacy)

I'd say there's a difference between my suggestion and

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[Generic-Giant-Spider]

ROGUEY CUT THE BULLSHIT

DO YOU WANT A PICTURE OF OUR COCKS OR NOT

ALL THIS BEATING AROUND THE BUSH TEASING

SHIT

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I'd say there's a difference between my suggestion and

The difference is that you're talking about profiling users and collecting their dox for potential blackmail.

The RPGWatch rules are more open about their censorship. Whereas you are just creating a hitlist and keeping it all behind the scenes.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The entire concept of freedom is retarded. Nothing is free of consequences, not even death.

Then shut up, faggot. If you don't want freedom, stop trying to use it. Let us know how it works out.

I'm pretty sure I have a great deal more freedom in my life than you, like freedom from total obsession, or all consuming hate that will eventually give you butt cancer. But you don't get anything I say anyway do you.

YEAH, I DONT WANT FREEDOML!! HAIL COVID HAIL ILLUMNATI I'M SO THANKFUL THEY VAX'D ME AND I GET MY THOUGHTS FROM THE MOTHER INTELLIGENCE.

stupid asshole

The eternal germ.

 

[Burning Bridges]

but ..

"You are an idiot", is not allowed
"I don't like you", is allowed

What about "I don't like idiots"

?

 

[Ranselknulf]

Passive aggression is why society becomes weak.