2024 release date and still not in alpha (and after five years no less)? We may be seeing the return of Bugsidian.
For sure. There are definitely a lot of idiots on this forum that don't realize how risky it can be for a developer to interact with this forum with all the no-no words that are thrown around willy nilly as well as some of the ideas expressed here, both genuinely as well as ironically/for comedy. I always try to censor myself a bit when I see someone like that posting because I want more developers to come by here because I see the potential for us to influence the genre and industry positively, even if in only a minor way. Sadly, most people here don't seem to realize the dynamics at play or are too edgy/unempathic to bother.
Just take a look, we are arguing whether Obsidian's PR is dancing at the edge of the razorblade of deceptive marketing for multiple projects in a row, or beyond the edge.
Genuine conversation I had with a "certain significant other" person:
- What trailer is this?
- That's Avowed, Obsidian's own Skyrim, set in their own IP.
- Oh.., it's in the PIllars universe... But why is it first person?
- Well, they've decided to target a more mainstream audience.
- But Pillars was isometric, then Deadfire was isometric, and now this is first person... why?
- Deadfire didn't sell that well.
- But the reason for Deadfire not selling well was Pillars, not the fact it was isometric!
- Yeah, but Obsidian have instead taken it as a sign that they have to make the next game first person and this will fix sales numbers.
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On previous projects Alpha periods were sometimes just a few months long. This is actually the longest we'll have for Alpha/Beta period for any game at Obsidian by a longshot, and is good news.
Um....
There is actually straight up no chance of any sane developer interacting with this community. It is so toxic no one could touch it with a 10 foot pole on official terms. Anything from extreme misogyny to full fledged nazis lmao but I personally don't care and see value in the other side of the community (the unadulterated feedback, legit care about the genre Obsidian is working in). The fact one of the cofounders of Obsidian saw that value as well tells you something also.
I hope your most pretigious boss that never did anything wrong, Urquhart doesn't fire you..
Yeah, I can't imagine an isometric RPG selling well. Deadfire is better than POE1 (IMO), and the reason POE1 sold well is because there was a lot of hype about infinity engine games returning, and the kickstarter itself being on the news everywhere. There were even celebrities playing it on Twitch. And suddenly everyone had their fill once POE came out (also IMO). Codex says POE was nowhere close to infinity engine games quality (writing, combat), sure, maybe true enough. If Avowed sells < 300k copies though this comment will age like milk and I'll have to eat a shoe.Just take a look, we are arguing whether Obsidian's PR is dancing at the edge of the razorblade of deceptive marketing for multiple projects in a row, or beyond the edge.
Genuine conversation I had with a "certain significant other" person:
- What trailer is this?
- That's Avowed, Obsidian's own Skyrim, set in their own IP.
- Oh.., it's in the PIllars universe... But why is it first person?
- Well, they've decided to target a more mainstream audience.
- But Pillars was isometric, then Deadfire was isometric, and now this is first person... why?
- Deadfire didn't sell that well.
- But the reason for Deadfire not selling well was Pillars, not the fact it was isometric!
- Yeah, but Obsidian have instead taken it as a sign that they have to make the next game first person and this will fix sales numbers.
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No noeed to lie to yourself, isometric rpg never sells well. it has become a niche genre for almost 20 years now.
IDK , Pathfinder and Divinity sold pretty well. Of course , Owlcat is not as big as Obsidian and DOS2 was a outliner, but still. There's a market for it.Yeah, I can't imagine an isometric RPG selling well. Deadfire is better than POE1 in every single way (IMO), and the reason POE1 sold well is because there was a lot of hype about infinity engine games returning, and the kickstarter itself being on the news everywhere. There were even celebrities playing it on Twitch. And suddenly everyone had their fill once POE came out (also IMO). Codex says POE was nowhere close to infinity engine games quality (writing, combat), sure, maybe true enough. If Avowed sells < 300k copies though this comment will age like milk and I'll have to eat a shoe.Just take a look, we are arguing whether Obsidian's PR is dancing at the edge of the razorblade of deceptive marketing for multiple projects in a row, or beyond the edge.
Genuine conversation I had with a "certain significant other" person:
- What trailer is this?
- That's Avowed, Obsidian's own Skyrim, set in their own IP.
- Oh.., it's in the PIllars universe... But why is it first person?
- Well, they've decided to target a more mainstream audience.
- But Pillars was isometric, then Deadfire was isometric, and now this is first person... why?
- Deadfire didn't sell that well.
- But the reason for Deadfire not selling well was Pillars, not the fact it was isometric!
- Yeah, but Obsidian have instead taken it as a sign that they have to make the next game first person and this will fix sales numbers.
-
No noeed to lie to yourself, isometric rpg never sells well. it has become a niche genre for almost 20 years now.
That's the right kind of attitude for actually making things better imo, although of course in development, change like that needs to often come from the top. Some of the complaints here are just people bitching, which is par for the course with any open discussion environment, but I think there's a lot of truth in the negativity too. Not engaging with anyone other than braindead game journos or the echo chamber of diehard fans is why everything is stagnant shit. Anyway, glad you're here, and don't get fired yet. Also kudos for using your name... being connected to the codex at a professional level is, as you said, pretty damn dicey, which is why so few of us do it.I may be the only Obsidianite who comes here (other than Avellone, lol), though maybe others lurk. But I like how insanely critical you guys are. It's all valid criticism, from people who take this shit seriously, IMO. It's just so hard to interact with any community by a dev, like I don't know if tomorrow there will be screenshots of these posts and I'll be fired, but whatever. What's the point of making games if you can't have fun, this shit gets too intense sometimes as it is. Keep at it
This isn't your field of expertise and I know you can't do anything with this information, nor does it probably matter to you, but see this post about why Deadfire sold very poorly.
The reason there was no hype and coverage was being of reason B. Just some food for thought.
Pathfinder and Divinity were both full 3d though, maybe more accessible? Yea you're right though, if game is fun enough shouldn't matter. Divinity eclipsed POE's by an insane margin of sales.
if obs have some soul left it was in PoE1&2; instead of moving that team into the 3D sequel/their flagship title its divided between Grounded & Pentiment and this is the result lol
Can you tell if there will be stealth mechanics in gameplay? Can you make dual wield rogue?
Bear looks quite realistic but xaurip is too cartoony. It would be better to have horiffic design of characters for more tension and immersion.
They confirmed Dual Wield already. Nothing about stealth tho
Not sure about the stealth but they showed in the trailer you can dual wield axes and pistol.
We have an 80-page thread here about why Deadfire failed commercially.
