Eternity Avowed - Obsidian's first person action-RPG in the Pillars of Eternity setting - coming February 18th

[Butter]

You have to be asleep (understandable affliction when playing Pillars) to miss every faction being a variation of "incompetent man vs much more competent wombyn".

 

[Vulpes]

It's been years since I played Shittard of Eternity 2, but I'm pretty sure the good ending for the blackwashed Venetian faction required you to side with the ambitious visionary instead of the cutthroat businesswoman.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You have to be asleep (understandable affliction when playing Pillars) to miss every faction being a variation of "incompetent man vs much more competent wombyn".

That only really applies to the natives and the Vailians. Meanwhile the RDC, while female-led, has an equally competent subordinate (and you don't get to pick and choose one over the other) while the Principi are led by a competent guy and he's the better choice for the faction compared to the shortsighted strong womyn pirate. I do agree that it would've been better for the trope not to be present at all though.

It's been years since I played Shittard of Eternity 2, but I'm pretty sure the good ending for the blackwashed Venetian faction required you to side with the ambitious visionary instead of the cutthroat businesswoman.

Might be the case. Never played with that faction since I find them the least likeable.

 

[Roguey]

I avoided recruiting all the companions that felt obnoxiously woke at first sight (like that furry gnome thing they REALLY wanted you to add to your party early on).

Same, but I kept Xoti because she was useful in combat.

Literally in the intro video they disclose the whole story (you will go to place X to deal with god Z), and then there are no mysteries, no questions, no turns of events through the whole game.

Eh, that's not true. Eothas's motivations and ultimate goal are unknown at first. The gods task you with finding him and asking what he's doing. Then it changes to the impossible goal of stopping him.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I liked Maia and both Eder and Pallegina were ok from the returning cast. Xoti was meh, Tekehu and the pirate were cringe. Aloth as a character was ok, but his companion quest was cringe.

 

[Tyranicon]

People have been saying for so long "it's better than POE trust me frfr" that I should probably just play it at this point.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

It's ok tbh.

 

[Gargaune]

Literally in the intro video they disclose the whole story (you will go to place X to deal with god Z), and then there are no mysteries, no questions, no turns of events through the whole game.

Eh, that's not true. Eothas's motivations and ultimate goal are unknown at first. The gods task you with finding him and asking what he's doing. Then it changes to the impossible goal of stopping him.

təmeɪtoʊ/təmɑːtoʊ

PoE2's main plot is an exercise in futility, the PC plays no active part in it and achieves nothing by the end, not on account of failing but - as you pointed out - due to it being an impossibility all along. The PC and their involvement are altogether irrelevant and, for an RPG, this is objectively atrocious and a complete failure of narrative design.

 

[S.torch]

PoE 2 is way worse than PoE 1. Is not even a competition. The tiny remains of soul that PoE 1 had were completely purged. No Durance, No Grieving Mother, no melancholic aura. Just reddit tier writing and "everyone is an asshole we're so deep bro fr fr no cap".

 

[Roguey]

PoE2's main plot is an exercise in futility, the PC plays no active part in it and achieves nothing by the end, not on account of failing but - as you pointed out - due to it being an impossibility all along. The PC and their involvement are altogether irrelevant and, for an RPG, this is objectively atrocious and a complete failure of narrative design.

"Nothing matters," - Josh Sawyer

 

[Gargaune]

"Nothing matters," - Josh Sawyer

We have Linkin Park at home, Josh.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I think that the god plot was dumb, but the exploration and factions were better in Deadfire.

 

[Orange Clock]

Why though? Why are they trying to hide that? Pillars 2 and Outer Worlds were already woke as hell almost on the same level of degeneracy as BG3. Everyone knows that nuObsidian got nothing to do with old based Obsidian and is just another company that makes slop for "gaypass modern audience".

What “old based” obsidian are you talking about? Was it the one who put a first gay marriage in a game? The one who pushed all this crap about force being evil? Maybe the one who gave you 8 companions of which two were gays, one was a tranny-granny mutant and another an alcoholic whore? Or was it a dark fantasy Bronze Age setting where “EVIL” had won?

 

[scytheavatar]

https://remapradio.com/articles/avowed-preview-xbox/?ref=remap-newsletter

Over the past few days, I’ve had the opportunity to explore the opening hours of Avowed, the upcoming fantasy RPG from Obsidian Entertainment, a developer best known for 2010’s Fallout: New Vegas and its series of excellent turn-based RPGs in the Pillars of Eternity universe. Avowed arrives early next year on Xbox and PC, and despite the existence of Fallout: New Vegas, this one more closely follows in the footsteps of 2019’s The Outer Worlds, a modest open world-ish sci-fi RPG that punched above its weight largely due to excellent writing.

Microsoft told me playing through the opening area of Avowed would take about two hours, but taking my time and poking about, my time in the Living Lands was closer to four or five hours. I talk extensively about my time with Avowed on this week’s Remap Radio, but that publishes tomorrow, and in the meantime, I wanted to jot down a couple of quick thoughts with the game.

• Reset your expectations.

The game is what you think it is.
Since it was unveiled, Avowed has felt…off. I can’t put my finger on it. I am the target demo for a game like this and I found The Outer Worlds flawed but worthwhile and charming; Avowed should’ve been a slamdunk pitch. Instead, playing Avowed has affirmed my caution, because the combat is clunky, the world is a little lifeless, and seems, at least at first, to lack the kinds of compelling characters that took The Outer Worlds over the finish line. It’s impossible to make a complete judgment about an RPG based on a few hours with its introductory area, but you gotta start somewhere.

• Crafting the opening to an RPG must be hard, but this one doesn’t work.

The opening to Skyrim is a meme because it’s awesome, and tosses you into the world in the coolest way possible. I’m not a fantasy person but Skyrim had me by the collar from the jump, and I rushed to start poking and prodding at the world. I’m sympathetic to the notion that an RPG has a difficult job, because it needs to bring you into the world when you’re at your weakest as a character and know very little about the journey ahead. You’re not powerful, you’re not interesting, and you don’t know what you want to do. That could be an opportunity for good writing and clever quests to do the lifting, but I wasn’t able to find them. Instead I spent four hours desperately seeking things to do in the Living Lands’ opening hours that didn’t involve struggling to not die as a magic user, or engaging in shocking amounts of awkward platforming. A world, even one that’s only big-ish like in Avowed, needs to point you towards The Good Stuff.

• A potentially fatal flaw: quests without consequence, quests without motivation.

Avowed quite obviously does not have the budget or scope of a Skyrim, but again, part of the reason The Outer Worlds worked was because the combat was (arguably) serviceable, while everything else fell into the writing’s lap. I pushed through because the writing compelled me.

Truth be told, Avowed starts promisingly, with a strangely touching quest where you learn that, in this world, it’s possible to be born with half a soul. You meet such a person, an individual who’s spent their life desperately searching for the other half, but when they do, it turns out their “other half” is a lizard creature whose species has a penchant for violence.

You’re tasked with clearing (aka killing) the smaller enemies out of her home, before stumbling upon a larger variant trying to communicate with you. You can kill them, but my companion pointed out that maybe this was the (half) soulmate our quest giver was speaking of. Upon reporting back, I firmly suggested that, as odd as this situation might be, they should make the best of it.

Touched and deeply amused, I fast traveled back to their home, hoping to witness a lovely but awkward conclusion to this story. Instead, nothing happened. That was the end of the quest. All setup, no punchline.

It was a theme that repeated while exploring Avowed. Once, I cleared a cave of spiders preventing nearby fisherman from doing their jobs, but when the creepy crawlies were dead, no one came to fish. There was no one to thank me. All I had was a little more loot. Where's my impact on the world?

Or when I stumbled into a rickety shantytown on the outskirts of a great and rich city, figuring I could get up to some mischief—or at least an interesting side quest commenting on the game’s class divides? Instead, a soldier asked me to find four medallions that were hiding nearby. Alas.

• We do not live in a world of RPG scarcity. What itch is Avowed scratching?

“Launching a game in today's world is as challenging and big an effort as it's ever been,” said Xbox head honcho Phil Spencer in a recent interview with Game File. You can do everything “right,” by which I mean craft a seemingly objectively good game and spend time, money, and effort telling people about it. And it still might fail. There are no guarantees with video games these days, but step one is crafting an identity. Part of my early tepid reaction to Avowed was trying to puzzle out whether my reaction was purely because “hey, it’s not for me.” But upon playing it, I now wonder: is Avowed for anyone?

Avowed would not be the first video game to really get going hours later than it should. It’s a chronic problem with RPGs. I’ll be returning to the Living Lands in 2025. The only difference is that I’ll be walking through the door, digital wand in hand, with a little more skepticism this time.

 

[Fedora Master]

 

[Morgoth]

Fedora posts a picture of women and likes to think he has reached a new level of masculinity.

 

[0sacred]

"women''

 

[Fedora Master]

These female devs always look the same and there's always at least one land whale.

 

[Morgoth]

The weak man thinks that the more he debases women, the manlier he becomes.

 

[chupachups]

at least one land whale.

Ah, the "funny", slutty ones that bring the team together and despise the filthy, insensible pigs called men.

 

[Kem0sabe]

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I bet they all hate the ginger with the crazy eyes on the lower left corner. Ugly women despise all beauty.

 

[Fedora Master]

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I bet they all hate the ginger with the crazy eyes on the lower left corner. Ugly women despise all beauty.

Obviously they all hate each other but pretend not to.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

The weak man thinks that the more he debases women, the manlier he becomes.

Bold of you to assume they are women.

 

[Cryomancer]

Pillars 2 and Outer Worlds were already woke

Outer Worlds I didn't played. But Pillows 2, you can literally buy Slaves. No pronouns, Male and Female character options, "Africans" and "Europeans" looking humans are considered different SUB races of humans in game. Pillows has its problems, but is nothing like Forspoken or Dustborn

 

[Maculo]

Literally in the intro video they disclose the whole story (you will go to place X to deal with god Z), and then there are no mysteries, no questions, no turns of events through the whole game.

Eh, that's not true. Eothas's motivations and ultimate goal are unknown at first. The gods task you with finding him and asking what he's doing. Then it changes to the impossible goal of stopping him.

təmeɪtoʊ/təmɑːtoʊ

PoE2's main plot is an exercise in futility, the PC plays no active part in it and achieves nothing by the end, not on account of failing but - as you pointed out - due to it being an impossibility all along. The PC and their involvement are altogether irrelevant and, for an RPG, this is objectively atrocious and a complete failure of narrative design.

For the sake of discussion, how many RPGs follow the same formula where the special MC always wins/saves the world against just in time? Here, you and the pantheon were out-maneuvered. It just wasn’t clear how badly the pantheon screwed up until it was too late.

What fell flat for me though was the “we don’t know what comes next” that I remember (it has been a few years). Obsidian couldn’t have reinforced how badly we fucked up?