Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[rusty_shackleford]

a indie russian studio.

actually, it's the other way around
pfkm is the one that was created by a developer owned by mail.ru and published by Deep Silver

 

[Ontopoly]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

cope

 

[Ontopoly]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

cope

Cope x2

 

[Gargaune]

But lets compare a game by a company with over 300 workers VS a indie russian studio.

a indie russian studio.

actually, it's the other way around
pfkm is the one that was created by a developer owned by mail.ru and published by Deep Silver

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

cope

Cope x2

notice how wrath of the tranny lovers have to come to the bg3 thread but none of the bg3 fans even care about the tranny game?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

But lets compare a game by a company with over 300 workers VS a indie russian studio.

a indie russian studio.

actually, it's the other way around
pfkm is the one that was created by a developer owned by mail.ru and published by Deep Silver

Larian is an independent studio that Swen owns himself and slowly built up over almost three decades.
Owlcat was created by a billion-dollar entity and pumped with money to shit out a product.

 

[Gargaune]

Larian is an independent studio that Swen owns himself and slowly built up over three decades.
Owlcat was created by a billion-dollar entity and pumped with money to shit out a product.

Are you suggesting that Owlcat's PFKM had a larger budget than Larian's BG3?

 

[d1r]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

How exactly is Baldur's Gate 3 not a huge passion project? You can say a lot of things about Larian, but soulless? Passionless? Give me a fucking break.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Larian is an independent studio that Swen owns himself and slowly built up over three decades.
Owlcat was created by a billion-dollar entity and pumped with money to shit out a product.

Are you suggesting that Owlcat's PFKM had a larger budget than Larian's BG3?

I'm suggesting that BG3 has a larger budget because of Swen's success, and not because it had a parent company and publisher funneling money to them.

 

[Ontopoly]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

cope

Cope x2

notice how wrath of the tranny lovers have to come to the bg3 thread but none of the bg3 fans even care about the tranny game?

That's because larian cultists obviously couldn't see a good game if it was right in front of them the whole time

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

cope

Cope x2

notice how wrath of the tranny lovers have to come to the bg3 thread but none of the bg3 fans even care about the tranny game?

That's because larian cultists obviously couldn't see a good game if it was right in front of them the whole time

guess that explains why you're in the bg3 thread then

 

[Ontopoly]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

How exactly is Baldur's Gate 3 not a huge passion project? You can say a lot of things about Larian, but soulless? Passionless? Give me a fucking break.

Why isn't swen passionate about his own universe he spent 20 years working on? He jumps ship the second something better came along. Doesn't sound passionate to me. He couldn't do it himself so he went to someone else's work that could. Passionless. Bg3 had no soul

 

[Gargaune]

I'm suggesting that BG3 has a larger budget because of Swen's success, and not because it had a parent company and publisher funneling money to them.

And that has bugger all to do with the point you replied to, because it was a comparison of labour resources and yes - Larian has hundreds of developers worldwide and Owlcat had a couple dozen and vodka on tap.

Which is also kinda beside the point, because ruleset implementation and C&C are separate issues, but I didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you had to reply to his post.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm suggesting that BG3 has a larger budget because of Swen's success, and not because it had a parent company and publisher funneling money to them.

And that has bugger all to do with the point you replied to, because it was a comparison of labour resources and yes - Larian has hundreds of developers worldwide and Owlcat had a couple dozen and vodka on tap.

Which is also kinda beside the point, because ruleset implementation and C&C are separate issues, but I didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you had to reply to his post.

Swen worked for the resources he has available.
What did Owlcat do to get the resources they used to create a buggy, unfinished game?

 

[Saravan]

Can I play as a Dhampir Wizard in path to become a Lich on BG3 and cast really nasty spells? In Wrath I can. I still prefer other types of undeath like becoming a shade or a vampire, but liches are cool too.

It never ends.

 

[Gargaune]

Swen worked for the resources he has available.
What did Owlcat do to get the resources they used to create a buggy, unfinished game?

Who gives a shit? I'm buying a product, not handing out gold stars for effort.

 

[Ontopoly]

I'm suggesting that BG3 has a larger budget because of Swen's success, and not because it had a parent company and publisher funneling money to them.

And that has bugger all to do with the point you replied to, because it was a comparison of labour resources and yes - Larian has hundreds of developers worldwide and Owlcat had a couple dozen and vodka on tap.

Which is also kinda beside the point, because ruleset implementation and C&C are separate issues, but I didn't hold a gun to your head and tell you had to reply to his post.

Swen worked for the resources he has available.
What did Owlcat do to get the resources they used to create a buggy, unfinished game?

Went to investors and kick starter. Pitched an idea. Pretty normal for videos game making

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Went to investors and kick starter

No, they didn't.
Kickstarter was never used to create PFKM, it was used for adding content to it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker/description

Pathfinder: Kingmaker has an existing schedule, an existing scope, and an existing budget, and that budget will allow us to achieve that scope on schedule. We already have a full team of people working on it, and we're committed to doing it regardless of what happens with this Kickstarter. So why are we asking for your help? The answer is YOU—we need YOU to decide how big Pathfinder: Kingmaker is going to be. Success in this Kickstarter will allow us to increase the budget and the scope, delivering a bigger and deeper game on the same schedule.

Arguing that they're some "small indie" is hilarious when they were created by a major corporation and had a major publisher.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Swen worked for the resources he has available.
What did Owlcat do to get the resources they used to create a buggy, unfinished game?

Who gives a shit? I'm buying a product, not handing out gold stars for effort.

might want to go look at what started the entire discussion then
take your adhd meds

 

[Gargaune]

might want to go look at what started the entire discussion then
take your adhd meds

It started with you not knowing what "the other way around" means.

But lets compare a game by a company with over 300 workers VS a indie russian studio.

a indie russian studio.

actually, it's the other way around
pfkm is the one that was created by a developer owned by mail.ru and published by Deep Silver

 

[rusty_shackleford]

might want to go look at what started the entire discussion then
take your adhd meds

It started with you not knowing what "the other way around" means.

But lets compare a game by a company with over 300 workers VS a indie russian studio.

a indie russian studio.

actually, it's the other way around
pfkm is the one that was created by a developer owned by mail.ru and published by Deep Silver

I agree, larian isn't russian, my apologies

 

[Saravan]

Damn.

Need to take a page from Sawyer and have some balance™ to your thoughts. BG3 seems to put a lot of effort into mechanics that reinforces the immersive storytelling, everything from CC to hand-crafting every sequence of camp interactions to match with the environment. As to the complexity of the build mechanics and combat it seems more streamlined than Kingmaker for sure (and most likely due to the different rulesets), these are areas I would definitely ascribe Kingmaker as its biggest strengths. Saying Kingmaker is a strong contender in C&C in general is just straight up glorifying a game however, then again I recall Gargaune said the story was more than serviceable.

 

[Ontopoly]

Damn.

Need to take a page from Sawyer and have some balance™ to your thoughts. BG3 seems to put a lot of effort into mechanics that reinforces the immersive storytelling, everything from CC to hand-crafting every sequence of camp interactions to match with the environment. As to the complexity of the build mechanics and combat it seems more streamlined than Kingmaker for sure (and most likely due to the different rulesets), these are areas I would definitely ascribe Kingmaker as its biggest strengths. Saying Kingmaker is a strong contender in C&C in general is just straight up glorifying a game however, then again I recall Gargaune said the story was more than serviceable.

Kingmaker had crap c&c but wotr will improve there a lot

 

[d1r]

Pathfinder has heart and passion and that's not something that can be bought with a big budget. Pay a guy and he can create different solutions to a problem, but pay a guy and he can't just magically grow passion for a project that's run by a soulless passionless company. Owlcat has heart. and Wrath of the righteous mythics will blow out any amount of reactivity that bg3 could possibly have anyways.

How exactly is Baldur's Gate 3 not a huge passion project? You can say a lot of things about Larian, but soulless? Passionless? Give me a fucking break.

Why isn't swen passionate about his own universe he spent 20 years working on? He jumps ship the second something better came along. Doesn't sound passionate to me. He couldn't do it himself so he went to someone else's work that could. Passionless. Bg3 had no soul

What are you even on about? Larian's last games (even though they had their fair share of problems) were still good, and passionate CRPG's. And just because they get the chance to work on Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't mean that they're done with their own series. Seriously, which CRPG developer would want to miss out the chance to work on their own version of a Baldur's Gate game?