Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Gargaune]

I think it's tied to how the engine controls a character. Maybe it's not even possible to control two at once.

There are no technical limitations at play here, the Toilet Chain is a pure case of incompetent design and obstinacy.

 

[Gargaune]

Lacrymas, re:

- I don't tell you where to draw a ♫ on your score, kindly return the courtesy and take my word on software development. There are no technical impediments to implementing a proper control scheme in BG3 and if Larian's design department pulled their heads out of their asses, they'd realise there are no design ones either. Hell, I've written at length on the subject and even outlined the absolute bare minimum work they could do:

A minimal quick fix for the party Chain controls:
1. Portrait Shift+Click listener to Chain or Unchain a companion to the currently selected character (leader). Shift+Click on leader triggers Chain/Unchain All.
2. Keybind for Chain/Unchain All.

The Shift-clicks will allow creating subgroups much quicker and simpler than dragging portraits in and out of the chained stack and a Chain All toggle will let players easily swap between controlling their leader or their entire group. Together, they would permit control somewhat similar to NWN2 in Puppet Mode, minus the Marquee selection.

These additions would make tactical party movement much more accessible without compromising the existing Chain design in any way, and they could both be implemented by a UI developer over the span of a lunch break.

Anyone who's ever set up a click listener knows I'm not lowballing the timeframe there.

 

[Serus]

Pearls before swine.

"Pearls" as in BG1 or BG2? Let's not go overboard here. Quartz, zircon maybe for BG2. But the point stands.

 

[Ontopoly]

1) Muh RTWP
2) Muh toilet chain
3) Muh cuck romances
4) Muh HP bloat
5) Muh larian writing
6) Muh bonus actions
7) Muh originals
8) Muh

You provided the reasons the game is bad. I'll provide the reasons it's good.

 

[DeepOcean]

So, guise, I dont waste time with this lately, so, what is the TLDR? Is this actually a decent game that at least is playable like the Pathfinder games or is this better than Outer Worlds territory?


More importantly, can you avoid romance nonsense and talk with the characters like a normal person or you need to strategically avoid certain dialogue to not have a dildo shoved on your ass by some half orc lady?

 

[Efe]

It is fine if you want another d: os

 

[Cryomancer]

BG3 will be a great game. Once modders fixes all Larienism of the game. Imagine if someone mods 2e spells into this game.

 

[jackofshadows]

More importantly, can you avoid romance nonsense and talk with the characters like a normal person or you need to strategically avoid certain dialogue to not have a dildo shoved on your ass by some half orc lady?

You can say fuck off to any companion or outright kill them, that's not a potential issue at all. Same for NPCs, really.

Overall, as banal as it sounds - too early to judge given the huge amount of changes over EA. It can be folded into a much, much better game than D:OS1/2 but they might as well can bury it under too thick and heavy layer of shit.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

You are forgetting that the target are players with gamepads.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I'll provide the reasons it's good

Glad you agree.

 

[AwesomeButton]

So, guise, I dont waste time with this lately, so, what is the TLDR? Is this actually a decent game that at least is playable like the Pathfinder games or is this better than Outer Worlds territory?


More importantly, can you avoid romance nonsense and talk with the characters like a normal person or you need to strategically avoid certain dialogue to not have a dildo shoved on your ass by some half orc lady?

It will be great for goofing around with friends, especially if your friends are stupid.

 

[hell bovine]

So, guise, I dont waste time with this lately, so, what is the TLDR? Is this actually a decent game that at least is playable like the Pathfinder games or is this better than Outer Worlds territory?

It's EA, so who knows how it will end up. I like the exploration factor; the maps are interconnected, Underdark looks like a "magic mushroom drug trip", and there are some interesting things hidden here and there. On the downside the party controls are just awful.

Romances are easy to avoid, it's pretty clear what the dialogue options to skip are (the drunk college party option). However, except maybe for Shadowheart, the companions are not worth having to use those party controls, so you can resolve both issues by playing with a custom party.

I've actually found Pathfinder's romance attempts worse, if only because one of the hotfixes during the patching frenzy landed my druid in bed with Reg and Octavia. Next hotfix fixed the flags, and everyone went back to pretending nothing happened. Which is the proper reaction when you had a threesome with your boss, I guess.

 

[Cael]

I'm liking so far because I liked of divinity 2. The feeling is the same, hated the dice,

Larian target audience with BG3 in nutshell.

Timers were bullshit, though.

Disagreed. Time is important on TT RPG's and should be important in CRPG's. If Trolls are attacking your kingdom and you are in the other side of the world doing nothing, deal with the consequences. On M&M VI, to be promoted to great druid, you need to go in a place during the solstice or equinox. And your characters ages.

1) Muh RTWP
2) Muh toilet chain
3) Muh cuck romances
4) Muh HP bloat
5) Muh larian writing
6) Muh bonus actions
7) Muh originals
8) Muh

Except by the first one, everything is valid.

• 1 - RtWP

5e has a lot of abilities that hardly can be translated to RtWP. 2e in other hands, had OPTIONAL rules for everyone declaring his actions and taking it at the same time. I still love 2E TB adaptations like Dark Sun : Wake of the Ravager, but I don't mind RtWP. 5e is different. But I an not seeing anyone advocating for RtWP recently here. Most people on codex prefer TB and most people who bash TB only played RtWP D&D adaptations, never touched the glorious SSI adaptations. They think that "bg3 sucks so all TB adaptations sucks" when half of a hour playing a SSI game would change his mind.

• 2 - Toilet chain

What? Is the awful barrelmancy?

• 3 - Romances

Yes, romances sucks on BG3. WoTR will give romanceable succubus companions with a redeeming quest-line and route. Not only romances sucks on BG3. All companions sucks. You have the noble warlock at lv 1, the wizard with a netherese artifact also on lv 1.

• 4 - hp bloat

It is awful. The worst thing of BG3. Is not that "hur dur is hard", is that is boring. Can you name one game where a warlock after dozens of hours playing, can't OHK a mere low level goblin with his eldritch blast? 5e already nerfed non evocation spells, and I an talking about mostly group support spells too, not only spells like disintegrate. Polymorth no longer can be a amazing buff on the fighter. Nor stoneskin. And many of the enchantment spells which 5e destroyed, BG3 destroyed then even harder with the hp bloat.

While other games like Solasta, is implementing sub classes like Shock Arcanist which are cool as an Wizard fan, Larian is doing everything that they can to make Wizard be the most boring class possible. Hell, they can't even do a firebolt cantrip right.

• 5 - Larian Writing

Another valid complain. Larian writing is awful.

• 6 - Bonus action

Another valid complain. Shove and disengage as bonus actions is ridiculous and take out the decision of attacking, casting a spell or disengaging out of the game.

• 7 - Originals

Yes, Originals are much better games. Better ruleset, better companions, better writing, better anything but graphics and music.

• Muh

The unique thing which I can praise BG3 is graphics and music.


But one thing which I hate on this game, is the awful single summon limit. You can't have familiar + mage hand. Larian will destroy necromancy more than 5e necromancy already destroyed. And yes, necromancy is trash on 5e. Only low CR undead and no OHK spells. In fact, if we pick a high CR monster like a Lich and replace his necromancer spells for evocation spells, he becomes exponentially stronger. Just trade the lame power word kill for meteor swarm and see him who could lose to a mid level party obliterating the same party in a single round.

Graphics? That stupid elf looks like an industrial accident waiting to happen with those stupid Darwinian ears.

 

[aloeh]

Cool nobody answer my question

 

[NJClaw]

Cool nobody answer my question

If your question is this one:

I'm playing, finished the goblin fort. Still have much more game to play?

It's literally impossible to give you an answer due to how the chapter is structured. Since almost everything is optional and disconnected from everything else, "finished the goblin fort" doesn't give any information. If you haven't been to the Underdark yet, probably you still have 1/3 of the EA to explore.

 

[hell bovine]

Cool nobody answer my question

Because as NJClaw wrote, there is no answer to that. BG3 is basically several maps connected with each other, and you can do them in different order. For example, from the blighted village you could go to the goblin fort, to the waukeen's rest inn, to the wetlands and to underdark. Which areas did you complete?

 

[aloeh]

Cool nobody answer my question

If your question is this one:

I'm playing, finished the goblin fort. Still have much more game to play?

Cool nobody answer my question

Because as NJClaw wrote, there is no answer to that. BG3 is basically several maps connected with each other, and you can do them in different order. For example, from the blighted village you could go to the goblin fort, to the waukeen's rest inn, to the wetlands and to underdark. Which areas did you complete?

It's literally impossible to give you an answer due to how the chapter is structured. Since almost everything is optional and disconnected from everything else, "finished the goblin fort" doesn't give any information. If you haven't been to the Underdark yet, probably you still have 1/3 of the EA to explore.

Thanks for the answer guys.

Done goblin fort, talk to the hag, I'm goig to the crèche (gone lvl 3 and my ass got kicked), still not come back to conclusion of druid quest, need to rescue a Duke.

That's all I can remember from my head now.

 

[hell bovine]

Done goblin fort, talk to the hag, I'm goig to the crèche (gone lvl 3 and my ass got kicked), still not come back to conclusion of druid quest, need to rescue a Duke.

That's all I can remember from my head now.

You don't get to rescue the duke or visit the creche in the EA. But you can find the hideout of a certain faction in waukeen's rest, and that includes another entrance to the underdark. There are two other entrances that I could find. Underdark itself has some interesting areas to explore and fun fights, so depends how much you do there.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

BG3 will be a great game. Once modders fixes all Larienism of the game. Imagine if someone mods 2e spells into this game.

From what I've seen, I'm inclined to agree. I'll probably wait for the "it's actually done edition", and then install the best rated PnP restoration mod.

 

[Cryomancer]

BG3 will be a great game. Once modders fixes all Larienism of the game. Imagine if someone mods 2e spells into this game.

From what I've seen, I'm inclined to agree. I'll probably wait for the "it's actually done edition", and then install the best rated PnP restoration mod.

Yep. Modders will fix the LArianism in the game. Faster animations, concurrent turns and removing hp bloat would be probably among the most popular mods for the game. But if somehow someone manages to make a 2e conversion for BG3, do you think that WoTC would DMCA the mod? WoTC is draconian with trying to promote the current ruleset. Throne of bhaal is rushed due WoTC wanting to "promote" 3E. WoTC would prefer to see the D&D license on a mobile cashgrab than on a 2e game... I really miss TSR.

 

[Larianshill]

Are you that one guy's alt?

 

[Cryomancer]

Are you that one guy's alt?

Nope. Just changed my name. Still the greatest magefag here.

 

[Bara]

Are you that one guy's alt?

No he's just gotten really into roll playing after his first ttrpg session.

 

[Cryomancer]

Are you that one guy's alt?

No he's just gotten really into roll playing after his first ttrpg session.

That was not my first TTRPG session. I played 3e about a decade ago. Was my first time playing a retroclone close to the original D&D. And no, I have no interest on playing 5e on TT. As my favorite spell schools are worthless on 5e. The unique game with worst conjuration, alteration and necromancy is 4e which has Final Fantasy style "a summon is just a attack" BS and honestly, PF1e still heavily played.

If I could't find a S&W group for mid level content, I would play PF1e.

 

[Lacrymas]

Pathfinder 1E is ridiculously clunky to play on an actual table. If you use something like Roll20 which calculates everything automatically, it might be a bit better, but I wouldn't torture myself otherwise.