Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

Hm ok thanks for explaining.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Funnily enough, when I first tried I merely thought it was dumb, but it was only after hours of play that the attrition set in, having to drag and shove portraits from and into a bouncy stack whenever I wanted to set up an ambush or scout ahead etc. and inevitably forgetting on occasion. The truly obscene part, however, is that Larian aren't breaking any new ground, everything they're doing has been done before and better (or at least less horrifically in NWN2), and it would be trivial for them to improve the situation a little bit. Sadly, it does seem to fit into a modern trend where interface designers, and not just in videogames, constantly lose track of function while trying to turn their "work" into an experience in and of itself.

That's something I argued over and over, too.
It's not really a matter of "understanding the system" or "growing used to it". In fact, the more familiar I became with this control scheme and its quirks, spending hours using it , the more I despised it over the years.

The second point is another excellent one. Here's the real, ultimate failure of the chain system: it gets beaten even at its own game ("You'll control only your main character most of the time, the others will just follow") even by other more traditional systems that just implemented an "auto-follow toggle".
Blatant example: Dragon Age: Origins (a game that is far from my "dream tier" when it comes to controls) when activating auto-follow does anything the chain system does BETTER and it's also quicker to deactivate when you don't need it. As a bonus (if you care about that) it does it with support for third person camera/WASD direct control (not my cup of tea, but whatever floats your boat, I guess).

Same goes with Pathfinder.
Did you guys try Kingmaker with a gamepad? It absolutely sucks compared to mouse and keyboard, of course. But still, it basically does anything the chain system does better.
And your companions can even keep some resemblance of composure while following you, rather than running around like headless chickens at every touch of the controls.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Passing along feedback to Swen that the codex generally likes the chain system

 

[Desiderius]

The idea that one control system could be better than another control system is hurtful tho.

 

[Desiderius]

That’s why they feel like they have to say “that’s just your opinion” all the time. Hard relativism.

You’ll be living life in a giant tub of slime until you seriously address why people do this.

 

[jackofshadows]

So when's this shit coming out anyway?

Gotta get my FANTASY fix

Have you tried Solasta?

 

[Swen]

So when's this shit coming out anyway?

Gotta get my FANTASY fix

Have you tried Solasta?

Solasta is garbage. Even with their pandering to SJW's, the gaming press was still unimpressed, that says enough of this bugged woke indie crap...

He'll have to wait for the full release of BG3 to experience a good CRPG.

 

[Lacrymas]

Almost 8 out 10 is unimpressed? Don't get me wrong, Solasta is not very good and I'd say it's at best a weak 6/10, but as far as I can see it's well received.

 

[NJClaw]

Almost 8 out 10 is unimpressed? Don't get me wrong, Solasta is not very good and I'd say it's at best a weak 6/10, but as far as I can see it's well received.

Why are you replying seriously to a shitposter who roleplays as Swen?

Save your strength for the next heated discussion about dickless paladins.

 

[Swen]

Almost 8 out 10 is unimpressed? Don't get me wrong, Solasta is not very good and I'd say it's at best a weak 6/10, but as far as I can see it's well received.

Of course it's bad, 77 on the modern rating scale is mediocre at best.

Why are you replying seriously to a shitposter who roleplays as Swen?

Don't be butthurt Luigi, not my fault your favorite indie game flopped.

Also the real question that needs an answer though; are italians white?

 

[Thac0]

How does one cope as hard as the Solasta haters?
This is a 12 man indie rpg. It fucking has 5000 reviews on Steam, and 90% positive or so.
Let us compare this to a game of roughly equal budget:


300 reviews...
That is a flop.

For most games the amount of sales is roughly 50 sales per review, in any way the amount of reviews can be used as a fairly safe metric to judge sales success. For its budget Solasta is an overwhelming success.

 

[NJClaw]

Also the real question that needs an answer though; are italians white?

It depends on who you ask. According to one of the most famous football ultras' chorus, "Black people will never be Italians".

I'd say that our honest attempt to help Hitler and the colonial genocide in Africa make us honorary whites.

 

[Swen]

How does one cope as hard as the Solasta haters?
This is a 12 man indie rpg. It fucking has 5000 reviews on Steam, and 90% positive or so.
Let us compare this to a game of roughly equal budget:


300 reviews...
That is a flop.

For most games the amount of sales is roughly 50 sales per review, in any way the amount of reviews can be used as a fairly safe metric to judge sales success. For its budget Solasta is an overwhelming success.

Lol, the one who is really coping is the one who only looks at steam reviews and ignores critical reviews.

77 metascore is a clear flop for this bugged ugly wannabe crpg. Sorry sweetheart, it being an indie is no excuse, a bad game is a bad game. Simple as.

Also the real question that needs an answer though; are italians white?

It depends on who you ask. According to one of the most famous football ultras' chorus, "Black people will never be Italians".

I'd say that our honest attempt to help Hitler and the colonial genocide in Africa make us honorary whites.

Hmmm, Lombardy is white and maybe even Tuscany but further south..oh man. Was in Naples a couple of years ago... what has been seen... People look like legit Turks. Also belgian roads are sh*t but italian infrastructure is practically third world tier.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

I don't know, whats more retared: Swen 's claims that opinion of critics on metacritic is more valuable than opinions of Steam customers who actually bought the game and played it or his complains about "SJW pandering" while larping on forum as director of a company which previously made a game with skeleton romances and now making a game with Astarion.

I hope it's some kind of extremely fat trolling, otherwise this guy has some serious brain damage.

 

[fantadomat]

So when's this shit coming out anyway?

Gotta get my FANTASY fix

Have you tried Solasta?

Solasta is garbage. Even with their pandering to SJW's, the gaming press was still unimpressed, that says enough of this bugged woke indie crap...

He'll have to wait for the full release of BG3 to experience a good CRPG.

Fucking again with the metacritic,fucking old farts! Go on and kick the bucket already,stop draining the country with your pension,joggers need their welfare gibz.

And yeah Solasta is pretty shit,tho i doubt that it will end up worst than Baldur's divinity gape XXX:::Original sin 3-III :-: Sven's revengencensens.

 

[Swen]

I don't know, whats more retared: Swen 's claims that opinion of critics on metacritic is more valuable than opinions of customers who actually bought the game and played it or his complains about "SJW pandering" while larping on forum as director of a company which previously made a game with skeleton romances and now making a game with Astarion.

I hope it's some kind of extremely fat trolling, otherwise this guy has some serious brain damage.

Try reading dear, everybody needs to pander to woke crap these days if they want good reviews from mainstream gaming outlets. But Solasta did and still flopped, even with all the pandering... So it must be really sh*t.

And review scores matter sweety, cope all with "buh look at muh consoomer reviewz". Metascore is important and Solasta flopped just like Pathfinder.

 

[The_Mask]

Try reading dear, everybody needs to pander to woke crap these days if they want good reviews from mainstream gaming outlets.

I need to go to bed right now, but just you wait: when I wake up, I'll (somehow) check that statue in the middle of town Solasta has, where all the top donors are listed and if I find any that have Larian in the name, I'll make you look like a fool.

Be back in like... 8h. Get your retort ready!

 

[Gradenmayer]

Ya retards are putting way too much thought into a fantasy race, that came to be with someone writing- "what If small, but wide, strong and dig a lot, with funny accent and huge beard" in their notebook.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Also I noticed how many people who complain about "hurr durr Solasta pander to SJW" rank BG games and Pathfinder as their favorite games, completely ignoring all weird fetish and ideological shit inserted in these games.
I am starting to think that saying "one who hates gays with passion - has all chances to be a biggest gay of them all" can be applied to SJWs and those who hate them so much - they ready to whine about these bastards in every thread and every occasion, even if it does not change anything.

Try reading dear, everybody needs to pander to woke crap these days if they want good reviews from mainstream gaming outlets. But Solasta did and still flopped, even with all the pandering... So it must be really sh*t.

So if pandering comes from successful games it's acceptable and if game flops -it's not? Nice logic, dipshit. Maybe theory about brain damage is true after all.

And review scores matter sweety, cope all with "buh look at muh consoomer reviewz". Metascore is important and Solasta flopped just like Pathfinder.

You know, I was about to answer seriously on your claim, but you called Pathfinder as flop (despite sequel being developed right now) while larping as man who created Beyond Divinity. You can convince yourself in whatever bullshit you want, but don't expect everyone to value your opinion and take it seriously. Hell, even ass lickers "critics" on Metacritic sound more reliable somehow in comparison of your inane drivel.

 

[Swen]

Try reading dear, everybody needs to pander to woke crap these days if they want good reviews from mainstream gaming outlets. But Solasta did and still flopped, even with all the pandering... So it must be really sh*t.

So if pandering comes from successful games it's acceptable and if game flops -it's not? Nice logic, dipshit. Maybe theory about brain damage is true after all.

You really have a hard time with reading comprehension huh. I never said pandering to wokes is a good thing BUT it is a necessary thing if you want positive scores of mainstream gaming outlets, it's the sad reality of the world we're living in today. Hence that Solasta is a real (critical) flop since they pandered hard to the woke trash and still flopped with only a 77 metascore.

And review scores matter sweety, cope all with "buh look at muh consoomer reviewz". Metascore is important and Solasta flopped just like Pathfinder.

You know, I was about to answer seriously on your claim, but you called Pathfinder as flop (despite sequel being developed right now) while larping as man who created Beyond Divinity. You can convince yourself in whatever bullshit you want, but don't expect everyone to value your opinion and take it seriously. Hell, even ass lickers "critics" on Metacritic sound more reliable somehow in comparison of your inane drivel.

Yes Pathfinder is a critical flop, how is this fact so triggering for you? It had bad reviews. And we'll see how much Wrath of the cuck scores later...

 

[Cryomancer]

controller

controller = decline.

Yes Pathfinder is a critical flop

Again. Retarded game journalists.

"Perhaps a bit more troubling is the fact that within Pathfinder's ruleset, many monsters and creatures require very specific tools to kill. Swarms of small creatures like rats, for instance, can't be effectively fought with a sword and shield. Sometimes Kingmaker warns you, but other times it simply expects you to know how to handle the problem. Rust monsters, skeletons, ghosts, and so on all have specific tools that you need to understand and be able to use with relative ease. That's made easier by having a diverse party, but then you have to take far more time aside to learn the ins and outs of your band of characters than a traditional tabletop player." https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/pathfinder-kingmaker-review-the-classics/1900-6417006/

And this critical flop got more money from KS than your beloved DOS2. And lets talk about critiques. Even Josh Sawyer criticized BG3.

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1326718683402567680

And he is right. Low level D&D is awful and this is one of the reasons.

 

[Desiderius]

Both PF and Solasta got dinged because they’re not Woke enough. PF is Poz and Solasta has the ghey loyalty oath but neither one is anything close to the brave new world the wokels envision.

 

[whydoibother]

controller

controller = decline.

Yes Pathfinder is a critical flop

Again. Retarded game journalists.

"Perhaps a bit more troubling is the fact that within Pathfinder's ruleset, many monsters and creatures require very specific tools to kill. Swarms of small creatures like rats, for instance, can't be effectively fought with a sword and shield. Sometimes Kingmaker warns you, but other times it simply expects you to know how to handle the problem. Rust monsters, skeletons, ghosts, and so on all have specific tools that you need to understand and be able to use with relative ease. That's made easier by having a diverse party, but then you have to take far more time aside to learn the ins and outs of your band of characters than a traditional tabletop player." https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/pathfinder-kingmaker-review-the-classics/1900-6417006/

And this critical flop got more money from KS than your beloved DOS2. And lets talk about critiques. Even Josh Sawyer criticized BG3.

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1326718683402567680

And he is right. Low level D&D is awful and this is one of the reasons.

Low level D&D is narrative kino, and mechanical misery.
I much prefer the aesthetic and fantasy of it to the over the top animu godslaying of epic levels, but the huge influence of RNG early (be it with critical hits instantly killing you, attrition damage draining your consumables, or that fucking rapier just NOT dropping, or of course that dice rolls are a larger part of an outcome than character skill).

 

[Cryomancer]

I much prefer the aesthetic and fantasy of it to the over the top animu godslaying of epic levels, but the huge influence of RNG early (be it with critical hits instantly killing you, attrition damage draining your consumables, or that fucking rapier just NOT dropping, or of course that dice rolls are a larger part of an outcome than character skill).

You know that there is a thing called mid level, where your party can't slay ancient dragons and liches but at the same time can do more than just killing kobolds, right? Despite enjoying power fantasy in some games, on tabletop which is a group activity, I believe that D&D works better at mid levels.

 

[whydoibother]

I much prefer the aesthetic and fantasy of it to the over the top animu godslaying of epic levels, but the huge influence of RNG early (be it with critical hits instantly killing you, attrition damage draining your consumables, or that fucking rapier just NOT dropping, or of course that dice rolls are a larger part of an outcome than character skill).

You know that there is a thing called mid level, where your party can't slay ancient dragons and liches but at the same time can do more than just killing kobolds, right? Despite enjoying power fantasy in some games, on tabletop which is a group activity, I believe that D&D works better at mid levels.

Mid level is only fun as the end game for a low level start. Those are my favorite campaigns - start low, get to "medium' (which is still high by any reasonable standard).