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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

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Just for the record, after weeks of daily updates yesterday the SteamDB page for the game showed that “Patch5” suddenly got forked in a separate build called “Patch5_pub” (public).
There’s a good chance the update is dropping today.

We’ll see in less than 10 hours I guess.

Don't they usually announce a save-wipe warning before each of the big patches? I suspect it's around the corner, but we'd probably get that first. In fact, I'm hoping for it because that usually implies significant changes.
Well, with the only exception of Patch 4, their changelog/warning has always been on the same day the update released, usually.

But on the other hand you may have a point that I might have been too quick to optimistic conclusions. While it's clearly "brewing", we could still be few days away for all I know.
 
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Did anybody notice that the intro trailer has got a small extension in the end where Laezel wakes up in the ship and watches Avernus?
Just have noticed it, don’t have any idea when they added it.
 

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Did anybody notice that the intro trailer has got a small extension in the end where Laezel wakes up in the ship and watches Avernus?
Just have noticed it, don’t have any idea when they added it.

If it's that scene with her looking out to Avernus and seeing the floating "III" structure, it's been there from the start - you can see it here on a streamer VOD (CohhCarnage) from day 1: https://youtu.be/vr2RVxSAJ7k?t=1386
 

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Not to cry because "senpai Larian is not noticing me" (hell, I'm probably better without any direct interaction with them that could end up with someone being abused with a whip-chain), but let me point how weird it feels being a freeloader on their Discord server and observing that Larian employees seem to come to life and write in their own chat ONLY when it comes to sucking off "famous" Youtubers covering their games, mostly with memes about shirtless Halsin being super-hot or other vague forms of simping, then back to being completely silent for DAYS in-between.

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They are the new bioware , dragon age 2 meme was about varric hairchest. Have a look at BG3 reddit, its bioware forum all over again . Maybe worse hardly discussing the game mechanics anymore, it's all about fan art.

And here you guys are, supporting this horrible decline.
Thanks.

Don't ever complain about the state of CRPGs again.
 

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Infinity Engine art will never be topped.
why can't some company just take that engine and pump out old AD&D modules 2 times a year? Seems like they would have had a steady market for 20-30 years w/o only minor upgrades to the engine as time went on..
WotC isn't keen on licensing its old discontinued products. They see old editions as threats to the popularity of the current one and will do everything in their power to stop them from resurfacing. I honestly don't know how Beamdog got away with Siege of Dragonspear, probably only because they sold it as an expansion for an already existing game.

Yes, WotC is THAT dumb.
 

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It's not even D&D exclusive, you see it all the time when people talk about video game franchises online.
"Why should I play [game 1] when [game 2] is newer?"
 

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They see old editions as threats to the popularity of the current one and will do everything in their power to stop them from resurfacing.
There is simpler explanation: They want to promote the current edition, because that's the one they have in stock (and the one you have to "upgrade" to. With your cold, plastic card). After 5E there will be 6E and so on, and so forth. "Nothing personal, Jack. It's just... good business".
 

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They see old editions as threats to the popularity of the current one and will do everything in their power to stop them from resurfacing.
There is simpler explanation: They want to promote the current edition, because that's the one they have in stock (and the one you have to "upgrade" to). After 5E there will be 6E and so on, and so forth. "No hard feelings, Jack. It's just... good business".
Yes, that's what I was saying. They want the current edition to be in the spotlight and see the older ones as potential threats. That's also why every time they come up with a new edition they start to throw shit on the previous one.

But that's extremely dumb because (a) insulting your previous products alienates your customers (why should I buy your new game when you're telling me I'm dumb for enjoying your previous one?), and (b) the two products aren't actually in direct competition: compared to 5E, 3.x and AD&D are so niche that this discussion doesn't even make sense. If someone is playing AD&D in 2021, he definitely won't stop only because WotC said 5E is better; and if a newbie wants to start playing D&D, he most probably won't even consider AD&D.
 

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Yes, that's what I was saying. They want the current edition to be in the spotlight and see the older ones as potential threats. That's also why every time they come up with a new edition they start to throw shit on the previous one.
How are they "throwing shit on the previous one"?
 

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They see old editions as threats to the popularity of the current one and will do everything in their power to stop them from resurfacing.
There is simpler explanation: They want to promote the current edition, because that's the one they have in stock (and the one you have to "upgrade" to). After 5E there will be 6E and so on, and so forth. "No hard feelings, Jack. It's just... good business".
Yes, that's what I was saying. They want the current edition to be in the spotlight and see the older ones as potential threats. That's also why every time they come up with a new edition they start to throw shit on the previous one.

But that's extremely dumb because (a) insulting your previous products alienates your customers (why should I buy your new game when you're telling me I'm dumb for enjoying your previous one?), and (b) the two products aren't actually in direct competition: compared to 5E, 3.x and AD&D are so niche that this discussion doesn't even make sense. If someone is playing AD&D in 2021, he definitely won't stop only because WotC said 5E is better; and if a newbie wants to start playing D&D, he most probably won't even consider AD&D.
That's not dumb, if people realize they can just use old editions, probably a pirated version , and do pretty much the same thing ,having the same fun , maybe more, thats very bad for business and why hire all those guys . They have to make ancient editions disappear and look outdated. Anything in BG3 could not happen if it was using 2E ruleset instead ? I dont think so .
 

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Dropping all pretense from previous versions and making the midgets officially a free for all is one of the few good things about 4E.
 

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They see old editions as threats to the popularity of the current one and will do everything in their power to stop them from resurfacing.
There is simpler explanation: They want to promote the current edition, because that's the one they have in stock (and the one you have to "upgrade" to). After 5E there will be 6E and so on, and so forth. "No hard feelings, Jack. It's just... good business".
Yes, that's what I was saying. They want the current edition to be in the spotlight and see the older ones as potential threats. That's also why every time they come up with a new edition they start to throw shit on the previous one.

But that's extremely dumb because (a) insulting your previous products alienates your customers (why should I buy your new game when you're telling me I'm dumb for enjoying your previous one?), and (b) the two products aren't actually in direct competition: compared to 5E, 3.x and AD&D are so niche that this discussion doesn't even make sense. If someone is playing AD&D in 2021, he definitely won't stop only because WotC said 5E is better; and if a newbie wants to start playing D&D, he most probably won't even consider AD&D.
That's not dumb, if people realize they can just use old editions, probably a pirated version , and do pretty much the same thing ,having the same fun , maybe more, thats very bad for business and why hire all those guys . They have to make ancient editions disappear and look outdated. Anything in BG3 could not happen if it was using 2E ruleset instead ? I dont think so .

You do realise that people who would pirate an old edition are very likely to pirate the current one, don't you?
 

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Yes, that's what I was saying. They want the current edition to be in the spotlight and see the older ones as potential threats. That's also why every time they come up with a new edition they start to throw shit on the previous one.
How are they "throwing shit on the previous one"?
A good chunk of the marketing for 4E consisted of repeatedly stating that everyone who enjoyed 3.x was a munchkin unable to appreciate a real RPG. With 5E they toned down the verbal abuse, but still acted in the most harmful possible ways towards fans of previous editions, taking down online resources very useful to everyone who was still playing 3.5. Obviously, they had the right to do so, but conveniently acted only when they needed to steer the player base towards the new edition.

That's not dumb, if people realize they can just use old editions, probably a pirated version , and do pretty much the same thing ,having the same fun , maybe more, thats very bad for business and why hire all those guys . They have to make ancient editions disappear and look outdated. Anything in BG3 could not happen if it was using 2E ruleset instead ? I dont think so .
That's absolutely not true. People can still use old editions (you can still buy virtually any book ever published on DriveThruRPG), and yet everyone uses 5E. Not because WotC acted with hostility towards previous editions, but because they anticipated the desire of the general public for a simple and straightforward edition (and, partially, because they relied on the right influencers).

Their new public would never decide to play AD&D. There are more numbers in the AD&D table to determine AC bonuses against different weapon types than in the entirety of 5E.
 

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A good chunk of the marketing for 4E consisted of repeatedly stating that everyone who enjoyed 3.x was a munchkin unable to appreciate a real RPG.
But there are people who focus on the combat side of things so much that they consider RPGs with very little to no combat to not be RPGs at all. "Murderhobo" is a word that's used pretty frequently on RPG Codex. As is "combatfag" (or "storyfag", for that matter).

With 5E they toned down the verbal abuse, but still acted in the most harmful possible ways towards fans of previous editions, taking down online resources very useful to everyone who was still playing 3.5. Obviously, they had the right to do so, but conveniently acted only when they needed to steer the player base towards the new edition.
Eh, that's just "good business".
 
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It's not "you can go play AD&D!" it's "Why would I play a product that's no longer supported and the current edition is developed by people who hate me?"

I wouldn't buy a single print-on-demand book to begin with because WotC doesn't deserve a single cent for something they didn't create.
 

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A good chunk of the marketing for 4E consisted of repeatedly stating that everyone who enjoyed 3.x was a munchkin unable to appreciate a real RPG.
this is a good argument though

It kind of is, but only if you appreciate the irony of it coming from 4E. The thing was a glorified board game with no board, not a "real RPG". Ever wonder why all those D&D board games like Castle Ravenloft are literally just lite versions of 4E? It's literally all that shit rule set is good for.

At least 3.xE can be used for a variety of things, including autistically detailed character building power fantasies and combat. Maybe not as autistic as something like Rolemaster, but still.
 

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