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Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
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Better than a week after!
Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
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With Starfield releasing Sep. 6th, it's quite bold of Swen to try and steal the start a week early... but not as suicidal as CDPR dropping Phantom Liberty twenty days after it.They should either delay the game or launch a few weeks early.
No point going toe to toe with Starfield, arguably the most hyped game this year, if not the decade.
which one has more hype behind it currently Cyberpunk or Starfield? Certainly not BG3With Starfield releasing Sep. 6th, it's quite bold of Swen to try and steal the start a week early... but not as suicidal as CDPR dropping Phantom Liberty twenty days after it.They should either delay the game or launch a few weeks early.
No point going toe to toe with Starfield, arguably the most hyped game this year, if not the decade.
They're both bigger "brands" than BG3 today on the back of their studio pedigrees and marketing budgets, let's not forget some folks have been reluctant to accept Larian's title as a AAA production altogether. Swen's making a good call trying to get out in front, though it's very close to Starfield's release date, I agree that it might be a smart move to crack the whip and bring the schedule up mid-August. BG3's target demographic wouldn't necessarily find itself completely inside of Starfield's much larger customer base, but the black hole that will be the marketing run up to Bethesda's release may limit Larian's wider reach.which one has more hype behind it currently Cyberpunk or Starfield? Certainly not BG3
I can already see the youtube headlines “disastrous launch” “the rise and fall of BG3” “Todd claims another victim”
Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
Lol, amerijank like bethesda crap has zero chance against my game.
I can already visualize this. This is disgusting to read, literally sick to my stomach. "Gamer like me", bitch you were born yesterday, shut the fuck up. Game urinalists and influencers pollute the industry."What was the first time you heard about Baldur's Gate 3? If you're a gamer like me, it was probably some discussion or footage of the early access build. And when did you see that footage? Probably around the release right? A few months or a year? Or more likely it was in 2020 when the early access actually released. Now let me ask you a second question. When was the first time you saw people playing the full game? At release, right? Well - *gets interrupted by montage of Starfield*. Yeah. So maybe not. Today we're going to be looking into Baldur's Gate 3, and why the third entry in a classic and beloved franchise made by a team with experience, money, and a history of quality games, had a release that was so...forgettable. *intro plays*"
They could always delay it to december and go for the chrismas. I'm sure Larian could find something to optimize during that several months.They're both bigger "brands" than BG3 today on the back of their studio pedigrees and marketing budgets, let's not forget some folks have been reluctant to accept Larian's title as a AAA production altogether. Swen's making a good call trying to get out in front, though it's very close to Starfield's release date, I agree that it might be a smart move to crack the whip and bring the schedule up mid-August. BG3's target demographic wouldn't necessarily find itself completely inside of Starfield's much larger customer base, but the black hole that will be the marketing run up to Bethesda's release may limit Larian's wider reach.which one has more hype behind it currently Cyberpunk or Starfield? Certainly not BG3
But there's another important factor here, it's not just the competition but also that "back to school" window that Larian probably don't wanna miss on. You go early to mid-August, you might find tons of potential customers aren't paying attention from their beachside towels, you know? Release dates are complicated affair.
As for between the two big dogs, I'd give it to Starfield. First, Phantom Liberty's an expansion versus Todd's First Game in Eight Years™, second, it's an expansion to a nearly three year-old game that did not enjoy the best reception the first time around. I think CDPR made a bad call with this release date, they should've gone for the beginning of October. But there's no changing that now, slapping PL with a delay would hearken back CBP's protracted release... and all the baggage that went with it.
Larian's RPG is the definition of "CRPG for normies". Of course their auidences has very little overlap with actually CRPG players. And they try extra hard with BG 3 to appeal to the mainstream players. One of the first things they say in their marketing is "we have motion captured sex scenes with tons of different positions".Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
Two different target audiences. I mean, Sawyer said in GDC that there was little to no overlap in Larian audience and Pillars audience.
IDK how SF will impact BG3 sales. IMO will impact a bit but would't be like Elex 2 which launched close to Elden Ring. I don't get why PB decided to do it. Why?
Lol, amerijank like bethesda crap has zero chance against my game.
IS the opposite. More action based games tends to outsell turn based games. Seems like the "marketcap" for turn based RPG's is between 5 to 10 million, by combining DOS2 total sales with Pillars and Pathfinder Kingmaker + WoTR. Meanwhile, the marketcap for action RPG's is much bigger. Elden Ring alone got over 20 million copies sold despite not being on sale ever and having high requirements.
Even in the past, Baldur's Gate 1/2 got much more popularity than SSI games exactly due it being RtWP. Probably most RPG inthusiasts in PC at least have it in his backlog, now the 90s TURN BASED AD&D adaptations, only few grognards like Myself did checked and played Dark Sun : Sattered Lands and wake of the ravager. And I"m not even talking about Gold/Silver box which would be pretty hard to get used to for anyone younger than 30 yo.
Bethesda is bigger than both of them. Bethesda's "Skyrim in space" will be the most played game of the year. Bethesda targets literally everybody who is interested in RPGs and then some.Two different target audiences. I mean, Sawyer said in GDC that there was little to no overlap in Larian audience and Pillars audience.
Its a valid concern around initial sales figures, I am going to buy both games but not straight awayWith Starfield releasing Sep. 6th, it's quite bold of Swen to try and steal the start a week early... but not as suicidal as CDPR dropping Phantom Liberty twenty days after it.They should either delay the game or launch a few weeks early.
No point going toe to toe with Starfield, arguably the most hyped game this year, if not the decade.
People call me a normie and Im buying both games, is that why Im a normie?Larian's RPG is the definition of "CRPG for normies". Of course their auidences has very little overlap with actually CRPG players. And they try extra hard with BG 3 to appeal to the mainstream players. One of the first things they say in their marketing is "we have motion captured sex scenes with tons of different positions".Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
Two different target audiences. I mean, Sawyer said in GDC that there was little to no overlap in Larian audience and Pillars audience.
IDK how SF will impact BG3 sales. IMO will impact a bit but would't be like Elex 2 which launched close to Elden Ring. I don't get why PB decided to do it. Why?
Lol, amerijank like bethesda crap has zero chance against my game.
IS the opposite. More action based games tends to outsell turn based games. Seems like the "marketcap" for turn based RPG's is between 5 to 10 million, by combining DOS2 total sales with Pillars and Pathfinder Kingmaker + WoTR. Meanwhile, the marketcap for action RPG's is much bigger. Elden Ring alone got over 20 million copies sold despite not being on sale ever and having high requirements.
Even in the past, Baldur's Gate 1/2 got much more popularity than SSI games exactly due it being RtWP. Probably most RPG inthusiasts in PC at least have it in his backlog, now the 90s TURN BASED AD&D adaptations, only few grognards like Myself did checked and played Dark Sun : Sattered Lands and wake of the ravager. And I"m not even talking about Gold/Silver box which would be pretty hard to get used to for anyone younger than 30 yo.
And Starfield is the definition of "RPG for nomies". So it will impact BG 3 big time, because they are literally targeting the exact same group of people.
that's not correct. Hype and what everybody is currently playing plays a big role in what people buy. If everybody is playing BG3 and it's popular on twitch and youtube you are much more exposed and likely to buy the game. I guess it makes sense for Larian to try and get a week of hype before Starfield absolutely takes over.But the main point being neither company will lose sales figures, they will just be delayed as gamers buy one game before another. But fans will buy both
Yes but lots of gamers love both Larian and Bethesda games so they will buy both both games but at different times, so both companies will see the revenue stream for the salethat's not correct. Hype and what everybody is currently playing plays a big role in what people buy. If everybody is playing BG3 and it's popular on twitch and youtube you are much more exposed and likely to buy the game. I guess it makes sense for Larian to try and get a week of hype before Starfield absolutely takes over.But the main point being neither company will lose sales figures, they will just be delayed as gamers buy one game before another. But fans will buy both
I think most people buy games and never play them. Just look at steam achievements %. Or at the avg. gamer’s backlog. That’s because they buy it because they’ve seen it somewhere and bought it on impulse. That’s a big market imo, people who buy a game because they saw it on twitch/youtube etc.Yes but lots of gamers love both Larian and Bethesda games so they will buy both both games but at different times, so both companies will see the revenue stream for the salethat's not correct. Hype and what everybody is currently playing plays a big role in what people buy. If everybody is playing BG3 and it's popular on twitch and youtube you are much more exposed and likely to buy the game. I guess it makes sense for Larian to try and get a week of hype before Starfield absolutely takes over.But the main point being neither company will lose sales figures, they will just be delayed as gamers buy one game before another. But fans will buy both
But if you dont like Bethesda games, for example, then you not ever going to buy Starfield so the release date is irrelevant. The release date of BG3 is not going to change this purchasing decision
I'm pretty sure the majories of Codex will play both games(whether they buy it or not I can't say), and probabbly shit on both games as well.People call me a normie and Im buying both games, is that why Im a normie?Larian's RPG is the definition of "CRPG for normies". Of course their auidences has very little overlap with actually CRPG players. And they try extra hard with BG 3 to appeal to the mainstream players. One of the first things they say in their marketing is "we have motion captured sex scenes with tons of different positions".Launching week before Starfield, ohboy.
Two different target audiences. I mean, Sawyer said in GDC that there was little to no overlap in Larian audience and Pillars audience.
IDK how SF will impact BG3 sales. IMO will impact a bit but would't be like Elex 2 which launched close to Elden Ring. I don't get why PB decided to do it. Why?
Lol, amerijank like bethesda crap has zero chance against my game.
IS the opposite. More action based games tends to outsell turn based games. Seems like the "marketcap" for turn based RPG's is between 5 to 10 million, by combining DOS2 total sales with Pillars and Pathfinder Kingmaker + WoTR. Meanwhile, the marketcap for action RPG's is much bigger. Elden Ring alone got over 20 million copies sold despite not being on sale ever and having high requirements.
Even in the past, Baldur's Gate 1/2 got much more popularity than SSI games exactly due it being RtWP. Probably most RPG inthusiasts in PC at least have it in his backlog, now the 90s TURN BASED AD&D adaptations, only few grognards like Myself did checked and played Dark Sun : Sattered Lands and wake of the ravager. And I"m not even talking about Gold/Silver box which would be pretty hard to get used to for anyone younger than 30 yo.
And Starfield is the definition of "RPG for nomies". So it will impact BG 3 big time, because they are literally targeting the exact same group of people.
Fair enough, I am not considering that group which does exist. Its strange to think anyone would buy such anticipated games and not play them but that does happen. I have many unplayed games on Steam and GOG but they not as hyped as these gamesI think most people buy games and never play them. Just look at steam achievements %. Or at the avg. gamer’s backlog. That’s because they buy it because they’ve seen it somewhere and bought it on impulse. That’s a big market imo, people who buy a game because they saw it on twitch/youtube etc.Yes but lots of gamers love both Larian and Bethesda games so they will buy both both games but at different times, so both companies will see the revenue stream for the salethat's not correct. Hype and what everybody is currently playing plays a big role in what people buy. If everybody is playing BG3 and it's popular on twitch and youtube you are much more exposed and likely to buy the game. I guess it makes sense for Larian to try and get a week of hype before Starfield absolutely takes over.But the main point being neither company will lose sales figures, they will just be delayed as gamers buy one game before another. But fans will buy both
But if you dont like Bethesda games, for example, then you not ever going to buy Starfield so the release date is irrelevant. The release date of BG3 is not going to change this purchasing decision
My point is more that every streamer, news site, etc. will be covering Starfield, which means very little exposure for BG3 after the initial first week, and thus less sales.Fair enough, I am not considering that group which does exist. Its strange to think anyone would buy such anticipated games and not play them but that does happen. I have many unplayed games on Steam and GOG but they not as hyped as these gamesI think most people buy games and never play them. Just look at steam achievements %. Or at the avg. gamer’s backlog. That’s because they buy it because they’ve seen it somewhere and bought it on impulse. That’s a big market imo, people who buy a game because they saw it on twitch/youtube etc.Yes but lots of gamers love both Larian and Bethesda games so they will buy both both games but at different times, so both companies will see the revenue stream for the salethat's not correct. Hype and what everybody is currently playing plays a big role in what people buy. If everybody is playing BG3 and it's popular on twitch and youtube you are much more exposed and likely to buy the game. I guess it makes sense for Larian to try and get a week of hype before Starfield absolutely takes over.But the main point being neither company will lose sales figures, they will just be delayed as gamers buy one game before another. But fans will buy both
But if you dont like Bethesda games, for example, then you not ever going to buy Starfield so the release date is irrelevant. The release date of BG3 is not going to change this purchasing decision
But both companies will still see revenue for these examples even if they remain unplayed
I never gave any estimated sales numbers.Target audience or not, I feel like you people are massively overestimating how many people that are genuinely interested in playing both games - especially at launch.