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[Turtle-Zone 3000]

 

[Van-d-all]

With an AAA budget.

And that's an issue. AAA product requires AAA sales, and those imply as wide audience as possible, ergo a shallow game.

 

[Mazisky]

I see no timer or clock in the UI: so, they are not making a day night cycle just like Dos1 and 2? Because all Bgs had it.

This would be a total decline.

 

[Lacrymas]

With an AAA budget.

And that's an issue. AAA product requires AAA sales, and those imply as wide audience as possible, ergo a shallow game.

Like I said, I expect this to be Larian's swansong because a lengthy TB RPG is not AAA territory. I don't really see how they would manage to spread it as wide as possible with the other aspects. Graphics? Ok, but everything else? It doesn't seem like it's ripe for lowest common denominator.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

With an AAA budget.

And that's an issue. AAA product requires AAA sales, and those imply as wide audience as possible, ergo a shallow game.

Like I said, I expect this to be Larian's swansong because a lengthy TB RPG is not AAA territory.

You should get a job as a publisher.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

With an AAA budget.

And that's an issue. AAA product requires AAA sales, and those imply as wide audience as possible, ergo a shallow game.

Like I said, I expect this to be Larian's swansong because a lengthy TB RPG is not AAA territory.

You should get a job as a publisher.

I'm guessing that it pays well to be a male prostitute in Berlin and he enjoys it too))

 

[Mortmal]

So I really can't be excited about something just because it's AAA.

It's not only because it's AAA, it's because it's the first ever turn-based D&D RPG ever. With an AAA budget. Yeah, I guess that budget forces them into a weird modern 3D space and I hate that, but eh, we'll see how it turns out. I would have preferred a bit more style over generic 3D, but I also know you win some you lose some.

Grunker, I meant the corresponding D&D edition, i.e. 3 or 3.5. AD&D also has such a problem, though, but it's confined only the mages really.

You are right, its the biggest real D&D crpg with such a huge budget , it's really ballsy from larian. As for it looking generic, its the forgotten realms, they cant do miracle… One can hope if it works good we get new settings after that.

 

[Van-d-all]

It doesn't seem like it's ripe for lowest common denominator.

Oh it does. Like nuXcom.

 

[Danikas]

LOL Divinity 2 reskin.

 

[Saravan]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm guessing that it pays well to be a male prostitute in Berlin and he enjoys it too))

It actually does. I'm not in Berlin or a prostitute, but being a callboy is extremely lucrative. Like ~200 Euro an hour.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

LOL Divinity 2 reskin.

Didn't even get the game right, genius.

 

[jf8350143]

The budget didn't really look that high tbh.

The graphics looks quite dated by today's standard.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I'm guessing that it pays well to be a male prostitute in Berlin and he enjoys it too))

It actually does. I'm not in Berlin or a prostitute, but being a callboy is extremely lucrative.

That doesn't surprise me at all, s1sede.

 

[Delterius]

isometric turn-based RPG

high fidelity cinematic dialogue

this is the one permutation i didn't expect tbh

 

[Daidre]

Untrue, at least when we're talking sca The problem is vastly bigger in 3.5/PF than in AD&D (and I say this as someone who loves 3.5/PF and really dislikes AD&D). Reason being AD&D's layers of spell protection, which is also what ultimately leads to Baldur's Gate on SCS being so interesting.

Correct me if I am wrong, but BG's layers of spell protections were never a thing in any (A)D&D edition.

Completely broken spells that give unlimited immunity to all weapons for a 4(!) rounds is purely Bioware's creation and exist only as a crutch to give AI fighting chance. Remove it, and all concept of mage duel falls apart and it is an only thing that salvages high level fights in BG 2.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Untrue, at least when we're talking sca The problem is vastly bigger in 3.5/PF than in AD&D (and I say this as someone who loves 3.5/PF and really dislikes AD&D). Reason being AD&D's layers of spell protection, which is also what ultimately leads to Baldur's Gate on SCS being so interesting.

Correct me if I am wrong, but BG's layers of spell protections were never a thing in any (A)D&D edition.

Completely broken spells that gives unlimited immunity to all weapons for a 4(!) rounds is purely Bioware's creation and exist only as a crutch to give AI fighting chance. Remove it, and all concept of mage duel falls apart and itis a only thing that salvages high level fights in BG 2.

Many things in the BG games aren't true to the rules. A bunch of splat rules are applied incorrectly, many divine and arcane spells are mixed up, spells at the wrong level, a bunch of things pulled from unofficial sources, etc.,

 

[Verylittlefishes]

The budget didn't really look that high tbh.

The graphics looks quite dated by today's standard.

It is not that this is dated, it looks generic cartoonish bright colors pow-wow as fuck.

 

[Ausdoerrt]

DOS2 was immensely popular despite being a messy pile of what the hell and a clear downgrade over #1 in most areas.

It had a more generic / mainstream story, which is what sold it to most people, I think. DOS1 was more like proof of concept.

Which this will have to an even higher degree, only support my point :D

Not arguing - I prefer DOS1, myself.

This honestly astounds me. I know plenty of people with fairly diverse gaming tastes, casual and hardcore but none like DoS2, yet online it seems popular and it has good player numbers of steam. Where do all these people come from? Who are they?

Like, other people who play games outside of this forum and your immediate circle? Also, non-RPG gamers? In any case, DOS made enough dough to warrant a kickstarter for a tabletop game, ffs. It's popular, alright.

People wanted PoE-esque art with good D&D-based combat (whether turn-based or rtwp) and normal-looking dialogue. As it is now, when it comes to successors, PoE wins art, Kingmaker wins combat and writing (low bar), BG3 wins, uh... maybe the combat will hold up?

PoE wins art, really? Was it the uncanny valley portraits, Unity-quality character models, or the samey environments?

 

[Grunker]

Untrue, at least when we're talking sca The problem is vastly bigger in 3.5/PF than in AD&D (and I say this as someone who loves 3.5/PF and really dislikes AD&D). Reason being AD&D's layers of spell protection, which is also what ultimately leads to Baldur's Gate on SCS being so interesting.

Correct me if I am wrong, but BG's layers of spell protections were never a thing in any (A)D&D edition.

Completely broken spells that give unlimited immunity to all weapons for a 4(!) rounds is purely Bioware's creation and exist only as a crutch to give AI fighting chance. Remove it, and all concept of mage duel falls apart and it is an only thing that salvages high level fights in BG 2.

I'm talking about protection from spells specifically, not stuff like immunity to weapons. The skeleton for these exist in the rules, it was just built upon in the IE-games.

And don't cite me for calling AD&D balanced on higher levels, please. Anyone who knows anything about me will know I think the exact opposite. Even so, it cannot compete with PF/3.5 in this regard, and the main reason is the vast increase in complexity.

In any case, my point still stands even if the reason isn't the same. And Kingmaker uses even more basic crutches, such as the aforementioned piles and piles of stats heaped on top of opponents. Yet it is not near enough to stop combat from being an auto-attack fest past level 8. In rare occassions, you will have to buff before auto-attacking and in even rarer cases the game gives an enemy immunity to all conventional attacks meaning you have to use something incredibly specific (or use Deadly Earth spam) to defeat it. These latter encounters are not difficult tactically, they only demand you identify the correct strategic solution (...or Deadly Earth spam...) after which you just apply that ad nauseam. And they really only exist at the end of the game.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

the answer to mage duels is always keldorn

 

[Lyric Suite]

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

Imagine thinking we could have incline for a change.

I'll probably buy it when it's like 80% off and never play it, like i did with Pillars and nuTorment lmao

RIP childhood, never to be seen again.

 

[frajaq]

I only dislike that this leaked while I asleep...

 

[Daidre]

I'm talking about protection from spells specifically, not stuff like immunity to weapons. The skeleton for these exist in the rules, it was just built upon in the IE-games.

And don't cite me for calling AD&D balanced on higher levels, please. Anyone who knows anything about me will know I think the exact opposite. Even so, it cannot compete with PF/3.5 in this regard, and the main reason is the vast increase in complexity.

I just tried to say that AD&D in general (that I know nothing about, I admit) and its Bioware's implementation in BG 2 are completely different animals.
So discussion AD&D vs D&D 3.5/Pathfinder where all arguments are fished from corresponding games is more a BG2 vs Kingmaker kind of argument? None of them is close enough to PnP for this to be a proper talk about PnP systems.

 

[Decado]

The first person narrative of the dialog is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in a video game. Ever. It is horrible. This is what I mean about Larian and their goofy-ass approach to things. Why do they do this? What is the benefit of introducing such a horribly clunky narrative style? It is pure garbage, infuriating to read. Any half-decent writer in English would have told Sven this is a terrible fucking idea.