Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Tytus]

here you don't even know if it is a dialogue option or some inner monologue option,it is even worst than the sarcastic fallout 4 shit. At least in fallout 4 you do know that you will say something.

True. I hope they will retool it.

 

[Bara]

I liked the demo. Writing is the most jarring and edgy.
I disliked that vampire self-persuasion check. Wtf was that all about.

I'm hopping that Wits/Ints check that came up during camping was the character trying to focus on anything else so they're able to sleep while ignoring the fact they have a worm in their brain.

And on top of that I hope if that is the case and the check is failed we get fatigue status.

 

[Riddler]

Actually why does Initiative works in different manner? Isn't every creature having different Initiative the whole point? They messed up it in DOS2 now again?

Really confusing since having a computer keeping track of initiative solves any issues relating to it that exists in tabletop.

 

[Surf Solar]

So this shit is 'Baldurs Gate' in name only? Hard pass, sorry Sven.

 

[ItsChon]

Yes, but because of how RTwP is structured the fight basically turns into a gimped version of a TB combat, thus defeating the sense of RTwP in it's entirely.

Just absurd. Regardless of how many times you pause, RTwP feels fundamentally different to TB, and you pretending otherwise means you're being disingenuous, or you're just retarded and there is no need to talk to you.

I'm surprised you don't see the biggest issue here. When you have a fight when you don't have resort to severe microing it's a boring trash mob auto-combat most of the time, basically making me fall asleep because I have nothing substantial to do. And in RTwP you have much much more trash mobs. Which is basically wasting my time. And when you encounter something more difficult you can't actually use the full potential a proper TB system would give you. RTwP is marriage of RT and TB giving you the worst features of both of them.

It's not a waste of time, and I explained already explained why. The game world and setting require said trash, auto-combat mobs to be there for the atmosphere and story to work. Let's not pretend that taking an extra three-ten minutes on a map/screen/room spread out over a half hour is enough to make you fall asleep. As someone said earlier, gamers today are so fucking lazy and want every little thing to be spoon fed to them. God forbid you have to do the tiniest bit of work.

Yeah the feature should called Worst of Both Worlds.

You went from calling it an issue to saying it's a bad feature. Make up your mind.

Character build is on you (thus enforcing my point), and you can't hold RNG shit against TB because you can be fucked by RNG Gods in RTwP aswell. Miss a couple of swings in a row and you might be dead. It be should used as a strike because exploits only appear if the design itself allows it. And RTwP greatly encourages it. In TB this issue is nullified by the combat instances itself. Because all the enemies in the combat encounter are activated (exception to this is a retardation like Nu-Xcom pods, but that's a separate issue) you don't have such stupid shit like your party murdering two goblins only a room away and the rest of the horde is hearing their screaming and doing nothing because of bad design.

Kiting is easily done in TB games though, so your point is moot. Let's not pretend for a second that plenty of turn based games aren't filled with trash mobs and exploitable game mechanics. I edited this in to my original post but I guess you didn't see it.

You disagree because you are wrong

Sick analysis bro.

Sure tons of in situation like that is somewhat explainable but only somewhat. But what isn't explainable being outnumbered greatly in every encounter killing hordes of bandits and monsters before breakfast. It also an appeal to the lowest common denominator. Oh look you are basically a god murdering entire armies all by yourself is the quality writing for brain dead 13 year olds that think power fantasy stories are peak narratives. TB forces the designer/writer to make some excuse how can you fight an army without throwing hundreds of thrash mobs against you. And it's typically handwaves like "it's actually a battle and more fights are going around you" "rest of the army is being distracted somehow and you going to destroy the leadership/McGuffin." It makes the setting and story more grounded, more believable. RTwP encourages sloppy design not only in gameplay but also in the narrative. Thus it will always be inferior.

The issue of being a god has nothing to do with RTwP. Make IWD TB and have all those mobs in, and you wouldn't be any less of a God as you killed them all. You don't know what you're talking about, and this paragraph is inane and nonsensical.

Lolk. You seem to be unable to look past your personal tastes, and understand that aspects you enjoy about RTwP are inherently inferior to TB. But it's ok. Everyone can have their guilty pleasures

Mhm, right.

Pointless to argue with such a person. You're trying so hard to squeeze a square peg into a round hole. None of your reasons for why RTwP is objectively worse than TB are valid. Instead of saying you prefer one to the other you have to pretend or just buy into whatever bullshit arguments you've spewed onto the page. Unreasonable people are all over the world, but when they're behind a screen, they get even more insufferable.

 

[NJClaw]

Can you imagine actually being so retarded that your first question after the presentation is "can you respec your companions?". You just saw the gameplay of Baldur's Gate 3 and it's turn based, you just saw some pretty controversial things and a hot half-elf that you obviously want to have sex with. You just heard the words "I am gonna dip my bow into the fire". You are the second person that can ask a question to the man behind MOTHERFUCKING BALDUR'S GATE 3 and what do you ask?

"Is it possible to respec your companions?". What the actual fuck.

Have these people even ever played a videogame? Do these people even exist?

 

[reavor]

So it's a DnD-style mod for Divinity OS. Will probably get it, but know that it's Baldur's Gate in name only.

 

[Black]

What I still don't get is why some Cthulhu rejects are treated as an apocalyptic threat? In the previous game you literally had stakes so high the gods of the setting deemed it important to talk to you in person.

Here we have a bunch of nobodies who are gonna be turned into some regular mind flayers and maybe an attack on the city by one big ship... seems kinda low on the cosmic danger scale.

I'd like it if the stakes were actually down from the usual "we're all going to die if you won't help, <CHARNAME>" but that's probably beyond Larian's capabilities.

 

[Jimmious]

Are we actually debating if TB is better than RTwP? What the fuck happened to the Codex? Of course it's better, RTwP was the start of the decline, remember everyone?

you just saw some pretty controversial things

Controversial things? Like?

a hot half-elf that you obviously want to have sex with

And what should he ask about that? DO WE REALLY GET TO HAVE SEX WITH THE HOT HALF-ELF? *HEAVY BREATHING*

 

[fantadomat]

Can you imagine actually being so retarded that your first question after the presentation is "can you respec your companions?". You just saw the gameplay of Baldur's Gate 3 and it's turn based, you just saw some pretty controversial things and a hot half-elf that you obviously want to have sex with. You just heard the words "I am gonna dip my bow into the fire". You are the second person that can ask a question to the man behind MOTHERFUCKING BALDUR'S GATE 3 and what do you ask?

"Is it possible to respec your companions?". What the actual fuck.

Have these people even ever played a videogame? Do these people even exist?

Ahhh most of them were most likely a bunch of journos and popamolists. Any true fan would have left half way trough the video. To go dip his bow in to some fire.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm glad nobody asked why it's "not like the BGs", it was only going to be awkward and cringe. If I were there, I'd have asked whether we can multiclass and how big the party is, maybe also if we can have custom companions. And I'm always amazed at the amount of degeneracy RTwP vs TB discussions can evoke, we've had this conversation 5934859430 times, TB is clearly superior, just look for any other thread about it and stop polluting this one.

 

[Volrath]

When exactly did the Codex get infested with these rtwp loving retards?

 

[Tytus]

It's not a waste of time, and I explained already explained why. The game world and setting require said trash, auto-combat mobs to be there for the atmosphere and story to work. Let's not pretend that taking an extra three-ten minutes on a map/screen/room spread out over a half hour is enough to make you fall asleep. As someone said earlier, gamers today are so fucking lazy and want every little thing to be spoon fed to them. God forbid you have to do the tiniest bit of work.

LoL. Story. Yeah right. That's the problem with action games and why games aren't considered art by many. Good movies/books don't have a main character destroying dozens of faceless mooks for armosphere. This is reserved for retarded Hollywood crap and capeshit. A good story is basically an exercise in moderation and self-restraint. TB encourages this, RTwP discourages it. And if the game world "requires" said trash it only means the setting itself is trash, or maybe, just maybe, RTwP is to blame here. Because PnP D&D seems to not have this problem

And waiting is not the problem here. TB can have much longer encounters but they are actually engaging. But hey if you think trash auto-combat is work and is something good, something required to build atmosphere, that only shows the level of entertainment you desire

And that's just sad.

You went from calling it an issue to saying it's a bad feature. Make up your mind.

I was calling it feature as figure of speech. Because this issue is so ingrained that nobody (in my opinion) was able to solve it. So yes it's bad. Whatever you want to call it.

Sick analysis bro.

I know, high IQ - I'm basically a genius.

The issue of being a god has nothing to do with RTwP. Make IWD TB and have all those mobs in, and you wouldn't be any less of a God as you killed them all. You don't know what you're talking about, and this paragraph is inane and nonsensical.

LOL. IWD TB would not have this amount of mobs, because it would be TB. You still seem to not understand the simplest of issues. RTwP needs to fill time with something so it throws trash mobs against you over and over. To the point making the entire situation just silly and turning the party into demigods even on lower levels making the nartive worse for it. In TB by nature of the system you need to have less enemies, giving the setting and story much more needed restraint. So yes it has everything to do with RTwP with the fact RTwP games are by nature action games first and foremost. You don't know what you're talking about, your paragraph was inane and nonsensical.

Pointless to argue with such a person.

Right back at you, champ

 

[NJClaw]

So it's a DnD-style mod for Divinity OS. Will probably get it, but know that it's Baldur's Gate in name only.

No, you clearly didn't follow the presentation. You can bang an half-elf divine spellcaster. That's the core of the BG games.

Controversial things? Like?

"Controversial" in the context of BG legacy, things like the generic D:OS art style and dialogue probably written by someone who has never spoken a word in his entire life. Also "controversial" in the context of being a D&D game, like some big discrepancies from D&D 5 ruleset.

And what should he ask about that? DO WE REALLY GET TO HAVE SEX WITH THE HOT HALF-ELF? *HEAVY BREATHING*

I can't find a "the joke, you" emoticon.

Ahhh most of them were most likely a bunch of journos and popamolists. Any true fan would have left half way trough the video. To go dip his bow in to some fire.

Another reason why we need to burn all the journalists (and then dip our bows into the flames).

 

[Reinhardt]

When exactly did the Codex get infested with these rtwp loving retards?

Just look at codex GOTY voting... This place is doomed.

 

[Lacrymas]

When exactly did the Codex get infested with these rtwp loving retards?

They have always been here, lurking and biding their time, or not voicing their clearly inferior tastes. There's a huge silent subset of the 'Dex that votes on GOTY polls and that's why we have contradicting results, like Twitcher 3 and AoD being tied for first place. They also have almost 0 experience with TB games, especially when they say bewildering things like "RTwP is faster" when a properly made TB lets you skip animations or executes all the enemies' turns at the same time depending on the combat system.

 

[FeelTheRads]

You don't know what you're talking about, your paragraph was inane and nonsensical.

The poor disabled kid tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about (ie comparing 5ED with 2ED, like he actually has any clue about any of them, let alone enough to make comparisons ) because he thinks that gives validity to his "rtwp iz goooooooooood" screeching. And then he accuses others of not just saying they prefer one over the other. Of course, others have just opinions, only he has facts.

 

[ItsChon]

I'm glad nobody asked why it's "not like the BGs", it was only going to be awkward and cringe. If I were there, I'd have asked whether we can multiclass and how big the party is.

That's cause you're a low-T cuck. If I was there I would have asked why in God's name they used the Baldur's Gate IP if they were going to so clearly deviate from the spirit of the original games in the series. Was it worth raping the corpse of a beloved franchise for a few extra dollars?

When exactly did the Codex get infested with these rtwp loving retards?

Shut up faggot.

LoL. Story. Yeah right. That's the problem with action games and why games aren't considered art by many.

Games aren't art lmao. Imagine trying to compare a game to something like the Sistine Chapel, or even a beautiful painting. Your neckbeard is showing.

Good movies/books don't have a main character destroying dozens of faceless mooks for armosphere. This is reserved for retarded Hollywood crap and capeshit. A good story is basically an exercise in moderation and self-restraint. TB encourages this, RTwP discourages it. And if the game world "requires" said trash it only means the setting itself is trash, or maybe, just maybe, RTwP is to blame here. Because PnP D&D seems to not have this problem

What the literal fuck are you talking about? Turn-based games can also be filled with trash mobs. Just because there is a tendency for RTwP games to have trash mobs doesn't mean TB games can't suffer from the same issues. There are also many ways for games to suffer from Hollywood crap and capeshit that are not mutually exclusive to trash mobs, and none of what you described is inherent to RTwP. What the fuck are you even saying?

nd waiting is not the problem here. TB can have much longer encounters but they are actually engaging.

Lmao. Longer, TB encounters, don't automatically mean they're engaging. Like I said, there are maybe like 10-20 good RPGs, so far more games fuck up TB than get it right.

I was calling it feature as figure of speech. Because this issue is so ingrained that nobody (in my opinion) was able to solve it. So yes it's bad. Whatever you want to call it.

It's an issue to you. To the many people that love the IE games and consider them to be the greatest RPGs of all time, it's a feature. You have no authority or credibility, and your opinion on what is an issue or not means nothing.

Nigga is retarded, waste of time to keep talking. Have fun playing your popamole SHIT. Bet you liked FO:NV.

 

[reavor]

So it's a DnD-style mod for Divinity OS. Will probably get it, but know that it's Baldur's Gate in name only.

No, you clearly didn't follow the presentation. You can bang an half-elf divine spellcaster. That's the core of the BG games.

So? In divinity you can bang a skeleton-dude. Also, unfortunately, in BG there are no half-elf romances, only pure elves, or human.

 

[ItsChon]

You don't know what you're talking about, your paragraph was inane and nonsensical.

The poor disabled kid tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about (ie comparing 5ED with 2ED, like he actually has any clue about any of them, let alone enough to make comparisons ) because he thinks that gives validity to his "rtwp iz goooooooooood" screeching. And then he accuses others of not just saying they prefer one over the other. Of course, others have just opinions, only he has facts.

Cute that you quote him but not me. Like I said, don't talk put my name in your mouth faggot. When you kill yourself, I don't want to be blamed for cyber-bullying.

 

[Jimmious]

"Controversial" in the context of BG legacy, things like the generic D:OS art style and dialogue probably written by someone who has never spoken a word in his entire life. Also "controversial" in the context of being a D&D game, like some big discrepancies from D&D 5 ruleset.

Well, look, the BG games are pretty old by now and nobody outside a small subset of people really cared for a "faithful" sequel. You have to understand that to go forward.
What you see as controversial is more or less expected for the majority of gamers.
Also the art style is definitely not generic, you might not like it but seeing this gameplay video I would never call that a controversy. If anything the game looked pretty.
The dialogue system is weird , I give you that. They could have asked why they chose the specific "perspective".
The ruleset... It's a faithful enough representation for a CRPG. I would even say that they surprised me with how much they stuck to the rules. I was expecting a lot of "novelty".

 

[Lacrymas]

That's cause you're a low-T cuck. If I was there I would have asked why in God's name they used the Baldur's Gate IP if they were going to so clearly deviate from the spirit of the original games in the series. Was it worth raping the corpse of a beloved franchise for a few extra dollars?

I wish I were low-T, I would've had a weaker sex drive then and it wouldn't distract me so much. This is not raping a beloved franchise, the BGs were dumbed down games for casuals which tried to recycle an engine made for RTSes. This is going back to form and proper etiquette of not raping the table-top game on which it is based. The writing in both games was not great (BG1 was better) and I don't see why anyone would play them for the writing, but like I said I don't care whether they call it BG3 or not, I'm not that emotional when it comes to this franchise.

 

[Ulysa]

I really don't care about turn based. But gods, the writing, the art, the tone! It's like they didn't even try. It can't be that difficult.

Just yesterday I was playing BGII and thinking how the hell do they manage to make it so immersive and it only takes a nice background, simple good writing, epic music, a day/night cycle, a wolf howling in the distance. I only ask these silly things, but no. They insist on cartoonish 3d models with a bright palette, DUMB CYNICAL DIALOGUES, forgettable music and npc (although the composer is great! But do they even ever listened to BG main themes??????How can you not get super inspired by that??)

I hope Im wrong. The cinematic was great, its the only hint that they played the games.

 

[NJClaw]

Games aren't art lmao. Imagine trying to compare a game to something like the Sistine Chapel, or even a beautiful painting. Your neckbeard is showing.

Now you need to immediately give me an exhaustive definition of what can or cannot be art or the thread can't proceed.

That's cause you're a low-T cuck. If I was there I would have asked why in God's name they used the Baldur's Gate IP if they were going to so clearly deviate from the spirit of the original games in the series. Was it worth raping the corpse of a beloved franchise for a few extra dollars?

"Raping the corpse of a beloved franchise". Man, you need to take some chill pills.

 

[FeelTheRads]

You don't know what you're talking about, your paragraph was inane and nonsensical.

The poor disabled kid tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about (ie comparing 5ED with 2ED, like he actually has any clue about any of them, let alone enough to make comparisons ) because he thinks that gives validity to his "rtwp iz goooooooooood" screeching. And then he accuses others of not just saying they prefer one over the other. Of course, others have just opinions, only he has facts.

Cute that you quote him but not me. Like I said, don't talk put my name in your mouth faggot. When you kill yourself, I don't want to be blamed for cyber-bullying.

Some serious mental deficiency to think your retarded screeching counts as "bullying". You can't even form proper insults. The best you can come up with it is "i'm better than you".
Hopefully soon you'll graduate to "my dad can beat up your dead".