Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[NJClaw]

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What constitutes a follower? Maybe we can have permanent followers.

Spoiler

I remember Swen saying in the demo that when your camp will expand you will have your followers there also. So that might mean that followers are "not-so-detailed" party members. Aka you won't get to level them up and stuff. Who knows

I want to believe they are just like Pillars henchmen or Kingmaker mercenaries.

 

[moraes]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

 

[Lyric Suite]

for the love of god just add a skip animations toggle to the turn based game

both jrpgs and blobbers have been doing it for ten thousand years

b but jrpgs are anime degeneracy. even though unlike western games they have been continuing traditions of tb combat, tb tactics, and even blobbers (!), they're bad and there's nothing one could learn from them. r right? (holds his cinematic dialogue waifu)

Those games could be masterpieces but the animu shit IS a deal breaker. There's SOOOO much fucking shit they could cull from their history and THAT's what they decide to give us?

 

[Shadenuat]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

 

[FranticDistortion]

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What constitutes a follower? Maybe we can have permanent followers.

Spoiler

I remember Swen saying in the demo that when your camp will expand you will have your followers there also. So that might mean that followers are "not-so-detailed" party members. Aka you won't get to level them up and stuff. Who knows

Nope, camp followers are a separate thing.

You'll also be able to recruit "camp followers," who give you benefits at your nightly campsite, but don't participate in combat. D&D aficionados will be pleased to know that one potential camp follower is Volo: the gregarious adventurer who chronicles all notable goings-on in the Forgotten Realms.

 

[Shadenuat]

for the love of god just add a skip animations toggle to the turn based game

both jrpgs and blobbers have been doing it for ten thousand years

b but jrpgs are anime degeneracy. even though unlike western games they have been continuing traditions of tb combat, tb tactics, and even blobbers (!), they're bad and there's nothing one could learn from them. r right? (holds his cinematic dialogue waifu)

Those games could be masterpieces but the animu shit IS a deal breaker. There's SOOOO much fucking shit they could cull from their history and THAT's what they decide to give us?

well not all animu shit is same shit. like shrine of orm that is still slowly made by that 1 dude who likes old style fantasy anime I think many would tolerate https://twitter.com/shrineoform?lang=en

 

[Xamenos]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

Pretty easy: Just have it be mandatory and automatic.

 

[NJClaw]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

This is what they are going for in Solasta (10:17):

Spoiler

 

[Lacrymas]

How is Volo not dead yet. Ugh, Solasta's UI is cancer.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Just remove Paladin. I need no Lawful Stupid religious zealot in my party. Shoo.

Fuck you moderntard with your "grey" moral relativism shit gib me muh Paladin so i can go bring a can of Deus Vult on the filthy heretics.

Well, there you have it. Different people want a different style campaign, including at different times.

That's what I liked most about DE, it was like a PnP campaign set in the right setting and with the right tone and story for me. I didn't feel railroaded gameplay-wise, because I was already fine with the above things, and I had enough roleplaying opportunities within the constraints of the world, the story, and the predefined character.

 

[FranticDistortion]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

They can easily implement this by modifying their existing attack on opportunity.

 

[Xamenos]

How is Volo not dead yet. Ugh, Solasta's UI is cancer.

4th edition didn't mention him at all, so they just had him conveniently be Imprisoned by the eponymous spell for a century.

 

[Decado]

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Son of a dirty rotten bitch

 

[Harthwain]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size in mind)?

 

[Xamenos]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

2 extra companions to interact with and have interact with the world?

 

[Shadenuat]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

4 members more or less fall into categories of fighta roguey cleric mage.

5 gives strange classes or pair combinations (like fighta + 2 flanking rogues + casters) a go.

6 to 8 provides for even bigger flexibility due to so much open space in party composition.

 

[FranticDistortion]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

Amount of possible team compositions increases dramatically. But I don't mind it being designed around 4, battles would be too long with more.

 

[Decado]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

Well to be clear, it's a video game so there is not about it that is practical. But, the gameplay is much more interesting and much more varied when you have those two extra slots. The strategy and tactics get deeper, you can explore more classes, etc.

 

[NJClaw]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

You can experiment with more classes combinations. It's the same practical advantage of having a maximum of 4 party members over a single main character with no companions: you can have more fun controlling more characters with various classes.

 

[Delterius]

How do you mean skip animations ?

Instead of casting, moving, attacking, fucking jumping around animations and so on, things are moved around like set pieces. Every turn based games has to do a toggle.

 

[Decado]

battles would be too long

Does not fucking compute, fie and begone zoomer filth.

 

[Lyric Suite]

- just like bg our game is about your party
- but you have 2 less party members

Is there any practical advantage of having maximum of 6 party members over 4 though (assuming the encounters are designed with the maximum possible party size)?

In all those games you need to have a tank, a healer, a thief and a spellslinger. Two extra characters allows you room for customization in your party set up. Who is gonna take a bard or a druid when a cleric or a thief are more efficient in their primary roles? But with a party of six, you can take anyone you want.

There's also the whole companion thing but it seems in this game they threw that out the window with that awful dialog shit lmao.

 

[moraes]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

They can easily implement this by modifying their existing attack on opportunity.

The problem is the at-will aspect of the reaction, maybe you want to keep your attack of opportunity because you want to protect the backline or maybe you don't want to spend you reaction with this enemy in particular because its attacks are weak.

 

[Spectacle]

I'm curious how Larian plans to implement 5E at-will reactions in a turn-based system. It works in PnP because a player can just interject in the middle of an enemy turn and the DM can take it from there. Take for example the Protection fighting style that Fighters and Paladins can take:

When a creature you can see attacks a target other than you that is within 5 feet of you, you can use your reaction to impose disadvantage on the attack roll. You must be wielding a shield.

The only way I can see of implementing this in a computer game would be pausing in the middle of the enemy turn when a possible reaction is available to the player. So the system would have to be effectively turn-based with pause (TBwP).

They can easily implement this by modifying their existing attack on opportunity.

Kinda hard to make that work well when reactions can consume resources such as spell slots. You don't necessarily want to take every possible reaction in 5e.

I'm expecting that a lot of reactive abilities will be either cut or significantly tweaked. One example we know of is the Feather Fall spell. In 5e Feather Fall is a reaction spell that you can trigger when you fall, but in the gameplay demo Swen manually cast the spell before jumping off the cliff.

 

[FranticDistortion]

How do you mean skip animations ?

Instead of casting, moving, attacking, fucking jumping around animations and so on, things are moved around like set pieces. Every turn based games has to do a toggle.

You can always use cheat engine's speedhacks to speed-up the fights. Useful in any RPG be it TB or RTwP.