Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Elex]

How does that work in 5e? With ToEE's max level of 10, 3.5, you could still fight a Balor. Or Iuz.

a party of 4 lvl 10 in 5e can face an adult green dragon, deadly ecounter (Doable in 5e a decent fight is generally ranked Deadly by the CR calculation in particular a boss fight).

With proper gear and some "extra power from plot reason" even a red adult is doable.

So only the ancient tier of dragons is out of the league for a party of lvl 10.

Sidenote: an adult green dragon is an easy ecounter for a party of 6 lvl 10 character, yes the difference between a party of 4 and a party of 6 is insane in 5e.

A party of 6 lvl 10 need to fight an ancient green dragon for a deadly fight.

 

[fantadomat]

Considering lv cap = 10, you will not fight much dragons... And if you fight, will gonna be in a very gimmicky way...

Oh i do know that,i was talking generally. I really love how MM7 let you spend 30 minutes fighting a red dragon at level 1-4 . But speaking about dragons and larian.....lol it is fabulously optimistic from us to believe that we won't fight a dragon. Larain is all about that flash and not about the substance.

Symmetrical balance kills variety, not balance. Balance has nothing to do with accessibility.

Nigaa are you fucking pretending or what?

 

[fantadomat]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

I do agree mate,passage of time is an amazing thing. Seeing things chance during your life span.....is a terrifying thing,yet strangely amusing.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Are people really defending RTwP over TB? I love BG1+2 as much as the next guy and I've sunk a lot of hours in them but never have I been thinking that TB would've made them worse.

Yes. Yes it would.

Which just goes to show how the game is garbage. Let’s call this the turn-based rule:

If a cRPG becomes unplayable with the addition of turn-based combat, it is poorly designed.

There are plenty of reasons for that, including poor encounter design and trash mobs that have no other purpose beyond filling maps.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Imagine animate dead on original(non enhanced edition) + turn based. Hours long encounters...

Yes, that's the whole point. You can enjoy the combat more instead of making it look like an action movie with little or no player input. Maybe that's the whole reason that motivates this debate. RTwP supporters really dislike combat and want it to end really fast. They want the pretense of enjoying tactics and strategy. Turn-based supporters, on the other hand, actually enjoy it.

 

[fantadomat]

I really don't get you guys,i too like TB games. If you were all "I prefer TB because i am getting old and can't keep up ",i will be all brofist and friendly like. There is no real reason to come up with all those weak strawman arguments.

 

[Sweeper]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Well, there are already people who seemingly unironically enjoy D:OS/2.
So...
I think we're already there.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I really don't get you guys,i too like TB games. If you were all "I prefer TB because i am getting old and can't keep up ",i will be all brofist and friendly like. There is no real reason to come up with all those weak strawman arguments.

That's not good enough. You have to understand why you enjoy TB combat in the first place. Any cogent reason will be incompatible with RTwP. And what strawman? There is nothing under the sun to make RTwP look even remotely justifiable.

 

[NJClaw]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Baldur's Gate shit? Impossible, according to the only raking that matters: https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2019/10/RPG-Rankings-Top-10-Best-PC-RPGs-of-All-Time.html

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Well, there are already people who seemingly unironically enjoy D:OS/2.

Do you think this is bad? Some people here were saying that PoE was grounded in comparison to Deadfire. Imagine making a sequel that makes PoE look good in the space of a few years. That's a tangible decline. You can almost taste it.

 

[Cryomancer]

RTwP supporters really dislike combat and want it to end really fast.

No, i just think that for large scale combat, RtWP is better. For smaller scale, turn based.

And is not that we don't like combat, is just that combat needs to be fast to be impactful. A generic wow clone mmo where 64 players is spamming the same rotation for 30 minutes to kill a boss is not fun. A 3 minute boss fight on dark souls is fun. If the combat is too long, it loses the weight. This is why bullet spongee enemies are really bad and kills games like Oblivion.

Do you think this is bad?

Carnavalesque armor, cooldowns, archers that can't hit a elephant at 14m, only number inflation progression, dumb armor system(...)

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Baldur's Gate shit? Impossible, according to the only raking that matters: https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2019/10/RPG-Rankings-Top-10-Best-PC-RPGs-of-All-Time.html

Once you realize that Lilura will never want anything with you in real life and that she is probably a dude, you will free your mind and see xir numerous flaws.

 

[Jedi Exile]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Yeah I remember, even in 2010 when I joined, Codex had this holy trinity - Fallout, Arcanum and Planescape: Torment, and BioWare games were considered not true RPGs. Only Volourn defended them Things had changed, indeed.

 

[NJClaw]

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

Baldur's Gate shit? Impossible, according to the only raking that matters: https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2019/10/RPG-Rankings-Top-10-Best-PC-RPGs-of-All-Time.html

Once you realize that Lilura will never want anything with you in real life and that she is probably a dude, you will free your mind and see xir numerous flaws.

Of course I will never be enough for Lilura.

I haven't even played Jagged Alliance 2, I don't stand a chance.

 

[Black]

You don't fight Iuz.

You do, you can even kill him. There's even a special ending if you do.

 

[Sweeper]

Do you think this is bad? Some people here were saying that PoE was grounded in comparison to Deadfire. Imagine making a sequel that makes PoE look good in the space of a few years. That's a tangible decline. You can almost taste it.

Yes.
PoE and Deadfire were both shit, but not as bad as D:OS/2.
PF:KM destroys both.
This post isn't RTwP propaganda, I really like Underrail. It's a tough choice between it and PF:KM tbh.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

No, i just think that for large scale combat, RtWP is better. For smaller scale, turn based.

But what “large scale combat” even means? If it is a map filled with enemies to the brim, why is it in the game in the first place? To make the player kill tons and tons of enemies with RTwP? To add pacing? If you prefer fast combat, the solution is RT, not RTwP.

Carnavalesque armor, cooldowns, archers that can't hit a elephant at 14m, only number inflation progression, dumb armor system(...)

I mean, do you think this is bad in comparison with the other shit people are praising here? I'm not a D:OS supporter. In fact, I sincerely despise the game.

 

[NJClaw]

Do you think this is bad? Some people here were saying that PoE was grounded in comparison to Deadfire. Imagine making a sequel that makes PoE look good in the space of a few years. That's a tangible decline. You can almost taste it.

Yes.
PoE and Deadfire were both shit, but not as bad as D:OS/2.
PF:KM destroys both.

And Black Geyser: Couriers of Darkness will shit on all of these clearly inferior games. ALL HAIL THE GEYSER!

Spoiler

 

[fantadomat]

I really don't get you guys,i too like TB games. If you were all "I prefer TB because i am getting old and can't keep up ",i will be all brofist and friendly like. There is no real reason to come up with all those weak strawman arguments.

That's not good enough. You have to understand why you enjoy TB combat in the first place. Any cogent reason will be incompatible with RTwP. And what strawman? There is nothing under the sun to make RTwP look even remotely justifiable.

You are simple minded,i do enjoy both pork and chicken,i don't like it when i feel like eating some pork and the garson instead delivers chicken. So i like both systems and prefer it when liked franchises stay true to their origins and don't change genders . Anyone that argues that BG is in TB should just fuck off. There is plenty of top tier TB games already,yet strangely i don't see you cunts talking about them....i might even doubt if you played them. Thus it seems you are just arguing about TB just out of spite and butthurt over the fact that original BG games were rtwp and outsold any TB game out there.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Of course I will never be enough for Lilura.

I haven't even played Jagged Alliance 2, I don't stand a chance.

Your loss!

 

[Sweeper]

And Black Geyser: Couriers of Darkness will shit on all of these clearly inferior games. ALL HAIL THE GEYSER!

Spoiler

I guess it's true, what they say about Greco-Romans.

Spoiler

You niggas gay as fuck.

You are simple minded,i do enjoy both pork and chicken.

Oh come on bro, we all know chicken is the shit you eat when you don't have enough money to afford pork.

 

[Cryomancer]

But what “large scale combat” even means? If it is a map filled with enemies to the brim, why is in the game in the first place? To make the player kill tons and tons of enemies with RTwP? To add pacing? If ypu prefer fast combat, the solution is RT, not RTwP.

IF you have two necromancers/summoners fighting, that fight can take a eternity with turn based.

TB vs RtWP vs RT can affect the pacing but is not the unique variable. Oblivion is RT and extremely slow at higher levels BUT Dark Sun is extremely fast paced and turn based. Might & Magic VI in turn based mode and Arcanum are very fast paced.

Turn based games can be very fast paced if

• They avoid bullet sponge enemies
• Not having slow animations
• Concurrent turns for multiple summons and enemies
• Not nerfing weapon/spell range to make everyone moves every time

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

S0rcererV1ct0r, so the only reason to prefer other systems over TB is that it can be slow-paced in certain occasions, but this can be fixed given certain specifications. Ergo, TB is a better system, all things considered.

You mentioned concurrent turns for multiple summonses, but you can make other arrangements that are less drastic in AI, number of necromances, number of summons, etc.

 

[Cryomancer]

TB is superior in most cases, i agree. But i will not say that BG/PfKM/NWN1 are trash because they are RtWP.

On M&M VI, i use turn based on hard battles and real time on more easy fights. On arcanum i only use turn based because his real time is broken

 

[Stella Brando]

I only want to play Baldur's Gate 3 if I can sleep-scum my way to victory

"Your party needs to be in peak fighting condition at all times. The next thirty meters of grassland may be pleasantly deserted, or it may be swarming with gnolls. You won't know until there are spears in your face."

https://www.pcgamer.com/i-only-want-to-play-baldurs-gate-3-if-i-can-sleep-scum-my-way-to-victory/