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[Elex]

in 5e even more, because 5e is not designed with the idea of needing magical stuff for fight an enemy (ok if you are a martial you need a silver/adamantine/magical weapon but a magical +0 work too) a +1 item is really really good.

In short loot is basically like in baldur's gate 1 if larian stick with 5e baseline for pubblished adventures.

 

[DraQ]

Larian is working at 70 to 80% of their normal productivity, at least for now according to New York Times article
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/technology/personaltech/coronavirus-video-game-production.html

Wage slaves are not terribly focused when not supervised? Shocking.

The paladin aura of swen don’t work online, they have to been in a 500ft. area.

It makes sense that swen would be a paladin. High charisma so everyone loves him but he's full of shit and can't get through a task without killing something due to his own weird mind set.

That's more or less what you tend to hear between detect evil and smite.

 

[Salvo]

in 5e even more, because 5e is not designed with the idea of needing magical stuff for fight an enemy (ok if you are a martial you need a silver/adamantine/magical weapon but a magical +0 work too) a +1 item is really really good.

In short loot is basically like in baldur's gate 1 if larian stick with 5e baseline for pubblished adventures.

Currently playing a 5E campaign with some friends of mine. We're level 7. None of us have magic weapons and we're doing fine, bypassing resistances takes preparation, smarts, or both.

EDIT: or something as simple as a 2nd level spellslot.

 

[Lacrymas]

What Larian have to resist doing is going above +5 weapons. I'd suggest +3 as a baseline at lvl 20, with +4 being rare, and only having 1 or 2 +5 weapons in the entire game. Maybe gotten from tough optional areas.

 

[kangaxx]

If the game starts off at level 1, I can't see how they'd fit +5 weapons in unless the game is absolutely epic?

Comparing to BG 1 and 2. I think the best you get in BG1 is a +3 from memory? You only get to +5s when you get to Carsomyr etc in BG2.

 

[Spectacle]

What Larian have to resist doing is going above +5 weapons. I'd suggest +3 as a baseline at lvl 20, with +4 being rare, and only having 1 or 2 +5 weapons in the entire game. Maybe gotten from tough optional areas.

In 5e magic weapon and armor bonuses only go up to +3.

 

[NJClaw]

If the game starts off at level 1, I can't see how they'd fit +5 weapons in unless the game is absolutely epic?

Comparing to BG 1 and 2. I think the best you get in BG1 is a +3 from memory? You only get to +5s when you get to Carsomyr etc in BG2.

The best you can get in BG1 is the +5 scimitar from the gay black elf. But, yeah, aside from that single easter egg, the highest enchantment you can find is +3 (a quarterstaff and a two-handed sword, both in the expansion). There are, however, a lot of +2 weapons and some of them are extremely easy to find at the very beginning of your adventure.

BG3 will end at level 10, so "high level" items shouldn't appear at all. Also, even if the game goes absolutely epic, in D&D 5 even the most powerful artifacts don't go over +3.

 

[kangaxx]

Oops you are right about the scimitar.

Had no idea about the 5e rules, my D&D experience is all with the old gold box games and BG. Cheers for the info!

 

[Cael]

Twinkle is +3 only. Its other two bonus went to AC.

That made his other scimitar better as it didn't have the +2AC, but it did have +50% fire resistance, which is more valuable in BG. Plus you can pickpocket it off him, unlike Twinkle.

 

[NJClaw]

Twinkle is +3 only. Its other two bonus went to AC.

That made his other scimitar better as it didn't have the +2AC, but it did have +50% fire resistance, which is more valuable in BG. Plus you can pickpocket it off him, unlike Twinkle.

Twinkle is a +5 weapon, it only gets +3 to hit and damage because, being a "defender" weapon, 2 points of its bonus go to AC. Its enchantment level still is 5.

 

[Cael]

Twinkle is +3 only. Its other two bonus went to AC.

That made his other scimitar better as it didn't have the +2AC, but it did have +50% fire resistance, which is more valuable in BG. Plus you can pickpocket it off him, unlike Twinkle.

Twinkle is a +5 weapon, it only gets +3 to hit and damage because, being a "defender" weapon, 2 points of its bonus go to AC. Its enchantment level still is 5.

I know what Defender does.

There is no difference between a +3 and a +5 weapon in BG1 other than the bonus to-hit and damage as there are no enemies that can only be hit with a +4 or better weapon, IIRC. A Twinkle is functionally identical to any other +3 weapon with a special ability. That includes Icingdeath and the Moonblade, both of which are better than Twinkle in terms of their special abilities (+50% fire resistance).

There are also weapons vs specific enemies that goes up to +4. The anti-giant warhammer and one of the anti-werewolf blades (Sword of Balduran?), IIRC.

 

[NJClaw]

Sure, they are functionally the same, but it's still a +5 weapon. But, yeah, that's a pretty pointless argument.

There are also weapons vs specific enemies that goes up to +4. The anti-giant warhammer and one of the anti-werewolf blades (Sword of Balduran?), IIRC.

There are two anti-werewolf blades that go up to +4: the Sword of Balduran and the dagger Werebane. There is also the Burning Earth that goes up to +4 against undeads.

 

[Lacrymas]

In 5e magic weapon and armor bonuses only go up to +3.

Oh, right, forgot about that. Then +1 being baseline at lvl 20, +2 rare and +3 ultra rare. They should also refrain from going higher than 3.

 

[Ontopoly]

In 5e magic weapon and armor bonuses only go up to +3.

Oh, right, forgot about that. Then +1 being baseline at lvl 20, +2 rare and +3 ultra rare. They should also refrain from going higher than 3.

They should refrain from making the game at all. Larians got a lot more problems than a horrible loot system

 

[Lacrymas]

It's either them or Obsidian. There is no-one else that can make a high-budget BG3 atm. Realistically speaking. Owlcat don't have the manpower even if they were given the license.

 

[fantadomat]

It's either them or Obsidian. There is no-one else that can make a high-budget BG3 atm. Realistically speaking. Owlcat don't have the manpower even if they were given the license.

LoL keep your triple garbage production while i enjoy the owlcat's pathfinder games . Talking about AAA as a good thing in 2020.....yeah the isolation must have driven you mad.

 

[Poseidon00]

5e is a garbage system with no difference between classes and no variety. I'm cool with artifact level weapons being as rare as they should be, but everything is being dumbed down for the sake of retards. Proficiency bonus is unforgivably generic and all-encompassing and high levels feel no different than low levels. Things are too even across the board. Even if Larian had a good demo of the game instead of an utterly trash one, which they don't, it still wouldn't redeem the edition they are using.

 

[Ontopoly]

It's either them or Obsidian. There is no-one else that can make a high-budget BG3 atm. Realistically speaking. Owlcat don't have the manpower even if they were given the license.

LoL keep your triple garbage production while i enjoy the owlcat's pathfinder games . Talking about AAA as a good thing in 2020.....yeah the isolation must have driven you mad.

The more money a studio owns the less power they have to choose what goes into their game. Imagine thinking a studio will do a good job making a deep rpg when they literally said the words : " we need to modernize, we need to simplify." To them modernize=simplifying. Don't be surprised when they hold your hand and are afraid to inconvenience you in anyway to the point it ruins the game. I'd rather learn how to create video games and make it myself in 2 weeks then have Larian make it. Sure my two week game would suck more but at least I would be able to look myself in the mirror and say I gave it a good attempt.

 

[fantadomat]

ure my two week game would suck more

Not necessarily,more money also means less creativity and imagination. All the AAA games are the same generic garbage. In RPG especially there hasn't been high investment good game in more than a decade. As a whole the AAA business model is falling apart.

 

[Ontopoly]

ure my two week game would suck more

Not necessarily,more money also means less creativity and imagination. All the AAA games are the same generic garbage. In RPG especially there hasn't been high investment good game in more than a decade. As a whole the AAA business model is falling apart.

I wouldn't even call most of them RPGs. You got whatever witcher 3 is (which is a game I enjoyed) that has bare minimum half assed rpg-lite mechanics forced into the game being touted as the best rpg ever made. As if when we talk about our favorite rpg games no one cares about the actual rpg part as long as it barely qualifies. If you're talking about your favorite game, sure, put it up there but if it's a list about RPGs I feel like the rpg part should be what we're judging, not just a qualifier to see if the game can be judged in the first place. You got whatever zero horizon was being touted as an rpg because it threw some barely rpg mechanics in just so they could advertise it so people that don't care about rpg mechanics can say they love rpgs. Then you got the entire JRPG industry which is mostly made up of zero choices, zero character building and your character is even premade and they're still called rpgs somehow. It's not "especially" in RPGs because they aren't RPGs. It's the same way I wouldn't call Skyrim a puzzle game because they forced some puzzles in as an after thought. Triple A is literal cancer and is just going to get worse because the same spineless people in this thread take whatever shiny graphics they get and ignore all else. If you look at any series that is triple a and going on at the moment every time there is a sequel, the sequel is watered down and has less in depth then the Prequel even though sequels should be building upon there predecessors, not stripping away. It's disgusting but apparently the people in this thread don't care if Larian can't even put as much depth in as a game from 20 years ago because nobody "even likes levels 10 + and day night cycles or having the emphasis be on your built character and personality rather than some premade shit or even a proper prose when you choose your dialogue option. Disgusting sell outs

 

[luj1]

It's either them or Obsidian. There is no-one else that can make a high-budget BG3 atm.

LoL keep your triple garbage production while i enjoy the owlcat's pathfinder games

... which were quite shitty themselves.

 

[Yosharian]

The more money a studio owns the less power they have to choose what goes into their game. Imagine thinking a studio will do a good job making a deep rpg when they literally said the words : " we need to modernize, we need to simplify." To them modernize=simplifying. Don't be surprised when they hold your hand and are afraid to inconvenience you in anyway to the point it ruins the game. I'd rather learn how to create video games and make it myself in 2 weeks then have Larian make it. Sure my two week game would suck more but at least I would be able to look myself in the mirror and say I gave it a good attempt.

I think this is the way of all videogame development. Anything that's good and gets remotely popular, even in niche markets, eventually the money men get their hands on it and it goes to shit.

Or ideologues take that shit over and it rots from the inside.

Either way, it goes to shit.

 

[Ontopoly]

I think this is the way of all videogame development. Anything that's good and gets remotely popular, even in niche markets, eventually the money men get their hands on it and it goes to shit.

Or ideologues take that shit over and it rots from the inside.

Either way, it goes to shit.

Swen didn't have to choose between them. He somehow found a way to go with both. Money sellout and uncompromising ideologue.

 

[fantadomat]

ure my two week game would suck more

Not necessarily,more money also means less creativity and imagination. All the AAA games are the same generic garbage. In RPG especially there hasn't been high investment good game in more than a decade. As a whole the AAA business model is falling apart.

I wouldn't even call most of them RPGs. You got whatever witcher 3 is (which is a game I enjoyed) that has bare minimum half assed rpg-lite mechanics forced into the game being touted as the best rpg ever made. As if when we talk about our favorite rpg games no one cares about the actual rpg part as long as it barely qualifies. If you're talking about your favorite game, sure, put it up there but if it's a list about RPGs I feel like the rpg part should be what we're judging, not just a qualifier to see if the game can be judged in the first place. You got whatever zero horizon was being touted as an rpg because it threw some barely rpg mechanics in just so they could advertise it so people that don't care about rpg mechanics can say they love rpgs. Then you got the entire JRPG industry which is mostly made up of zero choices, zero character building and your character is even premade and they're still called rpgs somehow. It's not "especially" in RPGs because they aren't RPGs. It's the same way I wouldn't call Skyrim a puzzle game because they forced some puzzles in as an after thought. Triple A is literal cancer and is just going to get worse because the same spineless people in this thread take whatever shiny graphics they get and ignore all else. If you look at any series that is triple a and going on at the moment every time there is a sequel, the sequel is watered down and has less in depth then the Prequel even though sequels should be building upon there predecessors, not stripping away. It's disgusting but apparently the people in this thread don't care if Larian can't even put as much depth in as a game from 20 years ago because nobody "even likes levels 10 + and day night cycles or having the emphasis be on your built character and personality rather than some premade shit or even a proper prose when you choose your dialogue option. Disgusting sell outs

Why are you repeating what i said.....with a lot of words??? There hasn't been a good AAA rpg in a decade,also the AAA model is dying out.

 

[Riddler]

If the game starts off at level 1, I can't see how they'd fit +5 weapons in unless the game is absolutely epic?

Comparing to BG 1 and 2. I think the best you get in BG1 is a +3 from memory? You only get to +5s when you get to Carsomyr etc in BG2.

The best you can get in BG1 is the +5 scimitar from the gay black elf. But, yeah, aside from that single easter egg, the highest enchantment you can find is +3 (a quarterstaff and a two-handed sword, both in the expansion). There are, however, a lot of +2 weapons and some of them are extremely easy to find at the very beginning of your adventure.

BG3 will end at level 10, so "high level" items shouldn't appear at all. Also, even if the game goes absolutely epic, in D&D 5 even the most powerful artifacts don't go over +3.

There is the sword of Berserking in the base game.