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[Lacrymas]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

Afaik every video game is canon. At least characters from the games have their own entries in the Forgotten Realms wiki, so I would assume they are canon.

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

Afaik every video game is canon. At least characters from the games have their own entries in the Forgotten Realms wiki, so I would assume they are canon.

I found it actually on Forgotten Realms Wiki. Apparently Myrkul has been resurrected in 5e.

Mask of the Betrayer permits the player character to slay Myrkul permanently using the Spirit-Eater curse at the end of the conversation, or allow One of Many to attempt to consume his remnant. Given Myrkul's resurrection in the 5th Edition rulebooks, neither of these choices can be considered canon.

 

[Lacrymas]

Oh, about that, yeah, he's around. I think Descent into Avernus deals specifically with the 3 gods of the dead (Myrkul, Baal, the other one)?

 

[Cryomancer]

The thing you posted says they have 32 + their deity rank, sooooo I don't see where you are getting that 50+ from.

Divine rank = 16 (greater deity)
32+16 = 48. And since deities can craft magical items, i assume that they have items boosting his SR.

Of course, it probably can work on quasy deities and demigods, but not even against the weakest greater deity...

EDIT : IF they can hit. A demigod vs a low level army will be like



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What i really wanna to see on BG3 is the descendants of the original Bhaalspawns...

 

[Lacrymas]

Divine rank = 16 (greater deity)
32+16 = 48. And since deities can craft magical items, i assume that they have items boosting his SR.

Then you also prepare scrolls of Assay Resistance and equip a bunch of Third Eyes and other +Spell pen items. There are always methods around the math in D&D, but we are talking about the most extreme situation possible, which can still be overcome, so what I am saying holds true, i.e. with enough numbers, resources and 20s everything is killable even at lvl 1. And even if greater deities in 3.5E is the ONLY exception, it's still true except that.

 

[Efe]

5e you need to pass a check to cast scrolls of higher caster level. scroll has a set DC.
3e your spell pen feats wouldnt work with scrolls or wands either. I dont know where you get +17 from and lol at taking "20" on a roll.

or are we playing in lacrymas land?

 

[Lacrymas]

3e your spell pen feats wouldnt work with scrolls or wands either. I dont know where you get +17 from and lol at taking "20" on a roll.

or are we playing in lacrymas land?

Scrolls are cast at the minimum level required to cast the spell, i.e. 17 15* for finger of death. With Assay Resistance and items, we wouldn't need the spell penetration feat either way. I don't know why you think spell pen feats don't work with scrolls though.

*it's an 8th lvl spell, so 15, my bad.

 

[Cryomancer]

i.e. 17 for finger of death

Not true. Finger of death is a 7th tier spell, a wizard of lv 13 can cast it. But if we are talking about wail of the banshee, then you are right. But it will cost more money than the world of faerun has to equip a army with it... Is like trying to give a M1 Abrams to each US soldier IRL

 

[Lacrymas]

A sorcerer can prepare the scroll, which makes it 15. The scroll's level depends on the one who makes it.

 

[Lacrymas]

Also, afair spell resistance doesn't stack, only the highest number is used.

 

[Xamenos]

I love this kind of forum theorycrafting. I've seen a lot of it over the years. It's obvious that this shit wouldn't fly on any real game and the discussion always ends up going in circles, but it's good, innocent fun.

Reminds me of kids playing cops and robbers.
"I shot you, you're dead!"
"No I'm not, I'm wearing a bulletproof vest!"
"My gun fires special bullets your vest is useless!"
"Nuh-uh, my vest also has a force-field that deflects special bullets!"
And so on, and so on.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's a matter of remembering and looking up rules, and yes it is an extreme case in the most power-bloaty edition ever.

 

[Thac0]

Funny how a side comment about the absence of number bloat in BG3 has lead to a 3 page discussion of the various logistics of deicide. The charm of Pen&Paper I guess.

 

[Doktor Best]

Funny how a side comment about the absence of number bloat in BG3 has lead to a 3 page discussion of the various logistics of deicide. The charm of Pen&Paper I guess.

Arguing about rules has always been the meat of a pen&paper session. Everything else is a side dish.

 

[Cryomancer]

Reminds me of kids playing cops and robbers.
"I shot you, you're dead!"
"No I'm not, I'm wearing a bulletproof vest!"
"My gun fires special bullets your vest is useless!"
"Nuh-uh, my vest also has a force-field that deflects special bullets!"
And so on, and so on.

This is why rules are needed in any "lets pretend" games. For eg, would a 556 cal be effective against that vest? And a .30-06 armor piercing? 14.5x114mm? Some games adopt the DUMB rule "body armor reduce the damage by X%, doesn't matter if is a .22 LR or a .50 "Raufoss Mk 211" which is effective even against armored vehicles"...

And in therms of rule consistency, 5e is less consistent than 3.5e. That is the point.

Funny how a side comment about the absence of number bloat in BG3 has lead to a 3 page discussion of the various logistics of deicide. The charm of Pen&Paper I guess.

I don't think that 3.5e has number bloat problem.

Going from fireball(tier 3) to cone of cold(tier 5), the damage cap increase is 10d6 to 15d6. And even the deadliest spells like horrid wilting caps at 20d6.

 

[RPK]

in 3.5e, at least, your level 1 casters are all going to have to make a caster level check to be able to use that finger of death scroll. I think that check dc is, at least, what 14? so, they're going to fail more than half the time. then you have fun spell mishaps which may very well end up incapacitating the caster.

 

[Elex]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

They died but they are back all the gods are back.

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

 

[Lacrymas]

in 3.5e, at least, your level 1 casters are all going to have to make a caster level check to be able to use that finger of death scroll. I think that check dc is, at least, what 14? so, they're going to fail more than half the time. then you have fun spell mishaps which may very well end up incapacitating the caster.

We are assuming all required checks are nat 20s because given enough wizards, it's inevitable that some of them will make the checks.

 

[RPK]

in 3.5e, at least, your level 1 casters are all going to have to make a caster level check to be able to use that finger of death scroll. I think that check dc is, at least, what 14? so, they're going to fail more than half the time. then you have fun spell mishaps which may very well end up incapacitating the caster.

We are assuming all required checks are nat 20s because given enough wizards, it's inevitable that some of them will make the checks.

ah ok.

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

Not in the originals. Myrkul is adrift in the Astral Plane during the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. MOTB takes place shortly after the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

Gorion is murdered in 1368 DR, and the King of Shadows is defeated in 1374 DR, which means the events of MOTB take place in roughly the same year.

Edit: I had put 1376 when it was actually 1374

 

[Spectacle]

An infinite number of spherical frictionless wizards can defeat anything!

 

[Elex]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

Not in the originals. Myrkul is adrift in the Astral Plane during the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. MOTB takes place shortly after the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

Gorion is murdered in 1368 DR, and the King of Shadows is defeated in 1374 DR, which means the events of MOTB take place in roughly the same year.

Edit: I had put 1376 when it was actually 1374

5e is 100 years later. 1492 circa

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

Not in the originals. Myrkul is adrift in the Astral Plane during the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. MOTB takes place shortly after the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

Gorion is murdered in 1368 DR, and the King of Shadows is defeated in 1374 DR, which means the events of MOTB take place in roughly the same year.

Edit: I had put 1376 when it was actually 1374

5e is 100 years later. 1492 circa

Yep, but you said in Baldur's Gate 1 the Dead Three were active, and I was saying that Myrkul was not active during the Bhaalspawn Crisis because he was adrift in the Astral Plane during that time.

 

[Elex]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

Not in the originals. Myrkul is adrift in the Astral Plane during the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. MOTB takes place shortly after the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

Gorion is murdered in 1368 DR, and the King of Shadows is defeated in 1374 DR, which means the events of MOTB take place in roughly the same year.

Edit: I had put 1376 when it was actually 1374

5e is 100 years later. 1492 circa

Yep, but you said in Baldur's Gate 1 the Dead Three were active, and I was saying that Myrkul was not active during the Bhaalspawn Crisis because he was adrift in the Astral Plane during that time.

I meant baldur’s gate as city in particular as in the descent into avernus campaign.

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

Is Myrkul still around in 5e? Is MOTB canon to Forgotten Realms? Doesn't Akachi's hunger devour Myrkul's soul husk?

In baldur’s gate the cult of the dead three is active and deadly and they cooperates.
Their cultist have extremely powerful abilities.
Some Bhaal cultist also have skull head like the hellrider.

So in BG 3 bhaal will not be alone in his planning this time.

Not in the originals. Myrkul is adrift in the Astral Plane during the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. MOTB takes place shortly after the events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.

Gorion is murdered in 1368 DR, and the King of Shadows is defeated in 1374 DR, which means the events of MOTB take place in roughly the same year.

Edit: I had put 1376 when it was actually 1374

5e is 100 years later. 1492 circa

Yep, but you said in Baldur's Gate 1 the Dead Three were active, and I was saying that Myrkul was not active during the Bhaalspawn Crisis because he was adrift in the Astral Plane during that time.

I meant baldur’s gate as city in particular as in the descent into avernus campaign.

I see I see.