Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[AwesomeButton]

Larian could make Arcanum 2

TBH, after The Outer Worlds, Cain and Boyarski deserve to have their other child shat on by Swen.

 

[Harthwain]

The old ones are included with them at least. I already said I hate them and that I will never play their games. Not sure why you keep acting like I'm praising them or saying they can't do no wrong.

The weirdest part is you're acting like I love them when you're the one who bought their game and supported them. I don't support them, never will. You're one of those people that shits on the game then buys them anyways. No passion

You sound like a Beamdog cultist.

 

[Thac0]

Well we are never gonna get Arcanum 2, but it made me wonder which of the current bigwig studios would be best suited to dealing with it?
Their design philosophy was every choice matters, which rules out most modern developers.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Neither. Only Iron Tower Studios can take the mantle and do it justice, but they would have to go bankrupt afterwards.

 

[TemplarGR]

Larian should make Arcanum 2. They're the only who could do it now. Or maybe Owlcats.

I think the best revenege we could enact on decline shill codexers would be to make Larian make Arcanum and Temple of Elemental Evil sequels. We don't need Bloodlines sequel, that is being taken care of by other retards. That way the total Troika dessecration will be complete.

 

[Thac0]

Neither. Only Iron Tower Studios can take the mantle and do it justice, but they would have to go bankrupt afterwards.

Eh I will wait for Colony Ship for that. I loved Arcanum but AoD did nothing for me. Although C&C definitly is that what they want to be good at.
Although I cant think of anyone better atm, C&C has become a rare art in crpgs.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Who needs C&C when you can set the floor on fire, and run away by stacking crates.

 

[Thac0]

Oh and I really love that they forced the old games off the storefront so that you can only buy the “enhanced” editions.

The old ones are included with them at least. I already said I hate them and that I will never play their games. Not sure why you keep acting like I'm praising them or saying they can't do no wrong.

The weirdest part is you're acting like I love them when you're the one who bought their game and supported them. I don't support them. You're one of those people that shits on the game then buys them anyways. No passion

The old ones are only included on GOG, not any other storefront where they’re sold.

Also who said that I bought them? I don’t remember saying that.

I did buy them, however, but that was before I knew that they had changed the rules for so many things in both games, which is retarded.

And no, the retarded thing you said was “Larian is worse than Beamdog even though we have no idea what BG3 will be yet, but they are worse than the company who changed rules, items, dialogues, and created an SJW campaign, and re-balanced a bunch stuff, while also making it so that the originals are no longer for sale, meaning that if you do want the originals you have to buy the enhanced edition”

Also, to add to your point, they did not want to give the originals away at first. They only changed that after the heavy backlash they got. Cant find it atm, but someone on the codex linked a tweet where they talked about changing Baldurs Gate to be politically right for a new generation, and their statement was "If you want to play the old BG, too bad its sexist and so are you" or some dribbel of that quality.

 

[AwesomeButton]

If Larian apply to make total conversion of BGI/II in 5ed, in their new engine, I would be onboard.

Basically the tech is all they've made that's been good.

 

[HoboForEternity]

If Larian apply to make total conversion of BGI/II in 5ed, in their new engine, I would be onboard.

Basically the tech is all they've made that's been good.

you just need find BG 2 fanboy with enough autism level

 

[Elex]

Game will sell well because it is called BG3. But then again, Larian is a good developer. Who would you give BG3 now instead?

This is what the codex think. But the sad sad reality of the reality is: it’s going to sell because is the new larian game.
The baldur’s gate name don’t sell, baldur’s gate have a name and a story but the numbers are totally different from the “best sellers” of today.

baldur’s gate had is chance with siege of dragonspear: it was a success? Noope.

Blame beamdog.


Poe had is chance too. poe2 failed hard.

Blame obisidian.

So why people blame larian?

blame who failed hard and was incapable of deliver what you wanted.

beamdog obsidian are the reason why you can’t have a “real” bg3.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I blame Larian for dumbing down their games, not for selling them well.

 

[Swen]

I blame Larian for dumbing down their games, not for selling them well.

Nothing wrong with repairing the autism of the past.

Simplifying isn't a bad thing, especially the garbage system that was used in BG1/2. 5e already solved a lot of that convoluted shit, but me and Larian will make it even better.

And nobody outside some neckbeard autistical boomers like Ontoposhit care about "muh baldurs gate".

Serious, it's a pirivilege for the Baldur's Gate franchise that Larian is even willing to make a new game under that name. Serious, you neckbeards should be grateful, now for the frist time we'll have a good Baldur's Gate game.

 

[Elex]

I blame Larian for dumbing down their games, not for selling them well.

What i mean is: Larian is not the first choise, beamdog was.
Siege of dragonspear was the third baldur’s gate game... and they never talk about it in any press release they ignore beamdog, they don’t even try to bundle the EE with bg3.

So apparently dumbing down is consider better than beamdog EE.

 

[User0001]

Swen desecrated the codex's third top game. Swen the thief, and his Larian cultists, his fence sitters (who lean a little too close to his side, despite what they say), Mike mearls and the wotc crew, and potentially you have all contributed to the desecration to that which I love. They're all Larian cultists. There's nothing I can do against them but I will do what I can. And all I can do is not buy the game, and ask that you do the same. Whether you do it for me, for passion, for the one and true BG series, to spite swen and his cultist, or just because it doesn't seem appealing to you, please do it.

Ontopolys inner soul

 

[Thac0]

Game will sell well because it is called BG3. But then again, Larian is a good developer. Who would you give BG3 now instead?

This is what the codex think. But the sad sad reality of the reality is: it’s going to sell because is the new larian game.
The baldur’s gate name don’t sell, baldur’s gate have a name and a story but the numbers are totally different from the “best sellers” of today.

baldur’s gate had is chance with siege of dragonspear: it was a success? Noope.

Blame beamdog.


Poe had is chance too. poe2 failed hard.

Blame obisidian.

So why people blame larian?

blame who failed hard and was incapable of deliver what you wanted.

beamdog obsidian are the reason why you can’t have a “real” bg3.

Inclined to agree here, if Siege of Dragonspear was not an expansion for a decades old game that noone wanted, but a standalone Infinity Engine inspired game, and it wasnt shit and sold well it might have significantly influenced the direction that BG3 takes.
But thats wishfull thinking, Beamdog has no talent.

 

[Thac0]

I blame Larian for dumbing down their games, not for selling them well.

Nothing wrong with repairing the autism of the past.

Simplifying isn't a bad thing, especially the garbage system that was used in BG1/2. 5e already solved a lot of that convoluted shit, but me and Larian will make it even better.

And nobody outside some neckbeard autistical boomers like Ontoposhit care about "muh baldurs gate".

Serious, it's a pirivilege for the Baldur's Gate franchise that Larian is even willing to make a new game under that name. Serious, you neckbeards should be grateful, now for the frist time we'll have a good Baldur's Gate game.

Openening the thread again was like opening the box of pandora. We got Ontopoly back but you are other 99 other evils unleashed.

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

The old ones are included with them at least. I already said I hate them and that I will never play their games. Not sure why you keep acting like I'm praising them or saying they can't do no wrong.

The weirdest part is you're acting like I love them when you're the one who bought their game and supported them. I don't support them, never will. You're one of those people that shits on the game then buys them anyways. No passion

You sound like a Beamdog cultist.

Haha the mods should make that a new tag for him. That or Larian Cultist. It would be too funny.

 

[Lacrymas]

Cant find it atm, but someone on the codex linked a tweet where they talked about changing Baldurs Gate to be politically right for a new generation, and their statement was "If you want to play the old BG, too bad its sexist and so are you" or some dribbel of that quality.

Not really. I mean, they did say some elements were sexist or whatever, but they didn't actually do anything to "fix" those. Safana is the same as ever for example. They actually accidentally made an oopsie by making the lesbian vampire black, i.e. sexualization of exotic women. When you devoid your ideology of context, you end up on a tight rope nobody can really balance on. Also, RE: SoD is bad - it isn't, it's ok. The controversy around Mizhena is what caused SoD to fail commercially. If it failed, I have no idea.

 

[Swen]

We aren't starved of true RPGs anymore. And when this game comes out that will be even more true because there are a bunch of RPGs on the way. There's no reason to put yourself through this game. There are alternatives. We all know the games that came out recently. We all know the games that are coming out. Don't lower yourself to this, because you no longer have to. Play solasta instead. Realms beyond. Wrath of the righteous. Black geyser (TBD). Spell force is close enough. Play some nwn modules. Replay all the classics which are plenty and still have so much to offer, even if you've played them before. This isn't 5 years ago anymore. You have choices. Don't let your ignorance lead you to harm the entire industry. Love the industry and it will treat you good. Play the originals if you need something to do, but at all costs, DO NOT GIVE IN. Passion can sustain you while you watch all the Larian cultists and fence sitters. Passion sustain us, for we are weak and the graphics are shiny. Passion help us through this because we want to be part of the discussion surrounding the game but not at this cost. Passion sustain us because we may always wonder if the game would have been worth it (spoiler, nothing is worth losing your passion and integrity over, and the game will suck for sure, it's Larian, enough said).

I just want you all to remember that we have choices and we have options and we shouldn't support this game. The world is good and the games we have are better. Playing bg3 will only taint you, your passion for gaming, and your view of the BG series. I haven't played the beam dog dlc because I know it will be bad and will harm me. I won't play bg3 because I know it will be bad and will harm me. Don't be one of those people that talks bad about a game but buys it anyways. That's what swen-led Larian wants us to do. He knows he can butcher the series and make bad games but we will buy them anyways. I want him to be wrong. You should want him to be wrong. When I see his smug face it makes me sick because he knows he's getting away with it. Let's not let him get away with it. Every sale counts. The game will be a financial success but at the end of the day, if we can make even a small impact, we should be proud of our efforts.

At every moment and situation, if there is a design philosophy difference between BG series and dos series, swen will go with what dos did. Turn based, 4 man party, barrels, 3d over isometric, over world map style and layout, origin characters, animations, character styles, character recruitment layout, exploration style. There will be many more that we haven't been able to see because the game isn't out yet, but rest assured, there will be more.

Swen stole a name and Mike mearls helped him. Swen desecrated the codex's third top game. Swen the thief, and his Larian cultists, his fence sitters (who lean a little too close to his side, despite what they say), Mike mearls and the wotc crew, and potentially you have all contributed to the desecration to that which I love. They're all Larian cultists. There's nothing I can do against them but I will do what I can. And all I can do is not buy the game, and ask that you do the same. Whether you do it for me, for passion, for the one and true BG series, to spite swen and his cultist, or just because it doesn't seem appealing to you, please do it.

 

[Cryomancer]

Nothing wrong with repairing the autism of the past.

You act like if Divine Divinity was overcomplicated "autistic"...

Simplifying isn't a bad thing, especially the garbage system that was used in BG1/2. 5e already solved a lot of that convoluted shit, but me and Larian will make it even better.

Garbage system for who? Game journalists? THAC0 is the most ""complicated"" thing on BG1/2 and everyone with 2 digit IQ can understand it.

Swen Vincke seems to underestimate his player base. I saw a lot of comments about spell slots...

A lot of games uses it. From Final Fantasy 1, PS1 Suikuden to modern games like Dark Souls 2. And note that i an mentioning consoele RPG's. For me, spell slots are easy to understand. You attune a spell and when cast, need to rest to "re attune" and use it again. And more powerful the magician is, more powerful and in greater quantity of spells he can "attune".

Cooldowns in other hands, felt completely nonsensical. Why my magician need to wait X turns to cast other fireball but can cast fire rain? Or deadlier fire spells?

they did say some elements were sexist or whatever, but they didn't actually do anything to "fix" those.

I hope that Larian will not try to """"fix"""" spell slots and missing for eg too.

Imagine the SJW from beamdog who complains about sexism on BG making a enhanced edition for VTMB...

 

[AwesomeButton]

What i mean is: Larian is not the first choise, beamdog was.
Siege of dragonspear was the third baldur’s gate game... and they never talk about it in any press release they ignore beamdog, they don’t even try to bundle the EE with bg3.

So apparently dumbing down is consider better than beamdog EE.

I don't think WotC ever had confidence in Beamdog, but if someone more acquainted with Beamdog's history can prove otherwise, please do.

 

[Gargaune]

Not really. I mean, they did say some elements were sexist or whatever, but they didn't actually do anything to "fix" those. Safana is the same as ever for example. They actually accidentally made an oopsie by making the lesbian vampire black, i.e. sexualization of exotic women. When you devoid your ideology of context, you end up on a tight rope nobody can really balance on. Also, RE: SoD is bad - it isn't, it's ok. The controversy around Mizhena is what caused SoD to fail commercially. If it failed, I have no idea.

The appropriate comparison for Siege of Dragonspear is with with Throne of Bhaal, not with either of the standalone titles, and in that light it holds up reasonably well. Its writing is certainly worse, hamstrung mainly by issues with tone and plot flow, but it plays better thanks to its solid dungeons and midway level range. Amber Scott's controversial comments aside, I think I recall one of the other developers acknowledged some of the writing problems and attributed them to the shifting scope of the project through development.

Bottom line, yeah, it's ok. On the whole, I ended up enjoying it more than PoE, funnily enough. As buttoned as I'll get for saying it, provided they took more care with the writing I'd have been open to Beamdog having a stab at a BG3, but they just don't have the size for the sort of AAA reboot WotC want.

 

[Xamenos]

Have protection against OHK like deathwards, prepare traps, try to make him waste his better spell slots on weaklings, have a escape route, try lock his escape routes(...) if you have a ring with "deathblock", he will need to first cast disjunction before he could cast a OHK spell on you.

In reverse order, I am not a ware of a "deathblock" ring existing and even if it did disjunction takes care of it too. Escape routes don't matter in a fight that lasts 2 rounds tops, and are also kinda besides the point when considering how to plan a properly epic fight. Wasting spell slots on weaklings works only against the AI of a computer game, which I suspect is your only experience with DnD. And Death Ward does indeed work. Congratulations, by using a spell that makes dice irrelevant you have succeeded in doubling the spells required to kill you. Assuming he doesn't have a rod of Greater Quicken, can you possibly make the fight last for 3 rounds before people start dropping? And remember, we're talking about an L20 wizard fighting an L20 party. This is supposed to be a barely challenging level-appropriate encounter. And the party is supposed to be able to go through 4 of them in a day. How do you even make a satisfying campaign-ending boss fight? (Hint: I have played 3.5 for more than a decade. You can't, following the rules. The only proper high-level fight I remember was with a homebrewed monster whose numbers and abilities the DM pulled completely out of his ass to make things challenging but not insta-lethal)

3.5 and Pathfinder are terribly balanced and their combat devolves into rocket tag at high levels. Because they suffer from a pretty bad numbers bloat at high levels, which inherently favors offense over defense. And I didn't even touch skills and how much the 'high attributes + skill ranks" combo breaks their applications in half.

Sodalis - NWN1 - HOTU - chapter 2 is a epic vampire necromancer specialized wizard done right on a video game.

I do not remember that fight. Are you seriously telling me it was as satisfying as, say, the caster fights in BG2?

Since you mentioned cowboy, i IRL can rent a AR-50 IRL and fire in a firing range. Can practice with it but it doesn't means that i can sustain a shot of that caliber. The best strategy is avoid being shot. Same with high tier magic on D&D.

Thank you for this interesting and not-at-all irrelevant anecdote. It completely changed what I consider a satisfying high-level fight in DnD. You have shown me the error of my ways, for sure.

edit : note that on 2e, magicians has way less hp, a rogue can kill a high level wizard in a single round too.

EVERYTHING has less HP in 2e. Combat was invariably more lethal there, from L1 to L20. It was a deliberate design choice. It was NOT a design choice in 3.5, where combat is significantly less lethal at low and mid levels, before the whole thing breaks down at high ones. It is clear Wizards failed to playtest the rules appropriately before they rushed out the 3.0 or 3.5 rulebooks, and those terrible rules were then enshrined by a generation of stupid nerds who could exploit them to instakill monsters and fill smart, with usually no retaliation because a DM who instakills his players is a bad DM now.

(Also, a high-level wizard who got caught unaware without a stoneskin in 2e deserves to be instagibbed by a rogue)

I thought it would be obvious I meant actual RPG players and not software.

But people who wanna warhammers being better than swords against plate armor can use that rule. Even if is rarely used by players.

I once played a 2e campaign with all optional rules for extra realism. Including the one where items took damage and broke. It was kinda fun. I wouldn't do that again.

 

[Cryomancer]

ring existing and even if it did disjunction takes care of it too.

Deathblock was in relation with items that protect you from insta death effects. There are a lot of rings who allow that.

As for disjunction "All magical effects and magic items within the radius of the spell, except for those that you carry or touch, are disjoined. That is, spells and spell-like effects are separated into their individual components (ending the effect as a dispel magic spell does), and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item. An item in a creature’s possession uses its own Will save bonus or its possessor’s Will save bonus, whichever is higher" http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magesDisjunction.htm

3.5 and Pathfinder are terribly balanced and their combat devolves into rocket tag at high levels. Because they suffer from a pretty bad numbers bloat at high levels, which inherently favors offense over defense.

Wrong. 2e was far more deadly for high level encounters than 2.5e. From lv 10 and forward, you get like +1 hit points, while on 3.5e you gain d4 + con mod.

And as i've said, high tier magic in a fantasy world is like artillery IRL. The best strategy against Horrid Wilting is avoid being hit by it. Just like you should avoid being hit at all costs by a 120mm high explosive round. If you wanna people surviving being impaled by 50 ballista bolts then 5 fireballs, and etc; 3.5e is not for you. 5e is.

3.5 and Pathfinder are terribly balanced and their combat devolves into rocket tag at high levels. Because they suffer from a pretty bad numbers bloat at high levels, which inherently favors offense over defense. And I didn't even touch skills and how much the 'high attributes + skill ranks" combo breaks their applications in half.

Balance is not more important than immersion, fun, challenge and other things. And pathfinder 2e sucks because it tried to be overly balanced. Like PoE and D&D 4e.

enshrined by a generation of stupid nerds who could exploit them to instakill monsters and fill smart, with usually no retaliation because a DM who instakills his players is a bad DM now.

Wrong. that depends a lot on the "setting". OHK spells and traps vs the player makes perfectly sense if we are talking about a Tomb of Annihilation module. In another module, it would't make any sense. And note that high level party members can revive and deathward, a tier 4 spell can make you immune to finger of death(tier 7) and wail of the banshee(tier 9).

If the party decides to explore the lich's crypt, deathward is one of the basic things to have. Like a more resistant clothing and precautions against certain poisons is a necessity if you wanna explore certain forests. Or protection against cold if you wanna explore southern pole.

Even DDO which doesn't follow much the D&D rules, i got OHK by my own fault some times. In a haunted libary, after i picked 2 books, solved a puzzle and was reaching the final destination, a monster casted phantasmal killer on me and ... I died. Other time, i was climbing a lich's tower, and when i finally reached the lich, the blood opened and i feel to my death. Both of the deaths was my own fault. Of course if i an a Lich in top of a tower, i would create traps like that to protect myself. So i should have assumed that the Lich would do the same.

High lethality is good in ALL games, not only D&D. Dark Souls is great because you kill and die fast. Dragon's Dogma is much better on hard mode when a cyclops with a giant flamming club can OHK you.

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One honest question. Do you like that Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous will have mythic paths and be pathfinder 1e? Instead of lv 10 cap and pathfinder 2e? Don't get me wrong, i will buy BG3 probably at early access. I just like that a game will allow you to use the powerful spells which i love.