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[Dodo1610]

Can someone tell me how useful Bards are in 5e? I never had one in my group.

 

[NJClaw]

Can someone tell me how useful Bards are in 5e? I never had one in my group.

Extremely useful. They are full-progression spellcasters, exactly like Wizards, Sorcerers, Clerics and Druids, so they gain a new spell level every two character levels and reach 9th level spells. The Bard spell lists offers healing spells, buffs, debuffs, utility spells, very strong crowd control and even a bit of damage. While in past editions Bards lacked strong spells at high levels, in 5E they can use stuff like Resurrection, Teleport, Polymorph and Forcecage (that may very well be the most broken spell in the entire game).

Bards also are extremely good with skills and their signature class feature, Bardic Inspiration, is incredibly strong: they can "give" an "inspiration die" (1d6 at first, but it grows with time and becomes 1d12 at level 15) to one of their companion, who can add that die to any d20 roll (skills, attacks and saving throws). This is an amazing feature because in 5th edition it's almost impossible to gain additional bonuses to your d20 rolls.

With the right subclass, a Bard can also be used as an extremely competent melee fighter.

 

[User0001]

Can someone tell me how useful Bards are in 5e? I never had one in my group.

Extremely useful. They are full-progression spellcasters, exactly like Wizards, Sorcerers, Clerics and Druids, so they gain a new spell level every two character levels and reach 9th level spells. The Bard spell lists offers healing spells, buffs, debuffs, utility spells, very strong crowd control and even a bit of damage. While in past editions Bards lacked strong spells at high levels, in 5E they can use stuff like Resurrection, Teleport, Polymorph and Forcecage (that may very well be the most broken spell in the entire game).

Bards also are extremely good with skills and their signature class feature, Bardic Inspiration, is incredibly strong: they can "give" an "inspiration die" (1d6 at first, but it grows with time and becomes 1d12 at level 15) to one of their companion, who can add that die to any d20 roll (skills, attacks and saving throws). This is an amazing feature because in 5th edition it's almost impossible to gain additional bonuses to your d20 rolls.

With the right subclass, a Bard can also be used as an extremely competent melee fighter.

This is 100% accurate. If you want a melee fighter that works as a multi-function spell sword, Valor Bard is the archetype/college you pick. Focusing on shield feats will give it more survivability. A Collage of Lore bard is one of the best spellcasting classes in 5e.

 

[Cryomancer]

Lets hope that Larian will not ruin Bards. I don't like much the fantasy of a magic musician BUT bards are lackluster in 99,9% of the games.

 

[Saravan]

Going to need a bard with that DoS 2 oud instrument to properly roleplay my jihad against drows.

 

[Elex]

I Bring news
https://dnd.dragonmag.com/2020/05/20/in-the-works-dd-dice-adventures/content.html

Spoiler

“D&D Dice Adventures also has connective tissue to our other Dungeons & Dragons games. You’ll see characters such as Minsc and Boo, Khalid, and Dynaheir from the Baldur’s Gate series of video games. The upcoming Baldur’s Gate III video gamefeatures a storyline about mind flayers using illithid tadpoles to create advanced soldiers and our use of Ioun stones shows where that tech came from.”

ty random article about a mobile game for the spoiler

 

[d1r]

How about you put the spoilers in a spoiler tag?

 

[Elex]

Because i suffered it from reading dragon+ and i don’t want to be alone.
We don’t even know if is true.

 

[NJClaw]

I Bring news
https://dnd.dragonmag.com/2020/05/20/in-the-works-dd-dice-adventures/content.html

Spoiler

“D&D Dice Adventures also has connective tissue to our other Dungeons & Dragons games. You’ll see characters such as Minsc and Boo, Khalid, and Dynaheir from the Baldur’s Gate series of video games. The upcoming Baldur’s Gate III video gamefeatures a storyline about mind flayers using illithid tadpoles to create advanced soldiers and our use of Ioun stones shows where that tech came from.”

ty random article about a mobile game for the spoiler

Fuck, I thought that the entire thing was about BG3 and we were going to se Khalid. Now I'm sad that it's not going to happen.

Unless...

 

[TemplarGR]

If that spoiler is true, then it is actually incline think.

Spoiler

As long as they don't make it "you are the chosen one and only you can stop the huge Ithilid army from destroying the whole world" kind of thing. That would be boring. A little smaller scale, still the same plot, but more local based and with no chosen one, please.

 

[DraQ]

Village idiot + possibly retarded is the best combination for him from a minmax perspective.

The only point against that would be that Ontopoly's retardation has long since been confirmed.

Smeagol... Smeagol... Smeagmol...That's it! Smegmol! We shall call it Smegmol!

Game will sell well because it is called BG3. But then again, Larian is a good developer. Who would you give BG3 now instead?

This is what the codex think. But the sad sad reality of the reality is: it’s going to sell because is the new larian game.
The baldur’s gate name don’t sell, baldur’s gate have a name and a story but the numbers are totally different from the “best sellers” of today.

baldur’s gate had is chance with siege of dragonspear: it was a success? Noope.

Blame beamdog.

You can't besiege dragon's spear. Merely polish it.

If you are deemed worthy.

For me, spell slots are easy to understand. You attune a spell and when cast, need to rest to "re attune" and use it again. And more powerful the magician is, more powerful and in greater quantity of spells he can "attune".

Cooldowns in other hands, felt completely nonsensical. Why my magician need to wait X turns to cast other fireball but can cast fire rain? Or deadlier fire spells?

Cooldowns are peak gamedev idiocy but spell slots are only marginally better. And Larian did implement a pretty interesting alternative memorization system too.
Not ideal, but far more sensible than the usual Vancian nonsense while retaining its central tropes and one that could be easily refined into a very good system that would go a long way towards removing dump stats.

 

[Cryomancer]

I also agree with TemplarGR. More local plots are better than "saving the world". Even for high level stuff. On nwn1 - hotu, when you are dealing with drow conflicts, the game is far better than when you are dealing with Mephistopheles invasion. Icewind dale which focus on the nordic region is amazing too.

 

[Elex]

I Bring news
https://dnd.dragonmag.com/2020/05/20/in-the-works-dd-dice-adventures/content.html

Spoiler

“D&D Dice Adventures also has connective tissue to our other Dungeons & Dragons games. You’ll see characters such as Minsc and Boo, Khalid, and Dynaheir from the Baldur’s Gate series of video games. The upcoming Baldur’s Gate III video gamefeatures a storyline about mind flayers using illithid tadpoles to create advanced soldiers and our use of Ioun stones shows where that tech came from.”

ty random article about a mobile game for the spoiler

Fuck, I thought that the entire thing was about BG3 and we were going to se Khalid. Now I'm sad that it's not going to happen.

Unless...

Yes maybe all that npc are back.

 

[santino27]

You know, I thought about my BG2 experience... And I never figured out how to prevent Illithids from brainsucking Minsc to death. Is there even a defense against that attack in BG2 other than summoning hordes of skeletons/cloud spells?

Pots of int and focus. And there are a few spells that give rezistance or immunity to psionics, so he won't get stunned. Otherwise, no - not really.

And traps.

 

[fantadomat]

Yo Infinitron did you unban Ontopoly from this thread? Without him this place is boring and dry,it lacks nuance.

 

[underground nymph]

Yo Infinitron did you unban Ontopoly from this thread? Without him this place is boring and dry,it lacks nuance.

sure, didn’t you see shit stains above

 

[Ontopoly]

Yo Infinitron did you unban Ontopoly from this thread? Without him this place is boring and dry,it lacks nuance.

Yeah, I'm back. But they're watching me. So even though I'm replying to your comment, I still have to make sure this comment is on topic, so now I have to write something about bg3.

Swen-led Larian is so ashamed of all the past products they've put out. Swen was willing to grab any old ip he could so that he could stop making games in that pathetic excuse of a universe. The only question is why would you trust a man who has previously made such bad games that he's ashamed of them? Mike mearls needs some help. Swen doesn't even like bg series, he just needed to get away from his own past regrets. I challenge swen the cunt to recommend the old games he's claiming to make a sequel to. The fact that he doesn't at every point possible shows that he's passionless and doesn't care about BG series. He just wants the attention from bg. I've seen barely any mention from him about the original series. It's so shameless and his product shouldn't be able to be referred to by that name.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Swen-led Larian is so ashamed of all the past products they've put out. Swen was willing to grab any old ip he could so that he could stop making games in that pathetic excuse of a universe. The only question is why would you trust a man who has previously made such bad games that he's ashamed of them? Mike mearls needs some help. Swen doesn't even like bg series, he just needed to get away from his own past regrets. I challenge swen the cunt to recommend the old games he's claiming to make a sequel to. The fact that he doesn't at every point possible shows that he's passionless and doesn't care about BG series. He just wants the attention from bg. I've seen barely any mention from him about the original series. It's so shameless and his product shouldn't be able to be referred to by that name.

Totally about BG3.

 

[DraQ]

Yo Infinitron did you unban Ontopoly from this thread? Without him this place is boring and dry,it lacks nuance.

Yeah, I'm back. But they're watching me. So even though I'm replying to your comment, I still have to make sure this comment is on topic, so now I have to write something about bg3.

Swen-led Larian is so ashamed of all the past products they've put out. Swen was willing to grab any old ip he could so that he could stop making games in that pathetic excuse of a universe. The only question is why would you trust a man who has previously made such bad games that he's ashamed of them? Mike mearls needs some help. Swen doesn't even like bg series, he just needed to get away from his own past regrets. I challenge swen the cunt to recommend the old games he's claiming to make a sequel to. The fact that he doesn't at every point possible shows that he's passionless and doesn't care about BG series. He just wants the attention from bg. I've seen barely any mention from him about the original series. It's so shameless and his product shouldn't be able to be referred to by that name.

 

[Thac0]

Major disappointment today when I found out that Solasta does not launch with all classes as well. Multiclassing gets more fun with more base classes since your options raise exponentially.
At least BG 3 plans to have all of them eventually, while Solasta looks like they will quit the project if they do not get the mainstream success they want.

I just want to play a Monk/Druid goddamnit

 

[NJClaw]

Major disappointment today when I found out that Solasta does not launch with all classes as well. Multiclassing gets more fun with more base classes since your options raise exponentially.
At least BG 3 plans to have all of them eventually, while Solasta looks like they will quit the project if they do not get the mainstream success they want.

I just want to play a Monk/Druid goddamnit

A pure Druid is the best 5E Monk/Druid.

 

[Cryomancer]

My major disappointment is the lv cap = 10 and seem that only GOO and fiend pacts will exists for warlocks.

 

[Thac0]

My major disappointment is the lv cap = 10 and seem that only GOO and fiend pacts will exists for warlocks.

What? Tell me you are lying, I want to play Archfey patrons FFs. Fey and the Feywilds are my favourite parts of forgotten realms and a huge reason I dug Kingmaker so much. What a huge disappointment.

 

[Cryomancer]

My major disappointment is the lv cap = 10 and seem that only GOO and fiend pacts will exists for warlocks.

What? Tell me you are lying, I want to play Archfey patrons FFs. Fey and the Feywilds are my favourite parts of forgotten realms and a huge reason I dug Kingmaker so much. What a huge disappointment.

IDK if is only Early Access only or not. Nor an sure about that information. I wanna make a Lurker of the Deep warlock. But archfey seems cool too.

Why Lurker? I love cold based spells and as i've said many times, the main point of warlocks is to throw tentacles on succubus. Lurker has both.

 

[User0001]

My major disappointment is the lv cap = 10 and seem that only GOO and fiend pacts will exists for warlocks.

Has it been stated anywhere that there will for a certainty be level 10 cap as opposed to a level 1 to 10 module? The difference would be that level 10 is the expected level at the end of the game, but higher levels are attainable if played with - for example - smaller parties.