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[Delterius]

Throwing intellect devourers against two lv 1 guys poorly equipped is so ridiculous...

found the low int fighter

 

[Lilliput McHammersmith]

BG3 seems that will be low level but with high CR monsters nerfed to accommodate low level parties

I promise you, not a soul will complaing about the difficulty.
The entire thing is absolute decline.

Nah man. It’s turn based and D&D. It’s going to be great.

 

[Cryomancer]

We've already been through this. An intellect devourer is a CR 2, it's a tough fight, but totally doable.

CR made against 4 and his CR is 7.

https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering...s-by-type/aberrations/intellect-devourer-3pp/

 

[Kirkpatrick]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Intellect_devourer

 

[NJClaw]

We've already been through this. An intellect devourer is a CR 2, it's a tough fight, but totally doable.

CR made against 4 and his CR is 7.

https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering...s-by-type/aberrations/intellect-devourer-3pp/

Very cool, but this is the entry in the Monster Manual:

 

[NJClaw]

CR made against 4 and his CR is 7.

I don't think you know how challenge ratings work in D&D 5. A CR 2 is a (very) deadly encounter for a group of 2 level 1 characters, but they can still overcome it with a bit of luck or with very favorable conditions. This is the description of a "deadly" encounter:

A deadly encounter could be lethal for one or more player characters. Survival often requires good tactics and quick thinking, and the party risks defeat.

With "easy", "medium" and "hard" encounters, characters are supposed to overcome the challenge without risking death:

Easy. An easy encounter doesn't tax the characters' resources or put them in serious peril. They might lose a few hit points, but victory is pretty much guaranteed.

Medium. A medium encounter usually has one or two scary moments for the players, but the characters should emerge victorious with no casualties. One or more of them might need to use healing resources.

Hard. A hard encounter could go badly for the adventurers. Weaker characters might get taken out of the fight, and there's a slim chance that one or more characters might die.

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

For all of those still celebrating Amiga Kickstart 1.3 or earlier:

Technically, the game should work in Win 7 SP1, but we still need to do some testing and discussion before the official minimum requirements could be adjusted.

Straight outta the Larian Gazette. http://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=672165#Post672165

 

[Lacrymas]

There is also the whole thing of the DM adapting the monsters to fit the players. There's a manticore fight in one of the first quests (you can actually do it as the very first quest) in Dragon of Icespire Peak, and if the players somehow fuck up a diplomatic approach to the encounter the DM must weaken the manticore in some way unless they are hardcore-ing it up and aren't opposed to rolling new characters. My group had to fight it as a first quest and I removed its multi-attack and said it looked crippled. I think the bigger problem is the focus on epicness rather than nerfing of monsters, the nerfing is a symptom.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Low level D&D games are either auto attacks against low level kobolds like BG1 or massacre like putting a CR 20 Balor against a lv 10 party, in the plane of fire, like ToEE did. Took me almost two hours to beat on my first try and if wasen't by meta knowledge, the skull and summons, i would't have won.

OT: Solid Fog + Magic Missile + Wands allowed me to pull it off the first time, just barely. The Balor is so large that its melee attacks are always affected by concealment. The reduction in movement also allows you to kite him, while your spell casters go to work. If he dominates for scares any of your party, the fog will protect you from them, as they won't move quickly, won't detect your other members easily, and have their attacks impeded. The second time I knew about it and had discovered the power of crafting in ToEE, so it was hard, but not insane.

 

[Shrimp]

I think the bigger problem is the focus on epicness rather than nerfing of monsters, the nerfing is a symptom.

I feel like this is something that very frequently makes it way into video games. Everything has to be grand and epic right from the start. Nothing is allowed to be plain and mundane any more.
I have no idea when and how this trend started but my uneducated guess would be that a major culprit is modern movie franchises always having to out-do their previous instalments just so they can be labelled as "X but better" which creates a sort of grandeur powercreep where everything has to capture your attention as fast as possible. Fighting epic fantasy creatures makes for a more memorable and interesting experience than the same pack of wolves or goblins that you've already massacred somewhere down the road.
I know there's been made plenty of studies about how modern technology has lowered our attention span, but I don't know if it'd be on the verge of tinfoil hat territory to expect there to be some sort of connection between this and the general preference for more 'epic' content in RPGs (or any other entertainment medium for that matter)

 

[Thac0]

Throwing intellect devourers against two lv 1 guys poorly equipped is so ridiculous...

Lowering Intellect Devourers CR from 7 to 2 wasn't Larians choice, it was WOTCs.

 

[Elex]

Spoiler

TL ; DR

demons and devil appear in BG3 and their alignment (of course) matter.
also Souls coins will be in BG 3.
not only the start of BG3 is going to be in hell.

 

[Delterius]

Weren't you alright with the Beamdog companions in the EEs?

No? I just like Dorn, the others are solidified cringe.

Really, you like the character who joins the party as two enemy npcs read lines about how cool, edgy, handsome and powerful he is?

 

[Ontopoly]

I have to ask - what the fuck did you expect? The story of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 is thoroughly done and tied up. Since then three editions of D&D came out and the setting had massive changes.

It's called "Baldur's Gate 3" because "Baldur's Gate" is a known brand and, presumably, some game time will be spent in Baldur's Gate. Expecting it to be a narrative sequel to Baldur's Gate 2 is retarded, and I don't know why you'd want it to be that way.

i don't want that. I literally want no one to ever make a baldur's gate 3 ever. I expected people to stay in their lane and not touch the series ever again. Mods included. Those people are a bunch of degenerates.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Weren't you alright with the Beamdog companions in the EEs?

No? I just like Dorn, the others are solidified cringe.

Really, you like the character who joins the party as two enemy npcs read lines about how cool, edgy, handsome and powerful he is?

Our Bulgarian pederast got all wet at the description.

 

[Lacrymas]

Really, you like the character who joins the party as two enemy npcs read lines about how cool, edgy, handsome and powerful he is?

First of all, yes. Second of all, they call him a dumb, ugly animal, soooo. Third of all, I like how you don't play psychiatrist with him and he can change in BG2.

Our Bulgarian pederast got all wet at the description.

Pederast means something different in English.

 

[Bara]

Souls coins will be in BG 3

Soul Coins stuff a 5e only thing or were they in earlier editions? I have no mememory of their existence before decent into avernus.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Our Bulgarian pederast got all wet at the description.

Pederast means something different in English.

You learn something new every day.

soooo.

Your effeminate writing style is so cute though.

 

[Delterius]

First of all, yes. Second of all, they call him a dumb, ugly animal, soooo.

Which he immediately disproves because he knew of their dealings all along, tbh.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

First of all, yes. Second of all, they call him a dumb, ugly animal, soooo.

Which he immediately disproves because he knew of their dealings all along, tbh.

Are you a woman or a sexy trap?

 

[NJClaw]

First of all, yes. Second of all, they call him a dumb, ugly animal, soooo.

Which he immediately disproves because he knew of their dealings all along, tbh.

Are you a woman or a sexy trap?

He plays JRPGs

 

[Heroic Liberator]

First of all, yes. Second of all, they call him a dumb, ugly animal, soooo.

Which he immediately disproves because he knew of their dealings all along, tbh.

Are you a woman or a sexy trap?

He plays JRPGs

Well, his manhood is lost then chop or no chop.

 

[Bara]

Well PC gamer proves they have memories of tadpoles. Article says they into shows the city of baldurs gate being attacked when Swen said already that's Yatar not BG.

 

[Ontopoly]

Look everybody. All I'm saying is this game has no right being called bg3. I'm sure most of you more reasonable people here can agree with that. It is a crime against art to call this game bg3 when it makes no effort to relate to the originals in it's mechanics. If they called it something else everything would be fine. I still wouldn't play the game because larian makes horrible games but it would be fine, and I would have no issues. There are worse crimes than making a horrible game, such as creating a sequel using the name that otherwise wouldn't even qualify as a spiritual successor. Or even part of the same sub-genre. Larian is a company that is willing to do anything they want under the leadership of swen and the consumers and fans of art should hold them accountable.

Did you guys like DOS1? DOS2? I didn't. So why would you think this game would be any different. It's still the same people making the game. The only difference is Mike Mearl's is an accomplice in this stain on the art piece that is BG. Same people are making this game. maybe they have a better system to work with now, but that won't make that much of a difference. The same people behind the decisions that made DOS2 so horrible are the same people behind the decisions of this game. Sure they can't make horrible armor systems but there's still plenty. Sure they changed the dialogue after everyone told them it was a stupid decision, but the people who thought it was a good decision in the first place are still there making more decisions. There will be plenty of horrible decisions they will make that the consumers won't see. Who will hold them accountable then? The consumers have had to fix some decisions already, but who will fix the problems in act 2? act 3? act 4? Larian will continue to hurt the industry and the cultists will remain anyways because they think it's cute when he walks around in suits of armors and changes a beloved series to something that doesn't resemble the original product.

It wasn't right when Beamdog did it and it isn't right now. At least beamdog tried to honour the series, although they were way too incompetent to do so. When will studios learn their place and realize they they should stay in their own lane. The only reason Swen is in the forgotten realms is because he was too incompetent to make his own universe good. Can you honestly tell me that's someone you would trust to make a beloved series?

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG