Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[Lacrymas]

If we don't compare BG3 to Gloomhaven, Dungeon of Naheulbeuk, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, Knights of the Chalice and maybe Trials of Fire, sure, BG3 is one of the best RPGs in the last few years. BG3 isn't even one of the best RPGs in the last 15 years.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Kinght of the chalice? I would disagree with that. Knight of the chalice was a good combat simulator even halfway done (biclassing is missing) hardly a masterpiece.

 

[Lacrymas]

Compared to BG3's braindead AI and combat, KotC is a masterpiece.

 

[Swen]

BG3 left so many codexers bucks broken

Never seen this kind of seething. And not just here...

Anyway me and Bae'zel are loving the 24/7 butthurt.

 

[GaelicVigil]

I played through most of the first Act of BG3 and got bored. So I decided to try a new game to see what happens differently if you choose different option. Lo and behold, NOTHING changes. You are railroaded into 99% of everything you do no matter how you respond to a situation.

I have to say, once I saw this, the whole game broke for me. Now I can't stand it.

Baldur's Gate 3 is for me the worst game of 2023. This is not a role-playing game because the MOST Important component of a true RPG is the concept of a living world represented to a plalusible degree of realism. BG3 doesn't even try. No day-night cycles, no npc schedules, no cohesiveness in the world. The entire game is themepark in the most literal sense.

This also feels like a D&D game for people who never played D&D. You get all the D&D tropes splayed out like a carnival: "step right up and see the Owlbears!", "come over here and see the drow!"..."And behind door number 3 are DRUIDS doing DRUIDY things!!!". Like the recent D&D movie with Chris Pine, this is D&D for people who got into the game because they watched a Twitch stream from their favorite celebrities. They have never played the actual game, the one from the early 80s.

Just a garbage game for a spoiled fast-food generation of gamers.

I went back and started a new playthough of Dragon Age Origins and I was floored by how much better that old game is compared to this. NPCs were interesting and realistic. BG3 NPCs all feel like thespian stage actors where every scene feels like a broadway, backroom faggot rehearsal. DAO has an interesting, cohesive dark fanstasy world with a grim plot that grabs you from the very beginning. Compare that to BG3 where for the first 50 hours you're wandering around wondering where the hell you are and what the hell you're even supposed to be doing.

DAO beats BG3 on every level and I don't even like DAO that much. So that is saying a lot.

The best way I can sum up Baldur's Gate 3 is if you kidnapped Dungeons and Dragons and put it on display at the San Francisco Zoo.

 

[janior]

I played through most of the first Act of BG3 and got bored. So I decided to try a new game to see what happens differently if you choose different option. Lo and behold, NOTHING changes. You are railroaded into 99% of everything you do no matter how you respond to a situation.

I have to say, once I saw this, the whole game broke for me. Now I can't stand it.

Baldur's Gate 3 is for me the worst game of 2023. This is not a role-playing game because the MOST Important component of a true RPG is the concept of a living world represented to a plalusible degree of realism. BG3 doesn't even try. No day-night cycles, no npc schedules, no cohesiveness in the world. The entire game is themepark in the most literal sense.

This also feels like a D&D game for people who never played D&D. You get all the D&D tropes splayed out like a carnival or a zoo: "step right up and see the Owlbears!", "come over here and see the drow!"..."And behind door number 3 are DRUIDS doing DRUIDY things!!!". Like the recent D&D movie with Chris Pine, this is D&D for people who got into the game because they watched a Twitch stream from their favorite celebrities. They have never played the actual game, the one from the early 80s.

Just a garbage game for a spoiled fast-food generation of gamers.

I went back and started a new playthough of Dragon Age Origins and I was floored by how much better that old game is compared to this. NPCs were interesting and realistic. BG3 NPCs all feel like thespian stage actors where every scene feels like a broadway, backroom faggot rehearsal. DAO has an interesting, cohesive dark fanstasy world with a grim plot that grabs you from the very beginning. Compare that to BG3 where for the first 50 hours you're wandering around wondering where the hell you are and what the hell you're even supposed to be doing.

DAO beats BG3 on every level and I don't even like DAO that much. So that is saying a lot.

 

[Rhobar121]

The only way I can sum it up is XD.

 

[Yosharian]

BG3 does a lot of things tremendously well but it is has some seriously bad flaws.

There were moments when listening to Raphael's dialogue (and his VA performance) where I was floored by how good it was. As a sometime-DM, my thoughts were something along the lines of 'damn, I need to up my fucking game next time a voice a BBEG'.

But then on the other hand you have Karlach. It's seriously jarring.

And the lack of challenge in this game is honestly fucking shameful, especially considering that, as someone else in this thread IIRC pointed out (or maybe it was on Discord I can't remember), the encounter design is honestly quite good, especially compared to the copy paste trash we get in games like Kingmaker or Wrath. But as Lacrymas points out, the AI is really, really fucking terrible at times (although I will give them some credit for slowly improving it with patches), and it's so godamn easy once you get a handle on the gameplay systems.

So ultimately it's a real mixed bag, and that's before we address Act 3 at all.

 

[Reyvik]

Yeah, many things can be said about bg3 but things you described are actually what make this game enjoyable. Is it too casual? Yeah, maybe. If you spend your whole life throwing dices and doing spreadsheets to calculate your damage then it is casual as fuck

 

[Lacrymas]

I've been casually observing how a friend of mine plays this game and it doesn't seem to matter what you do, you'll always win, especially after a certain level. He has awful positioning and spell choices (when he isn't simply blasting fireballs around) but hasn't lost a single encounter, including bosses. I didn't say this game is for dilettantes for no reason.

 

[Swen]

I've been casually observing how a friend of mine plays this game and it doesn't seem to matter what you do, you'll always win, especially after a certain level. He has awful positioning and spell choices (when he isn't simply blasting fireballs around) but hasn't lost a single encounter, including bosses. I didn't say this game is for dilettantes for no reason.

Play a custom game if it's too easy, Patch 5 fixed the "too easy" argument.

The rest is inherent to 5e D&D combat.

 

[Hagashager]

Balanced and even chunks of Tactician are very easy, but they've introduced Honour Mode now and custom difficulty sliders. You can effectively make the game bonkers hard now.

 

[Yosharian]

That's some nuclear-grade copium right there

 

[Rhobar121]

BG3 does a lot of things tremendously well but it is has some seriously bad flaws.

There were moments when listening to Raphael's dialogue (and his VA performance) where I was floored by how good it was. As a sometime-DM, my thoughts were something along the lines of 'damn, I need to up my fucking game next time a voice a BBEG'.

But then on the other hand you have Karlach. It's seriously jarring.

And the lack of challenge in this game is honestly fucking shameful, especially considering that, as someone else in this thread IIRC pointed out (or maybe it was on Discord I can't remember), the encounter design is honestly quite good, especially compared to the copy paste trash we get in games like Kingmaker or Wrath. But as Lacrymas points out, the AI is really, really fucking terrible at times (although I will give them some credit for slowly improving it with patches), and it's so godamn easy once you get a handle on the gameplay systems.

So ultimately it's a real mixed bag, and that's before we address Act 3 at all.

The basic game is very simple, the enemies have too little HP to survive long enough to be a threat.
Fortunately, there are mods on PC that can fix this very easily.
A slight increase in damage and a huge HP bonus (over 100%) make the fight really good and easy to lose.
The AI can be stupid sometimes, although it is still above average when it comes to RPGs (it's not the highest level, but no one expected it)

 

[Padzi]

What annoys me the most about the Tactician difficulty level is that one long rest consumes 80 units of food. But it's just me because I don't like gathering stuff.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[d1r]

What annoys me the most about the Tactician difficulty level is that one long rest consumes 80 units of food. But it's just me because I don't like gathering stuff.

Just ... don't rest that much? I played Tactician too, did not horde, roleplayed, and had like 700 units at the end game.

 

[d1r]

That fact that you even feel obliged to post shit like that...

 

[Fedora Master]

This also feels like a D&D game for people who never played D&D.

Larian audience, so yes

 

[Padzi]

What annoys me the most about the Tactician difficulty level is that one long rest consumes 80 units of food. But it's just me because I don't like gathering stuff.

Just ... don't rest that much? I played Tactician too, did not horde, roleplayed, and had like 700 units at the end game.

I rest while I need to, it's not a problem, just a small annoyance. Nothing more.

 

[Fedora Master]

I've been casually observing how a friend of mine plays this game and it doesn't seem to matter what you do, you'll always win, especially after a certain level. He has awful positioning and spell choices (when he isn't simply blasting fireballs around) but hasn't lost a single encounter, including bosses. I didn't say this game is for dilettantes for no reason.

Play a custom game if it's too easy, Patch 5 fixed the "too easy" argument.

The rest is inherent to 5e D&D combat.

"You can give everyone 200% more HP! T-that's what Encounter Design means right?"

 

[Modron]

Just ... don't rest that much? I played Tactician too, did not horde, roleplayed, and had like 700 units at the end game.

The codex is full of people who complain that mages were too strong in Infinity Engine games because they rested after almost every encounter. Play IE games normally and they'll do 2-3% of your group's damage across a playthrough.

 

[Fedora Master]

This is why everyone hates you, Hymie.

 

[Ryzer]

BG3 left so many codexers bucks broken

Never seen this kind of seething. And not just here...

Anyway me and Bae'zel are loving the 24/7 butthurt.

So you are into frogs?

Weird fetish, these Belgians have.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Grauken is the typical counter-contrarian fag, if Kodex shit on something popular, it's because they're just bunch of stupid chud triggered by the message, despite himself not finishing the game because he deep down acknowledge he got better thing to do with his own leisure time than going trough act 3.

Is it tho? I mean this thread has 616 pages alone.

Sarathiour is the typical contrarian codex fag who fails to imagine that most people outside of the codex actually enjoy the game, and he's retarded enough to think because I stopped posting about the game I stopped playing it. Even Act 3 was good, despite some of its issues. Definitely one of the best RPGs of recent years.

You say that, but you're not actually saying whether or not you finished Act 3.