sheek said:
the simple fact is that it is inherently anti-social
Plenty of homosexuals are more than friendly... they're not anti-social. They're not stopping you from socializing either, or anyone else for that matter.
Really? So why do many of them want to be able to bring up children? Obviously they can't have children between themselves, but they can ask for the help of a 3rd party (of the opposite sex)...
It is obviously insane to suggest fucking your own gender can somehow be natural.
Is it insane to suggest that being a retard is natural? Did the retards choose to be born that way? Homosexuality could simply be nature's method of population control. You, even I, don't know if it's natural or not... we don't know about the laws of nature. But studies and philosophy tend to say that it's natural... I'd rather that than some BS.
You may as well say fucking animals is natural since some people do that.
Oh, please, stop using the definition of "natural" that suits you best. I'm not saying "natural" in the sense that it's something that would be normal for everyone to try, but natural in the sense that it's something that people can't control.
So, yes, zoophiles are "natural" in that sense too. They can't control their feelings... did you think that they WANTED to fuck animals? Of course not, they're probably too ashamed to even talk to anyone about it, so it's certainly not some kind of choice they made to be "different" or "hip".
It's not good, but it's natural. And we can't blame that which is natural, even if it's 'bad'.
Yes, all disordered people should be gassed. That way we could all live in a boring-ass-world where everyone are clones.
There is no right to do whatever you feel like and even less to impose on others to accept you for it.
Yeah, there shouldn't be a right to have brown hair, or blue eyes. Oh, wait, those are natural things that some people can't help having! A bit like homosexuality. I don't think that homosexuality is "good", but I don't think that those affected need to be discriminated; it's not like they're going to take over the fucking planet.
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sheek said:
ViolentOpposition said:
If homosexuality weren't natural (in many cases), then some animals wouldn't be gay either. But they are.
Sorry but that is an in(s)ane statement to make. If you think like that everything that has ever been done is natural. Robbing people is natural, killing children is natural, Hitler's genocide of the Jews was natural. The word loses any meaning.
That makes no sense at all. Everything you mentioned is a CHOICE. Homosexuality isn't a choice... or at least that's what you're trying to debate here. So, you can't just avoid making any real arguments by simply jumping to your own conclusion/opinion as a fact/argument.
Also you forget that we are not animals...
We've got reflexion/reasoning/a higher level of intelligence, and that's it
for the most part. So if homosexuality is in animals (who don't have the capability of reasoning), then it can also be in humans (who do have the capability of reasoning); we have most (all?) qualities that animals have, but not the other way round. According to you, homosexuals choose (through reasoning) to be gay, so how do animals, who have no reasoning, become gay? By magic?
On the contrary, I think it is the gays and the defenders of libertinism who think the world revolves around individuals.
There you go again, stating as a fact that homosexuality is some kind of "debauchery" that libertines practice... when scientifically, it's more likely that homosexuality is something natural, thus it in itself couldn't constitute anything that could be considered debauchery.
It's not about feelings, it's about reason and facts.
Oh, and feelings aren't "facts"? They're just something that we all imagine? But yeah, you're right, this isn't about feelings. This is about logic; homosexuals deserve respect, because, why shouldn't they? Don't people with mental disabilities deserve a little respect? They didn't choose to be that way... ohhh, but they're such a burden to society! They're not adding to anything "positive"!
Homosexuality is not something positive and that is the issue.
Really? And what is "positive"? Maybe you would like to create a master race, or rather a master humanity? That doesn't make you any better than Hitler... whether you'd kill or harm the homosexuals or not, would you have the power to do so.
This Darwinian outlook on things has been rebuked many times by savants. Life isn't just some kind of machine.
Just don't start talking about feelings (either to defend or attack), that is the worst possible excuse for avoiding an argument.
Not at all; it depends on the context.
