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You have. It's not about tactics, it's about team communication and coordination. Football doesn't have much tactical depth either, it's all about the execution.
So you admit that Dota has no prerequisite skills, only the ability to herd 4 other retards over the internet into a semi-coordinated state?
Alright, I see we agree.
Football has plenty of tactical depth. Football requires (physical) skills. Football also requires teamwork. Whatever teamwork you may think Dota requires (hint: no more than any other team FPS/RTS/RPG), it doesn't make up for lacking entirely in the other two areas.
It's actually kind of funny, because, like you say, Dota is basically about teamwork and understanding the way all the elements (champions, builds, map features) interact at any given point in time to make the best decision; thing is, you can level a very similar criticism against SC2, where being able to scout and immediately intuit what the opponent is doing exactly is the most important skill, given the game's dumbed down macro and barely existent micro.
I can level similar complaints against SC2. But I still rest my case that a good SC2 player or WC3 player (note: I'm ignoring SC players because no self-respecting one would play Dota) can start playing Dota and be the master-league equivalent within a week or two. A "good" Dota player would probably flail helplessly in silver or gold league in SC2 for a long time. That's what I mean when I say Dota is just a stripped down RTS. If RTS skills translate over so easily that you merely need to learn a few basic strategies, the general flow of the game, and memorize new skills, it's still an RTS. A dumbed down one.
ESPORTS is now BABBESPORTS. If board games were popular in the time of the internet we would see competitive Checkers matches. Consoles of course would host Tic-Tac-Toe deathmatches and be 10x more popular still. The only genre to have mostly escaped the decline seems to be the fighting games.I don't think Dota is particularly difficult, but I do think singling it out is a bit unfair. Kind of a pity that one of the few truly competitive and difficult games (Quake Live) has so little traction in the ESPORTS world.