Bioshock Infinite - the $200 million 6 hour literally on rails interactive movie with guns thread

[Borelli]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...robo-george-washington-should-you-be-worried/

Fuck me Beck has gone fully off the rails with this shit. Between this rambling and wanting to build libertardian isle Beck is gonna go Branch Davidians in the next 2 years.

The games tend to be a Rorschach [test] for people, and I’ve heard both sides of reaction [to the demo]. I had the displeasure of going to a white supremacist site that made a point of saying this game by “the Jew” Ken Levine was about killing white people. But then I went to this leftist site that said this is about discrediting leftists movements. Games, as I said, are a Rorschach, and I don’t want to be making games that are expressing a political or philosophical view.

Nice trolling there by Ken Levine.

 

[Machocruz]

Now I'm definitely not playing if I have to put up with this kind of shenanigans.

 

[Azrael the cat]

I still think the best story in a shooter was FEAR. Until they ruined it in the sequels by making Paxton Fettel a villain (listen to him, and look at the guys he kills - he isn't indiscriminately murdering, he is taking precision strikes on guys who repeatedly raped a 14 year old, literally ripped her two infants from her arms to turn them into brainwashed supersoldiers, and so Fettel is trying to take out only the guys responsible with minimal civililian casualties while trying to trigger his brother (the main character) into remembering who they both are. Even when he releases Alma (and even Alma isn't pure evil in the first game - she wants revenge just like Fettel, but after you jog her memory via a few bullets to her zombified head the last thing she does is reach out to caress you (as opposed to the instakill touch if you don't fire at her) while saying 'my baby'. And Fettel isn't evil under any interpretation - though he certainly starts off looking that way due to his ability to read a person's memories by eating their brain (and you don't know at first that the guy he is eating is a complete rapist monster). When Fettel gets the choice between dying or fighting his own little brother, he simply gets down on his knees and lets you shoot him (even though he has several heavies as backup if he wanted to defend himself). The player character is way more morally ambiguous that Fettel is on that point.

Yeah there's that cheesy helicopter ending, but that just reeked of 'publisher wanted to keep things open for a sequel so we'll have zombie-Alma AND point man survive an explosion that should have incinerated both, and have her jump on the helicopter for a cheap scare that is never referenced again'. Ignore that part, and you've got a great slow-burn story where it's not just the false memory thing (though the 2nd time I played it I face-palmed at the start when Fettel knocked me out, could easily have killed me, but instead says 'what's the 1st thing you remember?' - once you realise the significance of that it becomes so obvious that he's constantly pulling troops away from you so you don't get hurt, but are given just enough opposition to lead you to the evidence of the fucked up things the corporation did.

 

[Cromwell]

Spoiler

Imagine how much cooler it would have been if instead of different universes they explored the human mind more, things like false memories, guilt and redemption, creating your own false world so as to live with yourself. They might have even got something really touching like Booker completely losing his mind and living in an imaginative world where he is happy with his daughter and hadn't sold her. Even the game being an illusion/dream in which he saves her as he never managed to do in real life would have been better.

You should try The Darkness 2, another story-based FPS from 2K. It heavily features the "mind trick" you just described. And it has much better (and more "fun") shooting mechanisms than Bioshlock, none of the ludonarrative dissonance, and generally a much better, more coherent self-consistent story with a better digital waifu than Elizabeth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iaYLCiq5RM

But Shutter Island doesn't have a digital waifu for "emotional engagement"! Also no devil snakes that do torture porn style kills.

Ofc it has, and shes also damaged, which makes here even more engaging! No snakes though but I think there were Ravens somewhere If I remember correctly.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...robo-george-washington-should-you-be-worried/

Fuck me Beck has gone fully off the rails with this shit. Between this rambling and wanting to build libertardian isle Beck is gonna go Branch Davidians in the next 2 years.

The games tend to be a Rorschach [test] for people, and I’ve heard both sides of reaction [to the demo]. I had the displeasure of going to a white supremacist site that made a point of saying this game by “the Jew” Ken Levine was about killing white people. But then I went to this leftist site that said this is about discrediting leftists movements. Games, as I said, are a Rorschach, and I don’t want to be making games that are expressing a political or philosophical view.

Nice trolling there by Ken Levine.

My game doesnt has valid point and the story is so trashy that you could fit every thought in it you ever thougt was right = I dont want to make games which expresses a view = I'm as shallow as my art design.

 

[aris]

Is she casting Timestop?

That's how a troll spends her timestop!

 

[RRRrrr]

Is she casting Timestop?

I don't think this is actually in-game, some guy on deviantart made it.

 

[Diablo169]

Yes in game the people behind her are dancing and singing as well. This is supposed to be her very first human interaction beyond Booker since birth outside of a lab. She's a suprisingly well adjusted reality warping closet kid.

 

[hiver]

I have a question.

You and your questions....

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

I still think the best story in a shooter was FEAR.

"You will be a god among men"

And you end as a corporate tool. And I agree, it's excellent FPS, probably one that I could place in classic section. Also Condemned had some really nice narration and game mechanics which were focused on melee weapons.

 

[RRRrrr]

This is basically the whole story (cutscenes, dialogues, audiologs and a little combat) without the unnecessarily long/boring bits. If anyone is interested in the sroy alone I guess it is better than the average Let's play.
Had this come earlier I might have not bothered with the game :D

 

[ohWOW]

This game is the unnecessarily long/boring bit.

 

[aris]

This is basically the whole story (cutscenes, dialogues, audiologs and a little combat) without the unnecessarily long/boring bits. If anyone is interested in the sroy alone I guess it is better than the average Let's play.
Had this come earlier I might have not bothered with the game :D

Might be useful for consulting.

 

[Stabwound]

I've been playing this for about 1.5-2 hours, and I dunno, the setting is cool but I guess this just isn't my kind of game. I've only played the first Bioshock, but at least that was kind of Metroidvania like where you'd wander around, get new powers to open previously inaccessible areas, etc. This seems like a linear rail shooter unless it opens up later. Is there even an in-game map? If not, that's pretty telling.

I'm not sure I'll even finish it. I can barely give a shit about non-RPGs these days.

 

[RRRrrr]

OMG! They should have just used parachutes and jumped down instead of fucking around for 10 hours or so. Mind=blown.

 

[sea]

I have a question.

You and your questions....

I kinda just imagine that I'm this dude at 2:10 or so, all the time.

 

[Blaine]

I kinda just imagine that I'm this dude at 2:10 or so, all the time.

Thanks a lot, buddy. Now I'm irresistably compelled to go back and watch all of his reviews again.

 

[hiver]

You want to fire the plasma core?

mkay...





(he has gone crazy people...craaaaazzy)

 

[Zeriel]

Hexen is a better game than Bioshock Infinite. There, I said it.

 

[sea]

I kinda just imagine that I'm this dude at 2:10 or so, all the time.

Thanks a lot, buddy. Now I'm irresistably compelled to go back and watch all of his reviews again.

You're welcome.

I have probably watched all the RedLetterMedia reviews about 5 times over. They're still as hilarious as the first time I saw each of them.

There's probably something wrong with me.

 

[Blaine]

This game I played on a RadioShack Tandy in 1986 is better than BioShock Infinite.



I actually did play this, at age four... much anguish was had. It's hard as shit.

 

[Excidium]

Even Bioshock is better than Bioshock Infinite.

 

[hiver]

No, thats actually a normal reaction. They are great.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

I thought Bioshock was an interesting game but not a great one. I felt the same way about Bioshock 2.

I'm currently playing Infinite and so far it feels exactly the same as the first Bioshock. It has a nostalgic-yet-futuristic setting, it is split into levels, there are voice recordings lying around which explain a bit about the lore, combat is a mix of running and gunning and using special powers, and really there isn't anything more to it. It is simple and I just don't like that in shooters.

Fargo told Levine we've come a long way since Doom, but the Bioshock games haven't done anything different with the formula. Half-Life 2 did, though. That was a shooter which had interesting puzzles, diversions and a story based around set pieces. Bioshock has a bit of the latter but none of the former. It is just shoot, shoot, shoot.

I get why Fargo is bigging up Levine, they're obviously friends and Levine does make good games. Just not great ones. I'm expecting Wasteland 2 and Torment 2 to be great games.

 

[DalekFlay]

I still think the best story in a shooter was FEAR.

Love that game. Intense story too. Blowing Fettel's brains out was a great moment, a gameplay moment too not just sit and watch. God damn it now I've even more pissed at decline.

 

[DalekFlay]

I've been playing this for about 1.5-2 hours, and I dunno, the setting is cool but I guess this just isn't my kind of game. I've only played the first Bioshock, but at least that was kind of Metroidvania like where you'd wander around, get new powers to open previously inaccessible areas, etc. This seems like a linear rail shooter unless it opens up later. Is there even an in-game map? If not, that's pretty telling.

It's much more linear than Bioshock. Still has some open areas as the game goes along with hidden side paths and shit but it's much more of a corridor overall. I likened it to Crysis --> Crysis 2 before, and I think that still works.