Game News bitComposer issue official statement on Chaos Chronicles

[HobGoblin42]

Seems like one of the partners left due to some heavy disagreements, since the game seemed almost ready and since he sold/handed over his shares to some investor.

No, he left because of the sad truth that you can't realize good games under those circumstances (small budget, little time, but many features). And we are talking about our game before Chaos Chronicles.

 

[80Maxwell08]

Well now I'm just confused. I'm just going to stick with "I hope this game comes out".

 

[Volrath]

 

[Infinitron]

Seems like one of the partners left due to some heavy disagreements, since the game seemed almost ready and since he sold/handed over his shares to some investor.

No, he left because of the sad truth that you can't realize good games under those circumstances (small budget, little time, but many features). And we are talking about our game before Chaos Chronicles.

Jagged Alliance?

 

[Grunker]

Reposting:

"The first casualty of War is Truth"

During a 5 hours meeting, we've discussed and negotiated every detail of a final agreement between bitComposer and Coreplay for realizing a completion of Chaos Chronicles.
We wrote all those terms and conditions into a contract and at the end of this meeting day, both parties agreed to those terms.
Unfortunately (and surprisingly) bitComposer rejected to sign this agreement on this day because they still wanted to clarify an open issue regarding the tax. But before leaving our office, they've promised us to check this issue as soon as possible to make a final signment possible in the next days.

This was two month ago and we haven't heard back from them since then.


In their recent statement to the petition, they mentioned a meeting last week (24th July). But they did not mention the fact that they already announced not to sign anything in that meeting. That's why we haven't attend it, because we don't have time for this 'play for time' bullshit anymore.


And for the records: the main reason for this dispute was the controversy about an early release of Chaos Chronicles in March 2013. A release at this time would have led to horrible consequences for the game regarding its quality, content and stability.
Since bitComposer rejected to invest more money into our game, we had to get the money elsewhere. Throwing an unfinished and crappy game on the market was no option for us and that's why we had no other choice than borrowing money from third parties to continue the development and completion of our game. We wanted to release this particular game as it was intended, because otherwise we wouldn't get a second chance to create such a game again.

At some point, you have to fight for your creative work, no matter what financial and legal consequences it could cause. Otherwise you would give up your work and all dreams you had.

And before we release a game like 'Citadels' (which was definitely released before its completion), we prefer not release a game at all.

And for the records: the main reason for this dispute was the controversy about an early release of Chaos Chronicles in March 2013. A release at this time would have led to horrible consequences for the game regarding its quality, content and stability.
Since bitComposer rejected to invest more money into our game, we had to get the money elsewhere. Throwing an unfinished and crappy game on the market was no option for us and that's why we had no other choice than borrowing money from third parties to continue the development and completion of our game. We wanted to release this particular game as it was intended, because otherwise we wouldn't get a second chance to create such a game again.

Excuse me Hob, but please correct me if I got any of this wrong. I am trying to understand completely what you're saying here:

You make a deal with bitComposer. They give you an amount of money, and for that amount of money, you promise to make a game. You then run out of said money, they demand you release the game, and you refuse.

Is that correct? While I admire your determination to get this game finished properly (I'd like to play that game!), what you're saying here is that you broke the deal with bC? I find it a bit difficult to be mad at someone for not paying more money than they promised. They're not a charity.

Excuse me Hob, but please correct me if I got any of this wrong. I am trying to understand completely what you're saying here:

You make a deal with bitComposer. They give you an amount of money, and for that amount of money, you promise to make a game. You then run out of said money, they demand you release the game, and you refuse.

Is that correct? While I admire your determination to get this game finished properly (I'd like to play that game!), what you're saying here is that you broke the deal with bC?

No, it's not. And it's far more complicated. First: the game didn't start a this scope, second: our previous project plays a role in that disaster. But the situation became finally worst when bitComposer stopped their payments (milestone payments of the original, agreed development budget).

Excuse me Hob, but please correct me if I got any of this wrong. I am trying to understand completely what you're saying here:

You make a deal with bitComposer. They give you an amount of money, and for that amount of money, you promise to make a game. You then run out of said money, they demand you release the game, and you refuse.

Is that correct? While I admire your determination to get this game finished properly (I'd like to play that game!), what you're saying here is that you broke the deal with bC?

No, it's not. And it's far more complicated. First: the game didn't start a this scope, second: our previous project plays a role in that disaster. But the situation became finally worst when bitComposer stopped their payments (milestone payments of the original, agreed development budget).

Ah, I see. Thanks!

So:

1) Who decided to increase the scope? Did bC agree to that?

2) Surely everyone agreed that an increase a scope would mean an increase in budget. Was this ever discussed?

3) Jagged Alliance played a role? How?

4) So they stopped the funds because they believed you hadn't reached a milestone, while you hold that you did?

It seems like quite the complicated affair, just trying to get the facts straight.

It seems like quite the complicated affair, just trying to get the facts straight.

Yes, indeed it is. And possibly I will answer your questions in a post mortem some day. But for now, I have to take care about our new project.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...le-with-bitcomposer.84933/page-9#post-2791536

 

[FeelTheRads]

RIP, game that looked amazing but was too good to be true and was never meant to be.

Let's see what's next:

Wasteland 2: Implements first person camera. Those cover shootings never felt more real.

Torment 2: Implements Gaider.

AoD: Released Thursday. Except it's Thursday 2050 so nobody cares because everyone who ever cared is dead. VD, fused with machines, sheds an invisible tear.

PE: Sawyer

 

[Azalin]

in b4

bitComposer: You!!
Coreplay: No, You!!
bitComposer: No, its you!!
Coreplay: No, You!!

A bit too late for that I am afraid

 

[Infinitron]

Grunker Post his response too.

 

[Murk]

RIP, game that looked amazing but was too good to be true and was never meant to be.

Let's see what's next:

PE: Sawyer

I chuckled

 

[Grunker]

Infinitron: I'll keep that post updated. Updated it now with his response and mine.

 

[Robert Jarzebina]

So the game went overbudget , bitComposer said "Fuck shit release shit already, nuff said! ", but someone from Coreplay's management felt about releasing not finished game and legally blocked game production to prevent releasing shovelware.

bitComposer wont give more nazi gold for production and Coreplay wont release a half made game.

 

[hoverdog]

RIP Chaos Chronicles, I hardly knew ye

 

[HiddenX]

So all parties involved take the term Chaos Chronicles in literal sense...

 

[Infinitron]

Updated OP.

 

[Murk]

So... the game was damn near complete... and now it's looking like it won't be released.

What. The. Fuck.

 

[Grunker]

this suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

 

[MicoSelva]

Update 2: Peter has more-or-less confirmed that the game is dead.

 

[Jashiin]

2013 the year the incline declined

 

[Vault Dweller]

The incline list is surely getting shorter. From "OMG! Turn-based RPGs are everywhere!" to this.

Shadowrun - the modders will fix it
Realms of Arkania - what is this, I don't even...
Chaos Chronicles - the lawyers got to it first.

 

[imweasel]

It's all about the money
It's all about the dum dum didudumdum
I don't think it's funny
to see us fade away

 

[Grunker]

You forgot the ineptitude of Xenonauts that started it all. That project looks more and more like a drawn-out development-hell of mini-patches that fix fuck all.

Wasteland 2, please be motherfucking awesome.

 

[evdk]

The incline list is surely getting shorter. From "OMG! Turn-based RPGs are everywhere!" to this.

Shadowrun - the modders will fix it
Realms of Arkania - what is this, I don't even...
Chaos Chronicles - the lawyers got to it first.

AoD - Thursday is delayed.

 

[Jashiin]

Wasteland 2: How a camera destroyed my soul

 

[Crispy]

Shadowrun - the modders will fix it

That's not fair. Come on.

 

[Haba]

The incline list is surely getting shorter. From "OMG! Turn-based RPGs are everywhere!" to this.

Shadowrun - the modders will fix it
Realms of Arkania - what is this, I don't even...
Chaos Chronicles - the lawyers got to it first.

Dead State - ...nomen est omen
Wasteland 2 - Proven to be an elaborate Russian hoax after Brian Fargo's decomposed corpse is accidentally discovered
Project Eternity - After Josh Sawyer is shot by R.O. Guyey during his wedding ceremony, the project collapses on itself
Torment 2 - After inXile's downfall, the assets are re-purposed and the game is finally released as a visual novel on PS4
Age of Decadence - Released on Thursday August 29, 2027 - three hours before SKYNET gains self-awareness
Grimoire - On January, 2102, Cleve sends an update to the backers of the sixtieth fund-raising campaign, promising the superdemo release "soon"