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Blood Bowl 3

SmartCheetah

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still no proper league tools still no buy
There are league tools already, but as you said - they aint no proper (not in game, you need to use some sort of web client) - and they are somewhat buggy. Still, we're gonna test them out in several days.
 

Grunker

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still no proper league tools still no buy
There are league tools already, but as you said - they aint no proper (not in game, you need to use some sort of web client) - and they are somewhat buggy. Still, we're gonna test them out in several days.

I run a league with 70ish players and we can’t migrate from BB2 yet due to the state of the league tools.
 

sser

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When you consider the point of Blood Bowl and what's missing from this iteration, BB3 might be in the running for one of the worst releases in a while. I think it's compounded by the fact they already have BB2 to look at and improve upon, but somehow they spun out completely and discarded a bunch of features while injecting MTX and an assload of bugs. Also I'm still butthurt about them taking a fairly novel team design in the Berts and updating them into a barely Human-adjacent squad.
 

SmartCheetah

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still no proper league tools still no buy
There are league tools already, but as you said - they aint no proper (not in game, you need to use some sort of web client) - and they are somewhat buggy. Still, we're gonna test them out in several days.

I run a league with 70ish players and we can’t migrate from BB2 yet due to the state of the league tools.
Have you tried those new webclient tools?
 

bionicman

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No halfling faction but you can throw halflings, the old world alliance has a tree and can have up to 2 flings, humans can also have up to 3 flings (thrown by ogre)
 

darkpatriot

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Are they still ignoring single player in BB3 or have they introduced any kind of meaningful single player campaign mode?
 

Grunker

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BB is not a single player game.

still no proper league tools still no buy
There are league tools already, but as you said - they aint no proper (not in game, you need to use some sort of web client) - and they are somewhat buggy. Still, we're gonna test them out in several days.

I run a league with 70ish players and we can’t migrate from BB2 yet due to the state of the league tools.
Have you tried those new webclient tools?

Our admin team has enough upkeep running a league with this amount of players, I don't want to go off-site for it as well.

When you consider the point of Blood Bowl and what's missing from this iteration, BB3 might be in the running for one of the worst releases in a while.

Which was true for BB1 and BB2 as well. I told our admins we'd have to wait at least a year or two to migrate, and they didn't believe me. They do now.
 

bionicman

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Oh yeah, one more nonsensical thing, you can report another player for verbal abuse... but there is no chat in the game!
 

Serus

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Are they still ignoring single player in BB3 or have they introduced any kind of meaningful single player campaign mode?
Doesn't matter. Either way the AI will be brain dead. As in a zombie who was retarded even before dying. Just like in earlier games of the series. It makes single player, at best, a tool for learning the interface and rules if someone needs the latter.
I believe they are making a bad choice financially not working on SP in those games but i might be wrong.
 

darkpatriot

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Are they still ignoring single player in BB3 or have they introduced any kind of meaningful single player campaign mode?
Doesn't matter. Either way the AI will be brain dead. As in a zombie who was retarded even before dying. Just like in earlier games of the series. It makes single player, at best, a tool for learning the interface and rules if someone needs the latter.
I believe they are making a bad choice financially not working on SP in those games but i might be wrong.

Most games have bad AI, but they are still plenty fun single player games that can even be challenging because they give the AI more resources or advantages than you. They could have you face higher TV teams to make it more challenging (and you don't need to have inducement money if they want to make it more challenging), as well as adding challenges in the campaign/management gameplay layer.

I am not talking about them just adding better support for single player leagues. I want a much more substantial and meaty campaign/management layer. I can think of two different ways that I think would be fun.

1.) Some kind of open world that you travel around in. In addition to traveling around to play one off matches and leagues/tournaments, you have to do all the team management and deal with events/travel logistics/etc... Think something like mount and blade.

2.) Massively rework and expand the team management options to make it more like a full sports management simulation type game. Think of something like all the various sports management sims out there.

I know that I am being wildly optimistic here, as I doubt they would put the resources into a substantial single player gameplay mode. But if they even got 1/4 of the way there I think it could be worthwhile fun.

The Blood Bowl tactical combat is some of the best seen in video games, and creating a single player game built around having the combat be Blood Bowl matches would be highly enjoyable.
 

Serus

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Are they still ignoring single player in BB3 or have they introduced any kind of meaningful single player campaign mode?
Doesn't matter. Either way the AI will be brain dead. As in a zombie who was retarded even before dying. Just like in earlier games of the series. It makes single player, at best, a tool for learning the interface and rules if someone needs the latter.
I believe they are making a bad choice financially not working on SP in those games but i might be wrong.

Most games have bad AI, but they are still plenty fun single player games that can even be challenging because they give the AI more resources or advantages than you. They could have you face higher TV teams to make it more challenging (and you don't need to have inducement money if they want to make it more challenging), as well as adding challenges in the campaign/management gameplay layer.

I am not talking about them just adding better support for single player leagues. I want a much more substantial and meaty campaign/management layer. I can think of two different ways that I think would be fun.

1.) Some kind of open world that you travel around in. In addition to traveling around to play one off matches and leagues/tournaments, you have to do all the team management and deal with events/travel logistics/etc... Think something like mount and blade.

2.) Massively rework and expand the team management options to make it more like a full sports management simulation type game. Think of something like all the various sports management sims out there.

I know that I am being wildly optimistic here, as I doubt they would put the resources into a substantial single player gameplay mode. But if they even got 1/4 of the way there I think it could be worthwhile fun.

The Blood Bowl tactical combat is some of the best seen in video games, and creating a single player game built around having the combat be Blood Bowl matches would be highly enjoyable.
I agree about games giving the AI more resources to compensate for the poor AI. That's the standard. And perhaps that could work. However in BB1 the AI was one of the worst I've seen. It was the absolute minimum to call it a "working AI". But they didn't care. And they won't. You still need to work on the AI a little because it needs to be able to use its advantages you give it, to some extent.

I'd like a BB single player as well, in that we agree, it would be nice. But it won't happen.
 

Harthwain

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One funny thing about AI in Blood Bowl 2 was that Easy was the most difficult one to play against, because often it took huge risks and sometimes it paid off, while the supposedly the most difficult one (in name) was calculating so much to play it as safe as possible that it was hamstringing itself in the process.
 

bionicman

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I got hooked on blood bowl again, playing this... the issues I wrote about still kind of stand, but they have fixed a lot of bugs, and it's kind of fun to play with the new ruleset and teams I haven't seen in bb1 and bb2 (I'm playing the old world alliance mostly)
 

SmartCheetah

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So, that's the last team people mined information about from the game files at the release. I'm curious what's next? Gnomes? Khorne? Ogres?

Still, if they won't change how battle pass works or introduce more ways to earn warpstone for free, game will stay dead even with several more new teams. Also, adding more single player modes won't hurt.
 

Harthwain

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Still, if they won't change how battle pass works or introduce more ways to earn warpstone for free, game will stay dead even with several more new teams. Also, adding more single player modes won't hurt.
That's why I am staying away from Blood Bowl 3 until they offer the full game at a reasonable price (by "full game" I mean mostly teams).
 
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Desman

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Still a pile of shit. If you want to play Blood Bowl, play on FUMBBL.
But... but... where are muh pretty pictures and polygons and high resolutions?
I know all the "hardcore" competitive players truly like the rules and stuff but as a casual player who barely want to play vs others humans all i want is a decent AI, a campaign and good customization options to enjoy the "virtual" minis. It's fucking Warhammer afterall, you guys make it sound like it absolutly need to be abstract like chess.
 

Desman

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As I said, if they used the dota 2 model where everything is free except cosmetics (and the game was good), I'm sure WH nerds would make it profitable.

Imagine custom chants, stadium and highly customizable teams etc.

Oh well.
The best model would be a mix of free cosmetics (that you can unlock with grind), some paid cosmetics and some league/tournament/ladder rewards.

Say what you want about Fortnite but this is one of the reasons this game was so succesfull and profitable. A Warhammer game is taylor made for skins/cosmetics and you can easily monetize this shit without being petty.
 

darkpatriot

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Still a pile of shit. If you want to play Blood Bowl, play on FUMBBL.
But... but... where are muh pretty pictures and polygons and high resolutions?
I know all the "hardcore" competitive players truly like the rules and stuff but as a casual player who barely want to play vs others humans all i want is a decent AI, a campaign and good customization options to enjoy the "virtual" minis. It's fucking Warhammer afterall, you guys make it sound like it absolutly need to be abstract like chess.
I read somewhere that the next update (Season 7?) is adding in an expanded single player mode similar to the eternal campaign of BB2. That would imply AI improvements for SP, but I haven't seen that explicitly stated.
 

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