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[Twinfalls]

Esta Noch, La Hiena Humana, Modelo Para Armar, did that make a fucking difference to you now? What, are you going to take everything I say seriously now? No, I thought not

Hmmm. I googled all three. 'La Hiena Humana' crops up on IMDB - from 1995. Yet it's Mexican. I thought you said your films were Argentinian? There is no film called 'Modelo Para Armar' to be found, but there is a music CD with that name. Only it's by a gentleman named 'Juan Carlos Baglietto', who is not linked to films in any way. The other title you mention yields a whole lot of nothing.

I'm not saying there aren't such films in existence, or that you aren't their score composer, but perhaps you ought to link us to some actual samples of your work, along with actual websites about these movies, if you want your bold 'I am a film composer' claim to be taken seriously. Especially since you invoke it to bolster your dumbfoundingly idiotic arguments about music.

No, I said a composition for 4 or 5 midi instruments is less complex then a score for a full orchestra.

Wrong. You said words to the effect of 'DF's music cannot, in any way, be more sophisticated than Morrowind's - because it is in MIDI'. If you are to deny this, then you're a liar.

Right, if they are so plainly obvious, you should have no trouble writing up a quick explanation, right?

I have already. You, on the other hand, seem incapable of telling us, despite your authorial film composer credo, how the music is 'better' and 'SO ORIGINAL!!'

 

[Levski 1912]

Geez people, it's a game soundtrack. If you like it, good for you. If you don't- well, it's a PC game, it shouldn't be overly difficult to replace the soundtrack with your own music files.

 

[Twinfalls]

Yeah that's right. "Use your fantasy".

Even better: "If you don't like it, MOD IT".

Thanks for that, Frankie/Rendelius.

 

[Levski 1912]

Yeah that's right. "Use your fantasy".

Even better: "If you don't like it, MOD IT".

Thanks for that, Frankie/Rendelius.

It just seems that compared to Oblivion's larger flaws, arguing over the music (which is hopefully easily replaceable) seems like a storm in a teacup.

 

[geminito]

Good game music is meant to enhance the in-game experience, and Morrowind's music was great for that. Sounds like Oblivion music will do the same. Not much to listen to on its own though... Yeah, just wait for the game.

Oops, I mean Oblivion sucks and no RPGs are good anymore.

 

[Twinfalls]

@Levski

It's actually more than that. You see, had you played Arena and Daggerfall, you would recall how good their soundtracks were. How much atmosphere and intrigue they added to the experience, and how generous the music was, with so many different songs for differing circumstances.

Morrowind threw all that out the door, replacing many, many, relatively sophisticated songs with a few, non-contextual bloated pieces of pomp.

And now it seems the pomp is even more evident, yet the songs are even more lacking in basic originality or substance in melody, lacking in the kind of depth and unusual atmosphere that Daggerfall and Arena's soundtracks imparted.

It's bland, Disney stuff they've got here, and it adds to the picture we have built up about the game as a whole, and Bethesda's treatment of the Elder Scrolls gameworld.

 

[aweigh]

People who say a game's music is not important need to die.

 

[Rendelius]

1) Directmusic.com is Soule's site. He sells his own stuff there, and I think it is more than legit that a composer tries to market his work.
2) Personally, I think that most of the work for Oblivion presented there is of high quality, better than the Morrowind stuff. The main theme, however, isn't to my liking, the sped up title theme of Morrowind sounds a little odd.
3) I am not buying the soundtrack. For me, it's not worth spending money on.

 

[aweigh]

Then don't spend money on the game either. For the sake of humanity!

 

[Tintin]

Le Heina Humana was released in Mexico but the score was done by me, I knew the director. This is Modelo Para Armar http://imdb.com/title/tt0483292/ . I'm not going to directly link you cause we all know there's nothing better then to give out your identity to random codexers on the internet

You said words to the effect of 'DF's music cannot, in any way, be more sophisticated than Morrowind's - because it is in MIDI'. If you are to deny this, then you're a liar.

No, they can't - because they consist of pieces with 4 to 5 MIDI tracks while Morrowind is a score for a full orchestra. God, use your brain.

I have already.

No you haven't. Sure, you've thrown meaningless words around "this dumb, like, empty music, like, nothing music, like, it's like, nothingness music, it's like, dumb, like, empty music", and have indeed called the orchestral score "new age music" (that was a kicker). You still haven't described any issues with the music.

You, on the other hand, seem incapable of telling us, despite your authorial film composer credo, how the music is 'better' and 'SO ORIGINAL!!'

Fallacies of Distraction. A fallacy of distraction occurs when one is trapped and seeks, by various and sundry means, to change the subject. Instead of saying, "You've got me there," he says, "Look! A comet!" One example of a fallacy of distraction is the abusive ad hominem: "That can't be right because you're a jerk." The man is attacked instead of his argument. Another example is that of tu quoque: "Oh yeah? Well, you've done it too!"

with so many different songs for differing circumstances.

replacing many, many, relatively sophisticated songs with a few

Yeah, Twinny, that's cause, I don't know, it might, just might, take a lot, lot, lot, lot longer to make a realistic orchestral track then a MIDI with 3 instruments. I don't know just maybe. Just maybe. Then again, I guess they should've just made MIDI tracks for Morrowind and Oblivion, yeah, that would've been great.

Yeah that's right. "Use your fantasy".

Even better: "If you don't like it, MOD IT".

Thanks for that, Frankie/Rendelius.

You forgot "Play it the right way" and "use your imagination". -Twinfalls (on Daggerfall)

 

[elander_]

No, they can't - because they consist of pieces with 4 to 5 MIDI tracks while Morrowind is a score for a full orchestra. God, use your brain.

This is a quantity vs. quality debate. Does it makes a difference if they use 5 tracks or just an entire orchestra? Daggerfall had a great vareity in original musics and a huge amount of ambient or experimental musics similar to the Exorcist or Once Upon a Time in the West movies but more in a fantasy world and dungeon mood.

Have a look for yourself with a modern soundcard that can play midi well:

http://institute.no.sapo.pt/Songs_Palete.rar

The question here is not technical potential for static musics which mp3 is better. Midi is better used for musics whose playback is controled by the game engine dynamicaly in more subtle ways than just lower/raise volume.

With the money wasted in Soule, Beth could have hired the guy who made Df musics and have it made new musics following the familiar Elderscrolls theme. This is typical of amateur developers who don't have confidence in the good things they have and go for the most famed composer.

 

[Tintin]

This is a quantity vs. quality debate. Does it makes a difference if they use 5 tracks or just an entire orchestra?

It certainly makes a difference if we are discussing the complexity of the work. Composing a song with just 4 basic MIDI tracks is simple, composing a score for a full orchestra is more difficult and is, yeah, more complex. It's not quality vs. quantity, because you can make an orchestral score with MIDI tracks as well and we still use MIDI in sequencers.

With the money wasted in Soule, Beth could have hired the guy who made Df musics and have it made new musics following the familiar Elderscrolls theme. This is typical of amateur developers who don't have confidence in the good things they have and go for the most famed composer.

Yeah, well obviously I would prefer if everyone chose less well-known composers for work more then anyone, and I'm sure the DF composer would have done a great job. However, this is not an excuse to make stupid, baseless statements (like calling an orchestral score new age music) and making meaningless insults like "nothing music, empty music".

 

[Twinfalls]

Le Heina Humana was released in Mexico but the score was done by me, I knew the director. This is Modelo Para Armar http://imdb.com/title/tt0483292/

You'll need to do a little better than that. Link to something with actual info about the film, and a sample of the actual music, for example.

You said words to the effect of 'DF's music cannot, in any way, be more sophisticated than Morrowind's - because it is in MIDI'. If you are to deny this, then you're a liar.

No, they can't - because they consist of pieces with 4 to 5 MIDI tracks while Morrowind is a score for a full orchestra.

I believe this is the point where I say 'I rest my case'.

You still haven't described any issues with the music.

And have you explained in detail, for us non-FiLm KomPoserS, how the new music is so 'Original!' and 'Better!!!1'?

Fallacies of Distraction. A fallacy of distraction occurs <snip>

What the crap is this??

Yeah, Twinny, that's cause, I don't know, it might, just might, take a lot, lot, lot, lot longer to make a realistic orchestral track then a MIDI with 3 instruments.

Okay, so 'it takes a lot longer to make' = 'it is better'. Hmmmmm.

not an excuse to make stupid, baseless statements (like calling an orchestral score new age music

HAHAHA!! IT CAN'T BE CALLED 'NEW AGE' - It's ORKESTRAL!!

 

[Tintin]

I believe this is the point where I say 'I rest my case'.

Yea, scoring for a full orchestra is nowhere near as complex as making MIDI tracks with 4 instruments. Thanks for the advice. Next time anyone asks anyone else to make a complex orchestral score, they can say "Well, Boss, I think making MIDI tunes with 3-4 instruments would dazzle the audience more in terms of complexity"

Okay, so 'it takes a lot longer to make' = 'it is better'. Hmmmmm.

Wow! It's reading time! Hmm, Twinfalls criticizing Morrowind as being crap because it reduced the amount of tracks from Daggerfall. Tintin responds that obviously Morrowind will have less tracks because it takes longer to make. Twinfalls then evades responding by switching to an argument about quality. Amazing!

And have you explained in detail, for us non-FiLm KomPoserS, how the new music is so 'Original!' and 'Better!!!1'?

Do you have spelling issues? Haven't you read about the Fallacy of Distraction? How about answering my question?

HAHAHA!! IT CAN'T BE CALLED 'NEW AGE' - It's ORKESTRAL!!

It's spelt "orchestral. Come on, get that spelling up to shape!

Aw, poor Twinny, doesn't know the difference between Oblivion's orchestral music and New Age music. Of course, even complete morons would realize that New Age music is characterized in simple defintion as a type of electronic and ambient music, with more usage of pads, samples, and that only a complete fool would call a full orchestral score "New Age", but hey, who needs knowledge when you're response will be "LOL NEW AGE LOL U SUCK EMPTY NOTHING MUSIC LYKE NOTHING MUSIC"

and a sample of the actual music

Hey, I'd gladly upload a sample of the music. I would of course think it's useless since there's no way to prove that it's from the film on the internet, but hey, if that's what you want......

 

[Naked_Lunch]

Shut up, both of you. All the TES games are shit, the next one will be shit, the one after that will be shit, all the music in the game shit. The gameplay is shit. The art direction is shit. The setting is shit. Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit.

 

[mckracken]

Yes I quite agree, shut up you blithering idiots.

 

[elander_]

It certainly makes a difference if we are discussing the complexity of the work. Composing a song with just 4 basic MIDI tracks is simple, composing a score for a full orchestra is more difficult and is, yeah, more complex. It's not quality vs. quantity, because you can make an orchestral score with MIDI tracks as well and we still use MIDI in sequencers.

The only complex thing in orchestral music is to make sure all those dudes in the orchestra play their part in the music right.

People can make complex and intrincate music masterpieces only by using a single instrument like a piano or a violin. Adding an orchestra to a piano concert would make it more complex but not necessarly better. Complexity is not realy a very useful way to evaluate music. Midi is complex enough to make great music and thats all that maters. The problem with midi is that it has some problems that limitates it's audio quality.

Yeah, well obviously I would prefer if everyone chose less well-known composers for work more then anyone, and I'm sure the DF composer would have done a great job. However, this is not an excuse to make stupid, baseless statements (like calling an orchestral score new age music) and making meaningless insults like "nothing music, empty music".

It's just a mater of opinion and feeling. You either like a music or don't. I feel the same thing about this guy latest musics. And since i played Daggerfall i found his Morrowind and Oblivion soundtracks a bit dull. I also played Icewind Dale and the soundtrack he made for that game was very good. Maybe he is too filthy rich now to put some soul in his game music.

 

[TotS]

Hm.. all those samples were epic(tm). That itself ain't a bad thing, but if the soundtrack is too short it becomes mind-boggling repetitive, no matter how original it was in the first place.

I'm sure most of the time a single violin, mandolin, guitar, piano, drum or harpsichord would suffice or even fit in better. Add one or to other instruments, if you want to.
What's so difficult about a hybrid? Have your epic(tm) orchestra music for the right occasions ingame, but have a shitload of not so sophisticated background music as well to do the orchestral music justice.
Don't invaluate the epic(tm) music with inflationary use.

I always thought a good gaming soundtrack is somewhat like elevator music: unobtrusive and not getting on your nerves, while occupying your ears - not blasting you away, when a friggin rat attacks you.

I don't want to hear an 1812 Overture in a game when a Moonlight Sonata played by one fucking grand piano would be appropriate.

 

[JPK]

Hmm, yeah

Those samples were pretty generic and some of them were plain bad. When we add the fact that there seems to be quite few songs on the soundtrack itself, it doesn't look (or sound for that matter) good at all. Lots of epic repetition, thats for sure.

To cheer things up, I give you this link:

http://www.planescape-torment.org/?page=soundtrack

I bet you guys have heard these tunes before

 

[elander_]

If Jeremy Soule didn't make that soundtrack then it isn't epic.

 

[mckracken]

Anyone knows what Mark Morgan did the last few years?

His Fallout was so great!

 

[LlamaGod]

Jeremy Soule's music is just a grey puddle of every generic "epic" sounding music.

He did once to actually make good things, now he just slightly modifies the same damn theme over and over.

Anyone knows what Mark Morgan did the last few years?

He did the Age of Mythology music, I recall.

Also: The music in Arcanum was bad-ass.

 

[Data4]

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[Jasede]

To cheer things up, I give you this link:

http://www.planescape-torment.org/?page=soundtrack

I bet you guys have heard these tunes before

You charming nerd can not even comprehend how happy that link made me. About as happy as someone who has played Daggerfall for years using a Soundblaster card and then, after finally having bought a GM-capable soundcard, has heard the <i>real</i> shop tune and snow tune for the first time. I did that yesterday although I did not technically 'buy' a new soundcard, but rather utilized the magic that is Dosbox instead. I think I am getting a stroke.

But anyway, back to the matter at hand: I have heard many soundtracks in my life, and visited many concerts and operas and whatnot. And I tell you this: That music _is_ bland. Terribly so. It lacks soul, and no, I am not intending to do a bad pun.

Tintin:
I can hear your words, but I can not understand them. My stance is this: It is far more difficult to make great music with only a few instruments and severe technical limitations than with loads of cash and a full orchestra. That is why I shall always like Daggerfall's music more. It was rich and colourful, and there were many, many tracks. And till yesterday I only ever heard the bland FM tunes! Jeremy has a whole orchestra to do his bidding... but his energy has left him. Please, listen to the Total Annihilation soundtrack. It is epic, yes, but it is not composed solely of 'epicness'. What I have heard of Oblivion, though, is simply bland and repetitive.

 

[LlamaGod]

You charming nerd can not even comprehend how happy that link made me. About as happy as someone who has played Daggerfall for years using a Soundblaster card and then, after finally having bought a GM-capable soundcard, has heard the real shop tune and snow tune for the first time. I did that yesterday although I did not technically 'buy' a new soundcard, but rather utilized the magic that is Dosbox instead. I think I am getting a stroke.

Reminds me of when I first played System Shock 1. I configured it wrong and the sound was glitchy sounding beeps that vaguely seemed to be a song. I figured thats what the music was like and went with it.

Then I play it a second time and configure it correctly and hear the actual songs. It blew my face off.