Incline Chris Avellone Appreciation Station

[Plane Escapee]

To what extent does Jedi: Fallen Order feel like Chris worked on it? Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

 

[Quillon]

To what extent does Jedi: Fallen Order feel like Chris worked on it? Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

There is a late addition to the ship's crew I suspect he might have written that I mentioned earlier and he could have worked on the planet she was on. Just guessing.

 

[Rivmusique]

To what extent does Jedi: Fallen Order feel like Chris worked on it? Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

There was one bit late in the game where a character has a line that questions the point of the main quest, that's where I remembered that Avellone was involved. However, it was more a question you'd be asking yourself most of the game, wondering why no one's bringing it up, than an interesting new way to view things. In general the writing is not good, character's values bounce all over the place from scene to scene so they can say "cool thing" for that moment and the reason there are hoops for the protagonist to jump through is quite unintelligible.

 

[Roguey]

Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

No.

 

[S.torch]

Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

No.

I don't know why people assume that a game can have significant amount of his writing when he is not at least, senior writer.

 

[Frozen]

Isn't he riding the SJW train so whatever he does is shit anyway.

And he was always overrated as F.

Kotor 2 was like edgy emo teen themed game and at the end all it does sums up to nothing. Kreia was just messing with you and the Galaxy because old people are grumpy like that, the end.


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[Average Manatee]

48 year old Creep Avellone follows a 16 year old girl.

When I hang out with highly gullible 16 year old girls with learning disabilities in an area they don't know well I get weird looks. What's his secret?

 

[Beastro]

She would make a great sneaky hobbit goblin, following an evil wizard (Chris).

 

[hexer]

From where exactly in the Prequels did he get KOTOR2 themes?
I always got the impression KOTOR2 was an interesting game that didn't fit your standard SW space opera template

 

[Tweed]

Nah. That's Josh Sawyer's job now.

You should never drink alone though.

 

[vortex]

KOTOR III incoming...

 

[Roguey]

From where exactly in the Prequels did he get KOTOR2 themes?
I always got the impression KOTOR2 was an interesting game that didn't fit your standard SW space opera template

He was upset with the idea that the force has a will of its own.

Kreia was the personification of that frustration – the fact that some arbitrary force would feel the need to “correct’ the human species at times with mass slaughter in Episodes 1 through 3, and the hypocrisy of the Jedi that took place in IV and V. I’ve never really forgiven Ben Kenobi for his lies in Episodes IV and V, and Kreia definitely echoes that.

 

[fantadomat]

KOTOR III incoming...

Most likely a remake for mobile.

 

[Quillon]

From where exactly in the Prequels did he get KOTOR2 themes?
I always got the impression KOTOR2 was an interesting game that didn't fit your standard SW space opera template

He was upset with the idea that the force has a will of its own.

Kreia was the personification of that frustration – the fact that some arbitrary force would feel the need to “correct’ the human species at times with mass slaughter in Episodes 1 through 3, and the hypocrisy of the Jedi that took place in IV and V. I’ve never really forgiven Ben Kenobi for his lies in Episodes IV and V, and Kreia definitely echoes that.

What did Kenobi lie about?

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

What did Kenobi lie about?

How about: "a young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father."

 

[Butter]

What did Kenobi lie about?

How about: "a young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father."

But that was true, from a certain point of view.

 

[Quillon]

I've watched all the movies once and don't remember shit, didn't he do all those things?(last one metaphorically )

 

[Butter]

I've watched all the movies once and don't remember shit, didn't he do all those things?(last one metaphorically )

It was a retcon. Originally Vader and Anakin were going to be two separate characters.

 

[Quillon]

The retcon didn't make narrative sense? Otherwise what does it matter something got retconed back in 83

 

[Average Manatee]

What did Kenobi lie about?

How about: "a young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father."

But that was true, from a certain point of view.

Darth Vader was his name after he became a Sith though and he never really helped the empire hunt down the Jedi Knights, all he killed was the kids and Mace Windu (a Jedi Master).

 

[Butter]

What did Kenobi lie about?

How about: "a young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father."

But that was true, from a certain point of view.

Darth Vader was his name after he became a Sith though and he never really helped the empire hunt down the Jedi Knights, all he killed was the kids and Mace Windu (a Jedi Master).

I could be wrong, but I think in the EU Vader actually hunted down and killed other jedi who had escaped immediate termination.

 

[Average Manatee]

I could be wrong, but I think in the EU Vader actually hunted down and killed other jedi who had escaped immediate termination.

The EU was equally as canon under Lucas as it was under Disney, Lucas was just more diplomatic about it.

 

[Lockkaliber]

To what extent does Jedi: Fallen Order feel like Chris worked on it? Is it relatively free of the Sonic fan-fiction levels of writing that big budget American productions are flooded with at the moment?

I suspect he mostly just helped out with the structure of the narrative and some plot points. For example, some things from KotOR 2 are reused, such as a character cutting herself of from the force willingly (which was supposed to be a huge deal in K2) and backstory being told through a droids holomessages conveniently locked behind certain triggers (T3). There were more things but I can't be bothered to remember them. All in all the story is kind of bad though.

 

[Beastro]

The retcon didn't make narrative sense? Otherwise what does it matter something got retconed back in 83

Lucas originally wanted to do 3 trilogies: one for Luke, one for his sister, one for when they meet up with their father and take the fight to the Empire.

Early in Empire Strikes Back production he realized that wasn't going to happen and also to cut down on character bloat he feared was happening to Star Wars, so he combined Anakin and Vader resulting in the famous twist as well as later shoehorning Leia in as Luke's sister as she was the only person in the series that could fit the bill.

 

[Cross]

The retcon didn't make narrative sense? Otherwise what does it matter something got retconed back in 83

Lucas originally wanted to do 3 trilogies: one for Luke, one for his sister, one for when they meet up with their father and take the fight to the Empire.

Early in Empire Strikes Back production he realized that wasn't going to happen and also to cut down on character bloat he feared was happening to Star Wars, so he combined Anakin and Vader resulting in the famous twist as well as later shoehorning Leia in as Luke's sister as she was the only person in the series that could fit the bill.

Leia being retconned as Luke's sister was done solely to resolve the Han-Leia-Luke love triangle. I doubt Lucas had any serious plans for a Leia trilogy (or any long-term plan for Star Wars), considering the possible implications of her Force sensitiveness are treated as a complete afterthought in Return of the Jedi. She doesn't even react to the fact that her father died.