Chris Avellone: Obsidian made multiple proposals to develop spin-offs for Fallout and The Elder Scrolls which were turned down by Bethesda

[Infinitron]

Some website rediscovered an old tweet by Chris Avellone. He commented on it again:



I was told about this at the time. Obsidian really wanted to become Bethesda's designated "B-team" studio but they were rejected. We lost out on good games because of Bethesda's idiotic inferiority complex towards FO:NV.

 

[scytheavatar]

Some website rediscovered an old tweet by Chris Avellone:



I was told about this at the time. Obsidian really wanted to become Bethesda's designated "B-team" studio but they were rejected. We lost out on good games because of Bethesda's idiotic inferiority complex towards FO:NV.

Avowed's troubled development proved that Bethesda was right, Obsidian can't be trusted even to make a B grade Oblivion. They had to work with Obsidian and probably had first hand experience on what a shitshow that studio is behind the scenes.

 

[Bester]

Some website rediscovered an old tweet by Chris Avellone:



I was told about this at the time. Obsidian really wanted to become Bethesda's designated "B-team" studio but they were rejected. We lost out on good games because of Bethesda's idiotic inferiority complex towards FO:NV.

Avowed's troubled development proved that Bethesda was right, Obsidian can't be trusted even to make a B grade Oblivion. They had to work with Obsidian and probably had first hand experience on what a shitshow that studio is behind the scenes.

Neither Obsidian, nor Bethesda can be trusted to make RPGs, I wish they'd just fuck off already and do something RPG-unrelated. This would create a hole in the market that some other studio would try to fill. Couldn't be worse.

 

[Quillon]

Avowed's troubled development proved that Bethesda was right, Obsidian can't be trusted even to make a B grade Oblivion. They had to work with Obsidian and probably had first hand experience on what a shitshow that studio is behind the scenes.

you can't judge FNV era obs with today's wokesidian, if bethesda wasn't butthurt from FNV MCA's proposal woulda worked very well

 

[Infinitron]

Yes, this would have been in the early 2010s.

 

[Baron Dupek]

numerous attempts were made

 

[Roguey]

Avowed's troubled development proved that Bethesda was right, Obsidian can't be trusted even to make a B grade Oblivion. They had to work with Obsidian and probably had first hand experience on what a shitshow that studio is behind the scenes.

Making a game from scratch and making a game using someone else's tools and systems are two different things. With the experience and lessons learned from New Vegas, Bethbryo Game 2 likely would have been better (with regard to polish at least).

 

[Roguey]

numerous attempts were made

In 2017 he had parted ways with Obsidian for years. He was trying to be Bethesda's official lore guy, they told him his services were not wanted or needed.

 

[Viata]

He was trying to be Bethesda's official lore guy, they told him his services were not wanted or needed.

If only he had wasted his time on modding games.

 

[HoboForEternity]

I wonder if tyranny came first or the idea of what if TES villain won came first

 

[turkishronin]

numerous attempts were made

In 2017 he had parted ways with Obsidian for years. He was trying to be Bethesda's official lore guy, they told him his services were not wanted or needed.

Didn't he hate the lore? Basically two of New Vegas DLCs made by him is about how much he hated the current lore.

 

[Roguey]

I wonder if tyranny came first or the idea of what if TES villain won came first

One of Feargus's really old ideas that he wouldn't let go.

The game was originally called Fury, whose concept was created in 2006, and is set in "a world that had been laid waste by a magical apocalypse". The concept later became Defiance, whose concept is similar to that of Tyranny. Defiance, along with ideas of Obsidian's other projects later became Stormlands. As Stormlands was canceled, the company reconsidered the original idea of Defiance to make Tyranny

Didn't he hate the lore? Basically two of New Vegas DLCs made by him is about how much he hated the current lore.

He didn't like the post-post apocalypse status quo, which is why he wanted to be in charge of it.

 

[Elttharion]

 

[R@tmaster]

If only he had wasted his time on modding games.

DECLINE Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional​

 

[Dedicated_Dark]

Made the mistake of going to reddit to see if the general audience is dissapointed they didn't get Elder Scrolls made by Avellone. Big mistake. I want to whack these motherfucking morons!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElderScrol...thesda_denied_obsidian_to_make_tes_spin_offs/

Bunch of absolute dumb fucks circlejerking.. fucking wow!
Probably the type of wankers who thinks Skyrim and Fallout 3/4 has good writing.

 

[Efe]

The post assumes beth was butthurt about FNV but it could be something simpler like feargus fucking the deal up with unreasonable demands.
Considering the state their games are released, seems to me like Bethesda isn't the kind of company that would be prideful or jealous

 

[Roguey]

The post assumes beth was butthurt about FNV but it could be something simpler like feargus fucking the deal up with unreasonable demands.
Considering the state their games are released, seems to me like Bethesda isn't the kind of company that would be prideful or jealous

They are very prideful. They used to blacklist sites for giving them bad reviews (us for Oblivion, Star Trek Gamers for their bad review of Star Trek Legacy). They banned Obsidian developers from posting at this particular forum when they were working on New Vegas.

And as Chris as mentioned there was internal resistance to letting Obsidian even do New Vegas in the first place.

They did, but it wasn't 100% willingly, speaking as someone who was in the room listening while the "challenges" to sharing it were being discussed by the Bethesda heads.

Finally, the Schrier leaks.

 

[fantadomat]

It is amazing how people talk about obvious shit decades later as if it is some kind of divine revelation. You must be retarded to not know that it was all about todd being a butthurt cuck for NV being a far better game that they could create.

 

[Roguey]

It is amazing how people talk about obvious shit decades later as if it is some kind of divine revelation. You must be retarded to not know that it was all about todd being a butthurt cuck for NV being a far better game that they could create.

Chris claims Todd was always on their side. It's some of the people above and below him that are the problem.

Todd's a good guy and was always nice and respectful toward us. In fact, he would often say that we should check with him whenever anyone in his studio would say, "well, Todd said..." because chances are, he didn't.

 

[fantadomat]

It is amazing how people talk about obvious shit decades later as if it is some kind of divine revelation. You must be retarded to not know that it was all about todd being a butthurt cuck for NV being a far better game that they could create.

Chris claims Todd was always on their side. It's some of the people above and below him that are the problem.

Todd's a good guy and was always nice and respectful toward us. In fact, he would often say that we should check with him whenever anyone in his studio would say, "well, Todd said..." because chances are, he didn't.

Ahhh if anything,life had shown us that chris is very shitty judge of character. But sure,it could be that tod was the one good chap,but he is the lead of the people that create those games,clearly he is shit at that since they create only shit this days. Bathesda and obsidian drama was all about ego and butthurt,it is irrelevant which of the bathesda leads was the most butthurt.

 

[Viata]

If only he had wasted his time on modding games.

DECLINE Modders are extremely arrogant and delusional​

My point is that if he did that, Bethesda would have some use for him.

 

[R@tmaster]

My point is that if he did that, Bethesda would have some use for him.

I doubt he wanted a QA position.

 

[EtcEtcEtc]

It still blows my mind that Microsoft apparently bought Bethesda for Bethesda the studio and not just their properties.

Like, the fact that a Fallout TV show is going to launch and there isn't going to be a game to sync up with it because Bethesda won't have another Fallout for 10 years is insane. Or that Elder Scrolls won't have another game for years to come.

Microsoft bought Bethesda and got what, Starfield? They should be doing exactly what Avellone suggested be done, putting other studios on interquels for Fallout and Elder Scrolls ASAP.

 

[NecroLord]

It still blows my mind that Microsoft apparently bought Bethesda for Bethesda the studio and not just their properties.

Like, the fact that a Fallout TV show is going to launch and there isn't going to be a game to sync up with it because Bethesda won't have another Fallout for 10 years is insane. Or that Elder Scrolls won't have another game for years to come.

Microsoft bought Bethesda and got what, Starfield? They should be doing exactly what Avellone suggested be done, putting other studios on interquels for Fallout and Elder Scrolls ASAP.

Fallout fatigue...
Seriously, this franchise was gone (arguably) the moment Bethesda acquired it.

 

[EtcEtcEtc]

It still blows my mind that Microsoft apparently bought Bethesda for Bethesda the studio and not just their properties.

Like, the fact that a Fallout TV show is going to launch and there isn't going to be a game to sync up with it because Bethesda won't have another Fallout for 10 years is insane. Or that Elder Scrolls won't have another game for years to come.

Microsoft bought Bethesda and got what, Starfield? They should be doing exactly what Avellone suggested be done, putting other studios on interquels for Fallout and Elder Scrolls ASAP.

Fallout fatigue...
Seriously, this franchise was gone (arguably) the moment Bethesda acquired it.

I'm not talking about the quality of the games, just money. They're sitting on money so that Bethesda can take 10 years to churn out a shitty game - when they could be letting other studios take a crack at it.