Civilization VII

[Lacrymas]

This is just like that one Oblivion dialogue. Civ has fallen to Oblivion's level.

 

[flyingjohn]

This is just like that one Oblivion dialogue. Civ has fallen to Oblivion's level.

Oblivion was unintentionally funny, this is just sad.

 

[Taxnomore]

It's weird but the Linux version doesn't have Denuvo and uh....

 

[flyingjohn]

One thing nobody is talking about is the music. I loved the civ 4 soundtrack and even civ 6 was pretty good in that regard.
I hope they didn't make some generic ost because of the civ switching?

 

[Jenkem]

they made the game have 3 distinct eras because they know their player base likes to transition

 

[Lacrymas]

This isn't doing too well, huh.

 

[Elttharion]

Please stop posting the steam reviews, you still havent played the game to judge it. It might be a masterpiece, we have no way to know yet

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Every launch since 4 at the very least has been horrible but time has allowed devs to "fix" things, and the community to mod the games to a level where they feel it's good enough to play. In a way the true Cyberpunk/NMS type stories come from Civ. 6 was a shitshow for a long time.

 

[Trans-Financial-Man]

I just want to remind you all, that you are reviewing a game you haven't played.

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Maybe I'm just old and senile but I struggle to remember people hating Civ IV the way they hated V and VI. I still think it's the best Civ game in terms of flavour and fun. It's no Alpha Centauri but Ghandi felt different personality and gameplay wise from Bismark, who felt different from Montezuma, and so on. Civ V onwards made everything way too bland.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I just want to remind you all, that you are reviewing a game you haven't played.

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Maybe I'm just old and senile but I struggle to remember people hating Civ IV the way they hated V and VI. I still think it's the best Civ game in terms of flavour and fun. It's no Alpha Centauri but Ghandi felt different personality and gameplay wise from Bismark, who felt different from Montezuma, and so on. Civ V onwards made everything way too bland.

You are not wrong, Civ 4 was hated for the longest time until people started pretending it was cool to like it because it was old.

 

[whydoibother]

I just want to remind you all, that you are reviewing a game you haven't played.

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Maybe I'm just old and senile but I struggle to remember people hating Civ IV the way they hated V and VI. I still think it's the best Civ game in terms of flavour and fun. It's no Alpha Centauri but Ghandi felt different personality and gameplay wise from Bismark, who felt different from Montezuma, and so on. Civ V onwards made everything way too bland.

Civ4 was hated for not being Civ3, and for barely working at all on launch. You aren't too old for it, you are too young for it, I'm guessing.

 

[Trans-Financial-Man]

I just want to remind you all, that you are reviewing a game you haven't played.

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Maybe I'm just old and senile but I struggle to remember people hating Civ IV the way they hated V and VI. I still think it's the best Civ game in terms of flavour and fun. It's no Alpha Centauri but Ghandi felt different personality and gameplay wise from Bismark, who felt different from Montezuma, and so on. Civ V onwards made everything way too bland.

Civ4 was hated for not being Civ3, and for barely working at all on launch. You aren't too old for it, you are too young for it, I'm guessing.

I'm closer to 70 than 60. I remember quite clearly that Civ 4 was considered a step forward with a few disappointments. I don't remember anyone saying it was rubbish the same way people did it for Civ 5. Which was always rubbish even with expansions because they made it for joyless cretins who want to min max and hate fun.

 

[whydoibother]

If you are 100 years old, you should ask your son to Google with the date range enabled, and read forums.
Here's a 2005 version of this exact thread:

This last guy is even saying Civ3 is when the series got bad, and Civ2 is peak. He hasn't updated his firmware yet.

 

[Fedora Master]

Every launch since 4 at the very least has been horrible but time has allowed devs to "fix" things, and the community to mod the games to a level where they feel it's good enough to play. In a way the true Cyberpunk/NMS type stories come from Civ. 6 was a shitshow for a long time.

Can't fix fundamental shit like the age transition.

 

[Lacrymas]

Age transition is supposed to soft reset the game. Whether that is successful, however, remains to be seen.

 

[Hellraiser]

Maybe I'm just old and senile but I struggle to remember people hating Civ IV the way they hated V and VI.

I do remember it, it caught flak for not having separate offense and defense stats on units and running fairly terribly at release (it used Gamebryo, go figure). It was the first Civ game to be considerably improved by the expansions, particularly by BTS (I barely remember what Civ III's ones added, besides the Internet as a wonder), ultimately resulting in a game that has just one problem (which firaxis could have easily fixed by making collaterall damage a level 1/2 upgrade on all units, but no, only on siege units, bleh) - doomstacks, made even worse by the obviously cheating AI spawning shit them of thin air.

Still I think it wasn't as bad as with CiV and VI. 1upt is a much more controversial change IMO which works against both V and VI, and VI in particular deserves a great big middle finger for not trying to bring back stacking (CiV can at least be forgiven doing that as an experiment). VI also had the garrish color palette. Add those on top of changes people might not have liked (plenty to choose from in both games) and it's no wonder there's still loud complaining about either game in comparison to IV and earlier.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Of the original four games, 3 was the red-headed stepchild that got a lukewarm initial reception. It's the only game in the series I remember getting panned p badly in some of the mainstream reviews. In hindsight, 3 has its hardcore fans while there's a p strong consensus of 4 turning into a classic only with the expansions, but hindsight vs initial reception are two rather different things. Still, at least most people agree that 2 was always a classic, so it's a bit of a better scenario than, for example, Fallout, which was only good when old black isle dudes didn't yet know they were gay, thought about using gurps and talked everyday how including cultural references and 4th wall breaking is super low iq.

 

[whydoibother]

Every launch since 4 at the very least has been horrible but time has allowed devs to "fix" things, and the community to mod the games to a level where they feel it's good enough to play. In a way the true Cyberpunk/NMS type stories come from Civ. 6 was a shitshow for a long time.

Can't fix fundamental shit like the age transition.

If the age transition turns out to be very bad and a moment where I decide to quit games, I doubt mods or patches will save it. Its the spine of this new design.

 

[Elttharion]

 

[Fedora Master]

All the soyest of platforms: VR, Steamdeck and Linux

 

[Hellraiser]

Of the original four games, 3 was the red-headed stepchild that got a lukewarm initial reception.

While I can't speak of reviews I do remember my own "in a vacuum" experience being more or less that when it released. Oh sure, it added culture and borders (the latter debuted in SMAC though), unique units, a separate worker unit (again debuted in SMAC), strategic resources needed for units etc. which became core features going forward in the series, but the whole thing just didn't work for me and it was even worse if you played SMAC earlier and started comparing it to Civ III. Simultanously you had changes of iconic stuff from Civ II (where are my FMV advisors? Where's the elaborate Alpha Centauri starship building mechanic?) and lack of features Firaxis previous had in SMAC (unit designer, social engineering table/more complex customizable government type mechanics).

This impression didn't change when I gave it a shot a few years back, I'll just say that while I also played II again around the same time, also for the first time in even more years, and considered the game (Civ II) dated, I could finish 2 or 3 games in Civ II without issue, despite going "yeah, certainly didn't age well". While Civ III I just couldn't even once, for some reason. It's just missing something, although I do like the modern era music a lot, that's probably the best part of that game that does trigger the nostalgia memberberries:







The biggest decline of Civ IV was that when they added the music from previous civ games, in I think it was BTS, they didn't include those two tracks.

 

[civac2]

The hardcore Civ3 fans I know seem to play it as a wargame. Not sure how much depth the buildery stuff has in Civ3.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I have to admit 3 was my first Civ so i will never be able to hate it.

 

[Gerrard]

If you are 100 years old, you should ask your son to Google with the date range enabled, and read forums.
Here's a 2005 version of this exact thread:

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This last guy is even saying Civ3 is when the series got bad, and Civ2 is peak. He hasn't updated his firmware yet.

In what possible way was Civ 3 a "step back" from 2?
>less personality, less fun, less "one more turn"
>no arguments, only buzzwords
Fucking grognards.

 

[Raghar]

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper
5 activations within 24 hours machine activation limit

That's like literally retarded.

I'd install newest patch for UBOAT which added sinking physic, and start either Type II, or Type VII start. Not sure which. I should try it with type VII start playing first time, but you can't go to type IX, then XXI... And UBOAT doesn't have dynamic battlefield. (Frankly I'm only programmer that can write source code for that nowadays? Or is there someone else. Like it looks like cellphone culture lost vital skills.)

CiV IV without Denuvo is probably still better than letting Denuvo crap on your system when you can play CiV IV with expansion without activation or other shit. (There is gog installer for CiV IV. So who cares about Steam.) Then again I played too much CIV IV, so Uboat or something weird it is, at least until they remove Denuvo and patch CiV VII enough to have smooth and interesting experience.