Community Codex GOTY 2015 - Results

[Eyestabber]

I gave AoD a 5 and Underrail a 4 with TW3 getting a 3 or 4 IIRC. I also bombed PoE and Tumblrtale.

I'm ok with the results .

I'm glad to see ACTUAL GAMES on top. Will look Voidspire up, since the ppl who actually played it rated quite generously.

 

[Hobo Elf]

Spread of shame, i.e. those who rated Age of Decadence 1:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QFjcVZAK--m8NawGUumFpEVFEXg8ZBnSuhYd58FNXlI/edit?usp=sharing

Users in yellow deserve some special tag, UR fanboys were obvious but FeelTheRads I can forgive since Vault Dweller hurt his feelings and he can't stand him ever since.

I've also included users who rated AoD 2 but was too lazy to see whether any F4/Undertale fanboys were in there.

Absurd
FeelTheRads (UR fanboy and VD hurt his feelings)
Grampy_Bone
Hobo Elf
John_Blazze (Witcher and UR fanboy)
Kiste
LizardWizard (PoE/UR fanboy)
MasterSmithFandango (UR fanboy)
mbpopolano24
Ormagöden
Pirata Alma Negra
Radimus (UR fanboy)
Renegen (UR fanboy)
Ruzen
The Game Analists
Ulminati
ZodoZ

Ulminati being a faggot is common knowledge for any codexer. In the little time he was a way Codex markedly improved.
I'm convinced that FeelTheRads is insane irl.
Hobo Elf joining the anti-AoD bandwagon is sad and a display of his weak mind.
Ormagöden should be ashamed of himself to join this group of losers.
MasterSmithFandango is THE Underrail fanboy who wouldn't shut up about the game in shoutbox for weeks on end, one of the reason I still haven't played the game. The hype about it is absurd. Considering he's a very passionate guy, I'll give him a pass.
The Game Analists is very autistic and a true nerd, but other than that he's a bro.

The rest are a bunch of nobodies, losers. All should be ashamed of themselves.

On a positive note, I'm surprise no Underatale fan voted 1 for AoD. Not even the girls? Well, congrats to you for that. My faith in humanity improved.

I just don't like CYOAs that masquerade as a computer role playing game.

 

[Rahdulan]

I'm honestly more surprised by how Conquest of Elysium 4 ended up in Top 10 Overall and second in Tacticool. Well played.

 

[Irenaeus III]

I just don't like CYOAs that masquerade as a computer role playing game.

´
Whatever. You have a weak mind and I completely lost my faith on you.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I'm convinced that FeelTheRads is insane irl.

Would liking the same shit games you do make me sane?

I WANT TO GET BETTER!

 

[Bubbles]

Stingray said:

I think that "top 10" is a bit misleading because for most of those games, hardly anyone on the site actually played them. Their style of voting was a bit out of the ordinary - instead of voting for the best game, what they did is have everyone rate every game that they played from 2015. The list is derived from the Bayesian average ratings of each game.

If you limit the list to games that were played by a reasonable number of voters, then their full GotY rankings would be:

1. Underrail (played by 58%) - rating 4.20
2. AoD (played by 63%) - rating 4.18
3. Witcher 3 (played by 51%) - rating 4.00
4. Serpent in the Staglands (played by 35%) - rating 3.56
5. Shadowrun: Hong Kong (played by 44%) - rating 3.52
6. Pillars of Eternity (played by 76%) - rating 3.30
7. Sunless Sea (played by 17%) - rating 2.91
8. Undertale (played by 29%) - rating 2.60
9. Fallout 4 (played by 44%) - rating 1.86
10. Sword Coast Legends (played by 11%) - rating 1.71

Every other game was only played by 8% or less of the voters. (The full spreadsheet is available at their site, my list is taken from the GotY tab of it.) #7 and #10 weren't played by many, so maybe they should be dropped too. Now the list begins to look pretty reasonable.

If they had actually voted like we do here, I'm assuming AoD would have won their GotY, due to its somewhat higher % of players than Underrail (and Witcher 3), and similar rating.

This is ok I suppose, but it doesn't actually fix everything, since "top 10" usually implies that everyone enjoyed the games overall and picked the 10 best ones.
On this list however, everything below PoE has ratings suggesting that a majority thought the games were at best mediocre or outright bad.

Actually, everything below Hong Kong on that list is "below average". The average used in felipe's calculations is around 3.48 (you can see that from the game that got a single "3" vote and was adjusted to a 3.45 BA), so PoE is worse than the average game released in 2015.

 

[Irenaeus III]

I'm convinced that FeelTheRads is insane irl.

Would liking the same shit games you do make me sane?

I WANT TO GET BETTER!

I think you are very amusing, for what is worth. Keep doing what you do.

 

[Bubbles]

Looking closer, only the top 12 games of the year have a rating above average. The remaining 96 games are below average.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

I'm not sure I comprehend, but there seem to be games who one person voted for, and this person gave it a 1/5. And still this game get's a "Bayesian average" of 3,3 and is rated above PoE?!

Could anybody please enlighten me on this?

 

[Bubbles]

In the RPG-only column it's even harsher: only the top five RPGs are above average, 6th place Shadowrun: Hong Kong is very close to the average (only game with no adjustment by the BA), and everything below that got a worse than average rating.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I completely lost my faith on you.

I'm convinced that FeelTheRads is insane irl.

Would liking the same shit games you do make me sane?

I WANT TO GET BETTER!

I think you are very amusing, for what is worth. Keep doing what you do.

It's worth pretty much nothing, really. But I see you really think people give a shit about your opinion on them. It's a very telling sign of madness.

 

[Bubbles]

I'm not sure I comprehend, but there seem to be games who one person voted for, and this person gave it a 1/5. And still this game get's a "Bayesian average" of 3,3 and is rated above PoE?!

Could anybody please enlighten me on this?

The Bayesian average assumes that the average RPG of 2015 has a rating of around 3.46 to 3.52 (depending on whether it's in the total results table or the GOTY table). A game that has few votes wlll be radically adjusted towards that number, and the actual vote will hardly matter.

People campaigned to make that adjustment as strong as possible to prevent high rated games that nobody played from getting into the top ten. There were actually no games of that type last year; instead, we got a lot of games with terrible ratings that got pushed up into the range between 9th and 20th place.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

Wow, that's retarded.

 

[Bester]

Games with 5 or less votes should be just purged from the rating entirely.

 

[PlanHex]

Actually, everything below Hong Kong on that list is "below average". The average used in felipe's calculations is around 3.48 (you can see that from the game that got a single "3" vote and was adjusted to a 3.45 BA), so PoE is worse than the average game released in 2015.

Sure, for the Bayesian average, but the actual average is above 3 and unlike the ones below it on that list, it has a higher number of 'good' ratings than 'bad' ratings by a pretty significant 45% to 22%.

 

[janjetina]

Wow, that's retarded.

It's not, given that the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games.

 

[Bubbles]

Wow, that's retarded.

It's not, given that the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games.

Indeed. The poll has determined that there were only 5 above-average RPGs last year, so nothing below 5th place should be recommended anyway.

Underrail, Age of Decadence, Witcher 3, Voidspire Tactics and SitS were the only RPGs with a better than average grade.

Hong Kong is right on the average, so it would be the equivalent of a 5/10 game in a gaming magazine. PoE is well below that, at about a 4/10.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

Wow, that's retarded.

It's not, given that the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games.

That's a nice goal, but when you get games which ONE person has played who voted it the SHITTIEST vote possbile ABOVE FUCKING AVERAGE that is the very definition of retarded.

 

[Hobo Elf]

I just don't like CYOAs that masquerade as a computer role playing game.

´
Whatever. You have a weak mind and I completely lost my faith on you.

Y-you too.

 

[Ulminati]

Spread of shame, i.e. those who rated Age of Decadence 1:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QFjcVZAK--m8NawGUumFpEVFEXg8ZBnSuhYd58FNXlI/edit?usp=sharing

Users in yellow deserve some special tag, UR fanboys were obvious but FeelTheRads I can forgive since Vault Dweller hurt his feelings and he can't stand him ever since.

I've also included users who rated AoD 2 but was too lazy to see whether any F4/Undertale fanboys were in there.

Absurd
FeelTheRads (UR fanboy and VD hurt his feelings)
Grampy_Bone
Hobo Elf
John_Blazze (Witcher and UR fanboy)
Kiste
LizardWizard (PoE/UR fanboy)
MasterSmithFandango (UR fanboy)
mbpopolano24
Ormagöden
Pirata Alma Negra
Radimus (UR fanboy)
Renegen (UR fanboy)
Ruzen
The Game Analists
Ulminati
ZodoZ

I'd have rated AoD 0 if I could

 

[Gregz]

Wow, that's retarded.

It's not, given that the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games.

That's a nice goal, but when you get games which ONE person has played who voted it the SHITTIEST vote possbile ABOVE FUCKING AVERAGE that is the very definition of retarded.

No. The raw data is available, and the analytics are transparent. As was said above "...the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games."

Anyone can take that same data and apply a different method (i.e. Codex Top 72 method), although the results in the top 5 wouldn't change much. And yeah, on average only 4-6 games a year are worth your time/money so it's useful info.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

Wow, that's retarded.

It's not, given that the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games.

That's a nice goal, but when you get games which ONE person has played who voted it the SHITTIEST vote possbile ABOVE FUCKING AVERAGE that is the very definition of retarded.

No. The raw data is available, and the analytics are transparent. As was said above "...the aim is to choose the best games, not to rank all the games."

Anyone can take that same data and apply a different method (i.e. Codex Top 72 method), although the results in the top 5 wouldn't change much. And yeah, on average only 4-6 games a year are worth your time/money so it's useful info.

Yeah whatever.
I'm gonna buy Fairytales: Three Heroes now, seems to be a decent gaem.

 

[CryptRat]

DS2:SOTF is voted as shit, obviously because people here don't like controllers and action games (which is their loss). But then they vote Twitcher as goty? Potato propaganda, nothing more. As far as action games go, it sucked huge ass. As far as RPGs, meh. People just vote for game from their country and it skewed the results heavily. It's like fucking Eurovision over here.

People who don't like The Witcher series stopped before the third episode, and don't vote.

I'm feeling a minor butthurt because a Witcher game (I haven't played the 3rd one) is beyond both SiTS and Voidspire Tactics.
I Looked at likaq's votes, now I understand :

Age Of Decadence 5
AntharioN 1
BloodLust Shadowhunter 3
Dead State : Reanimated 3
D:OS EE 1
Fallout 4 2
PoE 2
Serpent in the Staglands 1
Shadowrun : Hong Kong 2
Telepath Tactics 1
The Witcher 3 5
Underrail 1
Undertale 1
Voidspire Tactics 1
Wasteland 2 : Director's Cut 5
Wave of Darkness 3

Why do you play so many games that you hate that much?

 

[Bubbles]

I wonder what likaq hated so much about Voidspire. It seems like a hard-to-hate game.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Vox populi, vox dei. The results are just. I expected them to be less just than that, and I am pleasantly surprised.

BTW, now that we also have the usernames, post number and reg date, we can check how various demographics voted.

For example, this is the overall Top 10 old fag result, accounting only voters from 2009 & earlier (194 in total):

Spoiler

1. Age of Decadence 4,03
2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 3,98
3. Underrail 3,98
4. Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Editon 3,75
5. Invisible, Inc. 3,75
6. Conquest of Elysium 4 3,67
7. Chaos Reborn 3,66
8. Shadowrun: Hong Kong 3,60
9. Serpent in the Staglands 3,59
10. Wasteland 2: Director's Cut 3,57

Here's the same data, but with only post-2009 new fags (548 in total):

Spoiler

1. Underrail 4,18
2. Age of Decadence 4,15
3. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 3,93
4. Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Editon 3,81
5. Invisible, Inc. 3,73
6. Voidspire Tactics 3,64
7. Conquest of Elysium 4 3,62
8. Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim 3,55
9. Serpent in the Staglands 3,53
10. Swords and Sorcery - Underworld - Definitive Edition 3,50

Now you know why Underrail won.

I want it to be known that I am really an oldfag, I just registered with 12 years' delay. As a kid I was on Arcanum's IRC channel. This ought to give me more oldfag cred than what people with complexes who like to quote join dates pretend to have. (I don't mean felipepepe of course, I've just seen hilarious instances of someone who joined in 2008 calling someone from the 2010s "newfag")