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Interview Codex Interview with MCA
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Vault Dweller
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First, check when I joined the forums. Second, I joined the discussion to discuss the interview.Volourn said:
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Ok. You didn't join just now; but coincidentally your first posts EVER (not counting any OT posts since they aren't counted) were in that thread. As for 'discussing the interview'; yeah right. You are there to defend the Codex's 'honour', and onlt that.
Afterall, you've had nothing but unflattering things to say about the Obsidian forum posters before so I seriously doubt you give any weight to their opinions on your interview.
Just admit that you basically pulled a Bethesda fanboy move.
Afterall, you've had nothing but unflattering things to say about the Obsidian forum posters before so I seriously doubt you give any weight to their opinions on your interview.
Just admit that you basically pulled a Bethesda fanboy move.
Vault Dweller
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You know better, Volly.Volourn said:
Really? So when Dave Gaider posted here after the interview with him, it was to defend Bioware honor and to pull a Bethesda fanboy move? Do tell.
bryce777
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I love the rhomal guy, with his terrible grammar and spelling, talking about our collectively limited vocabulary.
Greatatlantic
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I think the problem with NR (and SF) is not whether or not a post apocalyptic society could support such a location. Its a game, developers can take liberties with reality and common sense, to a limit. However, the theme in almost every other town was substinence survival and restructing. That is communities trying to produce enough to survive, and a little more to make life better. For some towns this was mining materials to trade, in other towns it was food growth. Even the Zombie town was figuring out how to maximize its energy production to trade for medical supplies.
New Reno was just a complete reverse of that. Instead of trying to find ways to have enough, they were trying to find ways to spend what they had. The city's themes were urban excess and decay, while the rest of the locations was village level communities and growth.
That, and the the city was a little gimmicky. I think this is supposed to be a fictionalized "Gangster Chicago" where competing crime lords all tried to monopolize from the economic excesses of the '20s. The families all fell into familiar stereotypes, the godfather, the hispanic mafia, and the "Jack Ambramhoff". The only family that really seemed to fit into the world (and this is in my opinion) were the Wrights. I guess radiation allowed for greater fertility and of course there is going to be booze made and sold. The lengths and measures mankind has gone through to make alcohol is simply staggering.
I think there are ways in which New Reno could have been done in a way more palpatable for the setting. Four families is fine, but reduce them in size. Make sure that New Reno has its own production besides Drugs and dirty movies. New Reno could have bene built on a giant water reserve, hence making it a hub for traders.
As it is, I definitely think New Reno was put together because it seemed cool, though I cannot deny the Roleplaying opportunity the city afforded.
New Reno was just a complete reverse of that. Instead of trying to find ways to have enough, they were trying to find ways to spend what they had. The city's themes were urban excess and decay, while the rest of the locations was village level communities and growth.
That, and the the city was a little gimmicky. I think this is supposed to be a fictionalized "Gangster Chicago" where competing crime lords all tried to monopolize from the economic excesses of the '20s. The families all fell into familiar stereotypes, the godfather, the hispanic mafia, and the "Jack Ambramhoff". The only family that really seemed to fit into the world (and this is in my opinion) were the Wrights. I guess radiation allowed for greater fertility and of course there is going to be booze made and sold. The lengths and measures mankind has gone through to make alcohol is simply staggering.
I think there are ways in which New Reno could have been done in a way more palpatable for the setting. Four families is fine, but reduce them in size. Make sure that New Reno has its own production besides Drugs and dirty movies. New Reno could have bene built on a giant water reserve, hence making it a hub for traders.
As it is, I definitely think New Reno was put together because it seemed cool, though I cannot deny the Roleplaying opportunity the city afforded.
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"Really? So when Dave Gaider posted here after the interview with him, it was to defend Bioware honor and to pull a Bethesda fanboy move? Do tell."
The difference is that Gaider has been posting on the Codex for a long while now, and he doesn't just come here to defend' BIO's honour'; but to exchnage opinions.
You simply started posting on Obsidian today because people there were bashing you the same way Bethesda fanboys come here, and either register or start posting to defend Bethesda just because of that.
On top of that, Gaider's interview is a piss poor example. He was simply a professioanl game devloper who was asked by a gaming site (you and the Codex) for an oppurtunity to interview him, and he said yes. Completely different situation that a random poster rushing off to a site they admit they loathe just to jump to the defense of a site they love.
Duh.
The difference is that Gaider has been posting on the Codex for a long while now, and he doesn't just come here to defend' BIO's honour'; but to exchnage opinions.
You simply started posting on Obsidian today because people there were bashing you the same way Bethesda fanboys come here, and either register or start posting to defend Bethesda just because of that.
On top of that, Gaider's interview is a piss poor example. He was simply a professioanl game devloper who was asked by a gaming site (you and the Codex) for an oppurtunity to interview him, and he said yes. Completely different situation that a random poster rushing off to a site they admit they loathe just to jump to the defense of a site they love.
Duh.
Jed
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I don't understand why the Obsidiots have such a problem with calling Torment a great game. Is it because MCA doesn't think so and they can't possibly disagree with him? Or is it because they are such contrarians against the 'Codex that they can't agree with VD? Hell, even Gamespot, a fairly well-respected and I would argue fairly conservative gaming site, lists PS:T as one of their Greatest Games of All Time.
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What about his first time though?Volourn said:
No.
I thought that we've already established that I registered back in January. I visited the site today because Ferret sent me a PM. I saw the discussion and joined it. Last, I've never stated that I loathe Obsidian forums.
Actually a lot of the Obsidiots find PS:T to be their favorite game of all time, let alone just top 10. But there are people over there just like Volourn over here, who feel the game is overrated. It’s a BIS/Interplay spin-off site just like this one was when it was created. They've played the same games, mostly (FO, PS:T). They are just a little tamer in attitude. lolJed said:
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Jed said:
Not everyone at the Obsidian forums is an idiot. Many of them are capable of elaborating a real argument besides the usual ass licking and retarded follower arguments that the usual moron who registers Obsidian does. Take in consideration that many of these guys don't have an idea of what a classic crpg is and are brainwashed by game publicity that constantly pictures role-playing in a futile and retarded way. So it's natural they can't understand the criticism and they can't understand the quality of games they never really gave it a good try. And if they realy tried then they just don't enjoy role-playing. This is sad but most people who see the word rpg stamped on a game these days don't know and don't care what an rpg really is. What they are truly seeking is more customization options and a good story. This said i agree that PST is one of a kind but it's far from offering the rp quality of the king: Fallout.
Just to prove my point, compare this retarded idea of modern role-playing:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6447/formula0xn.jpg
With this:
http://www.svatopluk.com/xroads/linguist.html
People who role-played this class never touched the main-quest or had to.
Thats the difference right here. A good rpg is much more than just a story while a modern rpg is just a crapy main quest and some hack-and-slash gameplay that gives the idea it was made by a little kid who is making games for the first time.
Jed
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Sorry, I couldn't resist the "Obisidiots" bit. Opportunistic and unfair, I know, but the only experience I've had on their forum was reading this thread which was all about assigning a monolithic character to "codexers" [sic].
It's really silly to read all the comments about "codexers" putting ourselves on pedestals and all that bullshit. Really? Having a strong opinion about something makes you elitist? Seriously, when you're spending any amount of your time posting about computer role-playing games on the internet, you are a geek by any definition of the word, and there's no hierarchy to it that matters in the real world.
When that's the millieu you've chosen, your only hope for any kind of honor is to at least be critical and have your own opinions. I'd rather be "rabid" about one great game than a tool for a thousand mediocre one ones.
Also, I would never argue that PS:T is an RPG masterpiece, but it is surely the best ADVENTURE GAME WITH ELEMENTS RPG out of that bastard genre, and I would definitely include it on any Top 100 PC games list.
It's really silly to read all the comments about "codexers" putting ourselves on pedestals and all that bullshit. Really? Having a strong opinion about something makes you elitist? Seriously, when you're spending any amount of your time posting about computer role-playing games on the internet, you are a geek by any definition of the word, and there's no hierarchy to it that matters in the real world.
When that's the millieu you've chosen, your only hope for any kind of honor is to at least be critical and have your own opinions. I'd rather be "rabid" about one great game than a tool for a thousand mediocre one ones.
Also, I would never argue that PS:T is an RPG masterpiece, but it is surely the best ADVENTURE GAME WITH ELEMENTS RPG out of that bastard genre, and I would definitely include it on any Top 100 PC games list.
spacemoose
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So we've got Obsidiots which I like, and Bethesda fanboys which is too long, maybe shorten it to Betheads. I also propose introducing Consoloids into common usage.
bryce777
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Intruder alert! Intruder alert! Destroy the consoloids!
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"What about his first time though?"
I don't think Gaider's purpose was ever to come here and sloberrly defend BIO; but more like share his opinions. He's also a (semi) regular poster who doens't just post about himself. You are *only* posting on Obsidian because there's a thread about YOU. Talk about an ego.
'I thought that we've already established that I registered back in January."
It's not just about registering. Your first (and only) posts with your account are today - all of whioch ar ein that thread. That says a lot. It proves youa re only posting there for one reason.
" I visited the site today because Ferret sent me a PM. I saw the discussion and joined it."
Good for you. And?
" Last, I've never stated that I loathe Obsidian forums."
Hahaha! This is a joke. People here seem to forget this isn't the first 'Obsidian vs. Codex' war. There was one a year or so ago. You were pretty clear on your feelings then, IIRC.
"They are just a little tamer in attitude"
This isn't true. They're just arrogant, full of themslves, and elitist as the Codex is. the only difference as an Official Company Forum; the rules (and mods) are much stricter. The attutude whether they believe or not is the same.
I don't think Gaider's purpose was ever to come here and sloberrly defend BIO; but more like share his opinions. He's also a (semi) regular poster who doens't just post about himself. You are *only* posting on Obsidian because there's a thread about YOU. Talk about an ego.
'I thought that we've already established that I registered back in January."
It's not just about registering. Your first (and only) posts with your account are today - all of whioch ar ein that thread. That says a lot. It proves youa re only posting there for one reason.
" I visited the site today because Ferret sent me a PM. I saw the discussion and joined it."
Good for you. And?
" Last, I've never stated that I loathe Obsidian forums."
Hahaha! This is a joke. People here seem to forget this isn't the first 'Obsidian vs. Codex' war. There was one a year or so ago. You were pretty clear on your feelings then, IIRC.
"They are just a little tamer in attitude"
This isn't true. They're just arrogant, full of themslves, and elitist as the Codex is. the only difference as an Official Company Forum; the rules (and mods) are much stricter. The attutude whether they believe or not is the same.
True, I’ll agree. Every site, Gothic’s, Oblivion’s or whatever are full of people who are elitist because they think their game is the best, and every other game sucks in comparison. But I still think they are still tamer in attitude.Volourn said:
btw, consoles suck!
I'll drag out an ancient argument against New Reno from the depths of V13.
It's inconsistent with Fallout 1. Blatantly. In many places. Both lieterally very obvious and subtle and obscure. There is an enormous list of cases in point, but I'll pick a few from memory starting with the peeve.
Fallout 1 :
No working cars
Fallout 2
80 years later)
Car fleet, a garage in New Reno. In fact, it's a 'pimp-my-ride' garage in New Reno. To hell with getting a car to even run (we're not talking about a relatively simple combustion engine. There is no petroleum so the cars are powered by fusion.), let's pimp it.
Fallout 1 :
No post-1960 guns, except for the Desert Eagle. (Let's call that a slip-up) The guns are fictional and generic and not based on real world guns. I loved that, creating a world with a nice fictional weapons industry.
Fallout 2 :
Full of real world guns. I don't care it's a Fabrique Nationale P90. Belgian firearms shouldn't be prevalent in a setting were Europe is just a "bunch of bickering city states". (fallout intro) Generic weapons don't have that problem. Which brings us to New Reno and the Tommy Guns. A Tommy Gun would actually fit Fallout very well, if it was a unique museum piece. Having a bunch of them with ammo to boot is complete nonsense. I can't see anyone argueing against this. "But Thompsons are cool!" is not an argument.
Fallout 1 :
No sign of city-level population density living in relative prosperity. The Hub is the most lively town, the Boneyard is full of pre-war tech hoarders and the Brotherhood of Steel is reclusive and functions pretty much like post-Roman-Empie catholic monks keeping knowledge intact after a collapse of society.
Fallout 2 (80 years later) :
In 80 years, Shady Sands has become a thriving republic with a fleet of cars and cozy homes even though the means are limited. While this is not beyond my ability to suspend disbelief (it's pushing it), the fact that there is a city close by dealing in drugs, prostitution, porn and gambling is. No one is going to synthesize a drug when there are natural products like opium, mescaline and alcohol available when they have no working laboratories. New Reno is economically isolated, but is explained away by parasiting off nearby communities. The only one we see is Redding, which is a ridiculous place all on its own. The existence of New Reno is never justified, there is no background, it just is. Even if it does fit the setting, I'd like that to be explained to me through the game world. There must be a hell of a story to that city if it is the way it is But there isn't. There is no story to New Reno. Just a lot of gimmicks and stuff to do.
The final argument is something hard to comprehend for most people and hard to explain so I won't explain it. I will make it. It doesn't fit the 50's theme. And it is there in Fallout. Brain bots, nuclear families, giant mutations (50's sci-fi), art deco and stream, the car designs, the dawn of communist fears, the die-cast metal design of the power armor, the macrotechnolgy versus microtechnology, the atomic race instead of the space race..etc etc.
If anyone is capable of giving me a synospis for a backstory that makes sense out of New Reno using these elements and reasoning from Fallout (1), I'd love to see it.
It's inconsistent with Fallout 1. Blatantly. In many places. Both lieterally very obvious and subtle and obscure. There is an enormous list of cases in point, but I'll pick a few from memory starting with the peeve.
Fallout 1 :
No working cars
Fallout 2
80 years later)Car fleet, a garage in New Reno. In fact, it's a 'pimp-my-ride' garage in New Reno. To hell with getting a car to even run (we're not talking about a relatively simple combustion engine. There is no petroleum so the cars are powered by fusion.), let's pimp it.
Fallout 1 :
No post-1960 guns, except for the Desert Eagle. (Let's call that a slip-up) The guns are fictional and generic and not based on real world guns. I loved that, creating a world with a nice fictional weapons industry.
Fallout 2 :
Full of real world guns. I don't care it's a Fabrique Nationale P90. Belgian firearms shouldn't be prevalent in a setting were Europe is just a "bunch of bickering city states". (fallout intro) Generic weapons don't have that problem. Which brings us to New Reno and the Tommy Guns. A Tommy Gun would actually fit Fallout very well, if it was a unique museum piece. Having a bunch of them with ammo to boot is complete nonsense. I can't see anyone argueing against this. "But Thompsons are cool!" is not an argument.
Fallout 1 :
No sign of city-level population density living in relative prosperity. The Hub is the most lively town, the Boneyard is full of pre-war tech hoarders and the Brotherhood of Steel is reclusive and functions pretty much like post-Roman-Empie catholic monks keeping knowledge intact after a collapse of society.
Fallout 2 (80 years later) :
In 80 years, Shady Sands has become a thriving republic with a fleet of cars and cozy homes even though the means are limited. While this is not beyond my ability to suspend disbelief (it's pushing it), the fact that there is a city close by dealing in drugs, prostitution, porn and gambling is. No one is going to synthesize a drug when there are natural products like opium, mescaline and alcohol available when they have no working laboratories. New Reno is economically isolated, but is explained away by parasiting off nearby communities. The only one we see is Redding, which is a ridiculous place all on its own. The existence of New Reno is never justified, there is no background, it just is. Even if it does fit the setting, I'd like that to be explained to me through the game world. There must be a hell of a story to that city if it is the way it is But there isn't. There is no story to New Reno. Just a lot of gimmicks and stuff to do.
The final argument is something hard to comprehend for most people and hard to explain so I won't explain it. I will make it. It doesn't fit the 50's theme. And it is there in Fallout. Brain bots, nuclear families, giant mutations (50's sci-fi), art deco and stream, the car designs, the dawn of communist fears, the die-cast metal design of the power armor, the macrotechnolgy versus microtechnology, the atomic race instead of the space race..etc etc.
If anyone is capable of giving me a synospis for a backstory that makes sense out of New Reno using these elements and reasoning from Fallout (1), I'd love to see it.
Dgaider said:
You're fat too.
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Volourn said:
You have 8,000+ posts there, and 6,000+ posts here. Are you an invalid? Can you even find your way out of your computer room? Anyone with that many posts since the beginning of ARPANET needs a life and needs the electricity turned off in mommy's house.
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Well, let's see then:Volourn said:
"As there seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding, this is not a free expansion pack being compiled by Bioware. The CEP Team is comprised of members of the Neverwinter Nights community putting together a lot of the best of the community content out there into a single pak. This was all their idea and Bioware is simply spotlighting the project for them, as much as my waist could apparently use the, ummm, widening..."
I, of course, see nothing wrong with clarifying some issues and providing a different point of view in a discussion, but in your terms, he was here to defend Bio.
It was a thread about me? I thought it was a thread about the interview, slowly evolving into a Codex bitchfest.
You are very perceptive.
And what?
Well, then show me a link. Otherwise, we can all play that game. Hey, do you remember how last year you told me how much you enjoy being fucked up your skinny little ass? No? Well, you were pretty clear on your feelings then, IIRC.
Greatatlantic
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HardCode said:
I still like the theory that Volourn is actually a computer AI program. The only question who created Volourn. I suspected the US government as a way to discredit the free communication of ideas. Most people (far less imaginative) just say Bioware.
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"You have 8,000+ posts there, and 6,000+ posts here. Are you an invalid? Can you even find your way out of your computer room? Anyone with that many posts since the beginning of ARPANET needs a life and needs the electricity turned off in mommy's house."
It takes very little time to write a post. Most people who have far less post then me are on these sites likely as much as I am espicially amongst the (semi) regulars). The only difference is I'll reply to any thread I find interesting while post people just read and pipe in once and awhile.
On top of that is if the best you got is 'OMG You postz a lot! LOLOLOL'; you need to try harder.
"I, of course, see nothing wrong with clarifying some issues and providing a different point of view in a discussion, but in your terms, he was here to defend Bio."
How is that slobbering in defense of BIO? In fact, there is hardly any defending at all going on. Reading that post out of context it simply looks like someone prior to it mistakenly put out that that CEP was a BIO project when it wasn't. He corrected that. OMG! That's eally comparitve to you rushing over to the Obsidian to defend yourself and your article (like many reviewers who rush here only to defend their articles from the Codex attacks on it and we both know how they are quickly shot down) or even worse the Bethesda fnaboys who come rushing here with only one purpose in mind - to defend Bethesda at all costs.
This is opposed to someone like me who while I do spend a lot of time spamming how much I love NWN that it is far from my sole purpose of being here and oten post on things having nothing to do with it or BIO.
"Hey, do you remember how last year you told me how much you enjoy being fucked up your skinny little ass? No?"
So what i did? If someone wants to, they can also find posts where I say NWN sucks. And? Your point being what?
It takes very little time to write a post. Most people who have far less post then me are on these sites likely as much as I am espicially amongst the (semi) regulars). The only difference is I'll reply to any thread I find interesting while post people just read and pipe in once and awhile.
On top of that is if the best you got is 'OMG You postz a lot! LOLOLOL'; you need to try harder.
"I, of course, see nothing wrong with clarifying some issues and providing a different point of view in a discussion, but in your terms, he was here to defend Bio."
How is that slobbering in defense of BIO? In fact, there is hardly any defending at all going on. Reading that post out of context it simply looks like someone prior to it mistakenly put out that that CEP was a BIO project when it wasn't. He corrected that. OMG! That's eally comparitve to you rushing over to the Obsidian to defend yourself and your article (like many reviewers who rush here only to defend their articles from the Codex attacks on it and we both know how they are quickly shot down) or even worse the Bethesda fnaboys who come rushing here with only one purpose in mind - to defend Bethesda at all costs.
This is opposed to someone like me who while I do spend a lot of time spamming how much I love NWN that it is far from my sole purpose of being here and oten post on things having nothing to do with it or BIO.
"Hey, do you remember how last year you told me how much you enjoy being fucked up your skinny little ass? No?"
So what i did? If someone wants to, they can also find posts where I say NWN sucks. And? Your point being what?
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