Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Semiurge]

Good to know.

They have nothing for you to rob. Cabbage perhaps, but prepare to fight them.

 

[Spectacle]

WTF is the deal with that Arasaka SMG? How do you even hold it? And how is the magazine tilted that way, rather than the other way, is the ammo fatter in the front than the back? IT MAKES NO SENSE

Yes, I'm taking this seriously now.

- Tilted magazine makes no sense whatsoever. It's straight, without a curve, so bolt has to pick rounds from an angled surface? Not gonna work.
- Barrel length is amazing. Some pistols have longer barrels than this. If this huge disk on the non-supressed model is actually a threaded nut which you unscrew with the barrel and screw a suppressor instead, then the suppressed version has no barrel whatsoever! Shooting straight from the chamber.
- I see no place for gas operation, so it's either straight blowback or delayed blowback akin to MP5.
- Bolt handle looks like one from G36, but too far back. This means it has some long ass lever to connect handle and bolt. Unpractical and unnecessary.
- Trigger group should be a compact one, or it will interfere with the recoil spring
- I made an assumption about this thing having recoil buffer, and still, it has too much unused space in the back.
- Buttstock looks atrocious. RIP user shoulder.
- Pistol handle looks awful.

The funniest thing of all is that this SMG is designed as bullpup without being a bullpup! Forgive my mad skillz, but transforming this thing into a bullpup configurations, and it starts to make sense!

To me that looks like it's inspired by the design of the Kriss Vector;

 

[DalekFlay]

Cyberpunk as a genre is fairly close to the hard sci-fi end of the scale, rampant AIs and voodoo notwithstanding. Where it breaks the rules, it should do so with intent. In my view guns that can't work mechanically or ergonomically just don't fit. This isn't Star Wars or DOOM or some such.

The game is shooting for general "realism" as in not too crazy with the sci-fi concepts and tech and whatnot, but it's obviously going for a pumped up and exaggerated sense of style and fashion. The guns reflecting that is fine.

 

[Ol' Willy]

To me that looks like it's inspired by the design of the Kriss Vector;

Could be the case, but it's still fail. Kriss Vector has this weird downward going bolt and thus uses no space behind the trigger group. This way, it could be made very compact, so you can carry it around concealed. Arasaka gun has a huge ass, but barrel is still very short, so it serves no purpose: the gun is not very compact and barrel length is shit. And I'm quite sure that CDPR designer didn't even Google how Kriss Vector works, otherwise Arasaka gun wouldn't have this G36 looking bolt handle on top.

Yeah, now I get how it was done. Guy in charge of that gun just took images of Steyr AUG commando version and Kriss Vector, combined them together and topped it with G36 bolt handle for flashy reload animation - and called it a day.

 

[Ol' Willy]

The game is shooting for general "realism" as in not too crazy with the sci-fi concepts and tech and whatnot, but it's obviously going for a pumped up and exaggerated sense of style and fashion. The guns reflecting that is fine.

There are real world guns that look futuristic as fuck.

Spoiler

 

[DalekFlay]

It's not about "futuristic" it's about style and pizazz. The game has a fucking "cool" stat ffs, of course it has neon guns and shit.

 

[Gargaune]

It's not about "futuristic" it's about style and pizazz. The game has a fucking "cool" stat ffs, of course it has neon guns and shit.

Absolutely, cool should trump futurism, therefore Cyberpunk 2077 should have at least one of these:

 

[Häyhä]

Bright-colored, cheap and unreliable "plastic" polymer-one-shot guns are part of the lore in Cyberpunk 2020. Most "modern" guns in CP2020 used caseless ammunition as well. It also had the AK-47s, Steyer AUGs, Uzis etc. at the time contemporary guns as "oldies" weapons.

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Federated_Arms_X-22

 

[DJOGamer PT]

There are real world guns that look futuristic as fuck.

Maybe you don't know this, but technically the Pancor Jackhammer isn't a real gun.
Besides it looks like garbage - and shoots like garbage too...

 

[Ol' Willy]

Maybe you don't know this, but technically the Pancor Jackhammer isn't a real gun.

One still exist, though...

 

[Prime Junta]

It's not about "futuristic" it's about style and pizazz. The game has a fucking "cool" stat ffs, of course it has neon guns and shit.

The pink gun is fine. The Arasaka one is the one that gets my goat. The hard angles and metallic textures communicate a military, functional aesthetic, but the design itself just doesn’t work, neither ergonomically nor mechanically. It’s just dumb and ignorant, the opposite of cool.

 

[Silverfish]

The pink one is pretty bad too tbh, it's just small potatoes compared to the Arasaka and Mantis. Damn thing looks like a power drill.

 

[Prime Junta]

The pink one is pretty bad too tbh, it's just small potatoes compared to the Arasaka and Mantis. Damn thing looks like a power drill.

The pink one looks like it might work as a gun. There's nothing obviously impossible about it. The fact that it's pink and looks like a disposable water pistol is consistent with what it's supposed to be. If someone was to market a disposable gun for People Who Like Hot Pink (tm), they might very well make it look like that.

The Arasaka one is the opposite. It's a serious gun made for serious people. And it doesn't work as that. It's just bad design, simple as that.

 

[Grotesque]

Tilted magazine makes no sense whatsoever. It's straight, without a curve, so bolt has to pick rounds from an angled surface? Not gonna work.

yes.. not gonna work. since 1911

 

[Ol' Willy]

yes.. not gonna work. since 1911

Nah. Look at 1911 diagram:

Well, obviously, the mag is tilted because the grip is tilted - pistols with a 90 degree grip are not very comfortable to shoot. Colt 1901 had less tilted grip, and mag was more straight.

Now, let's imagine Arasaka gun round placement. Remember, that round usually lies in the magazine parallel to the bolt and the chamber (with exceptions, of course, but for majority of cases it's true)

Well, technically it will work, but makes little sense. Angle here is not necessary, for if you want comfortable foregrip there are way better methods than using a mag for that. Not only that, but rounds placed like this - under an angle - lessen the magazine capacity. Mags are usually straight and perpendicular to the gun, or curved forward to stack more rounds. Here, it's straight, but angled back - so it eats up 10-15% of capacity. And follower spring is gonna be very lopsided. Not too high-end, I say.

That's me applying a common sense to that, judging by the looks it probably was intended as something like this:

Chambering the round tip down, cool idea

 

[Yosharian]

I think you'll find it's called a clip

 

[Grotesque]

I think you'll find it's called a clip

 

[Yosharian]

Sigh

 

[Ol' Willy]

Yeah, I was nitpicking. Why not though? People here bumped BG3 thread to more than 500 pages talking God knows about what kind of shit. Despite all the shortcomings and nonsensical stuff this gun looks like it may exist and even work. It's still way better than the retarded designs faggots from Shittesda came up with:

 

[Duralux for Durabux]

Yeah, I was nitpicking. Why not though? People here bumped BG3 thread to more than 500 pages talking God knows about what kind of shit. Despite all the shortcomings and nonsensical stuff this gun looks like it may exist and even work. It's still way better than the retarded designs faggots from Shittesda came up with:

It's just a PPsh-41 with different magazine.

 

[just]

for me it's 12

 

[Ol' Willy]

It's just a PPsh-41 with bigger magazine

And with totally fucked up proportions. Magazine is too far forward, effectively in the middle of the barrel; ejection port is too far back and too far away from the magazine; there is no place for bolt to go back. This is the finest example of "googled up the uncopyrighted design and changed it a bit" unproffesionalism present in the gamedev industry. This faggots went to copy the PPSh design, but failed even at that.

 

[Duralux for Durabux]

And with totally fucked up proportions. Magazine is too far forward, effectively in the middle of the barrel; ejection port is too far back and too far away from the magazine; there is no place for bolt to go back. This is the finest example of "googled up the uncopyrighted design and changed it a bit" unproffesionalism present in the gamedev industry. This faggots went to copy the PPSh design, but failed even at that.

No, The magazine is just wider, that's all. The rest is literally the same as the PPsh-41 except the barrel is shorter.

 

[CaffeineConquistador]

WTF is the deal with that Arasaka SMG? How do you even hold it? And how is the magazine tilted that way, rather than the other way, is the ammo fatter in the front than the back? IT MAKES NO SENSE

Yes, I'm taking this seriously now.

- Tilted magazine makes no sense whatsoever. It's straight, without a curve, so bolt has to pick rounds from an angled surface? Not gonna work.
- Barrel length is amazing. Some pistols have longer barrels than this. If this huge disk on the non-supressed model is actually a threaded nut which you unscrew with the barrel and screw a suppressor instead, then the suppressed version has no barrel whatsoever! Shooting straight from the chamber.
- I see no place for gas operation, so it's either straight blowback or delayed blowback akin to MP5.
- Bolt handle looks like one from G36, but too far back. This means it has some long ass lever to connect handle and bolt. Unpractical and unnecessary.
- Trigger group should be a compact one, or it will interfere with the recoil spring
- I made an assumption about this thing having recoil buffer, and still, it has too much unused space in the back.
- Buttstock looks atrocious. RIP user shoulder.
- Pistol handle looks awful.

The funniest thing of all is that this SMG is designed as bullpup without being a bullpup! Forgive my mad skillz, but transforming this thing into a bullpup configurations, and it starts to make sense!

To me that looks like it's inspired by the design of the Kriss Vector;

Jesus, that it was ugly fucking gun, and yeah, “gun” was intentional here since it looks like an attachment for industrial vacuum cleaner.

 

[Ol' Willy]

No, The magazine is just wider, that's all. The rest is literally the same as the PPsh-41 except the barrel is shorter.

PPSh has ejection port on top right above the magazine. Shotgun has one in the back. Considering, that ejection port is usually located at bolt rest, then bolt is far back and has no way to reciprocate.

If shotgun bolt is indeed where the magazine is, then:
- barrel is short as Todd Howards cock
- how the fuck does it eject?
- why the space between the magazine and trigger group is so wide?

Not to say that port is to small too eject 12 gauge shells.

Original Combat Shotgun from Fallout 1 was perfectly OK and looked quite believable. Why they needed to change that?