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Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Discussion in 'CD Projekt Red' started by Azazel, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Infinitron I post news Patron

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  2. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    You are V.
    This means the game is player centric and not character centring pretty idiotic choice for a game based on a pen and paper rpg.
     
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    Yeah I agree, I think that they should've allowed us to make our own character like the PnP. Otherwise this game is just Deus Ex: HR but with driving. I mean I guess I'll enjoy that, but its not Cyberpunk 2020.
     
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    I disagree, I much prefer the quality of having a somewhat fixed protagonist, in terms of character, voice work, dialogue and quest design. Having a blank slate means having bland world.
     
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  5. Quillon Magister

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    Not that far, Adam Jensen is too predefined; set gender, looks, backstory etc. V can still be flexible in those regards. I also prefer blank-slate protags when developers know how well they can support/react to the range of things a blank-slate character can be throughout the game and limit that range of things he/she can be accordingly. V is a compromise in between for their story-telling purposes.
     
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  6. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    According with cd projekt red V is just as defined as geralt you can see it in the gameplay demo too the only difference is you can change gender a customize a little ((with presets)) the appearance. On top of that your character has also a set age. So yes what they told in the interview is an half truth. Even the system of progrettion of the game not only has nothing to do with cyberpunk ((leveled ennemies in cyberpunk?)) But there will be also lack of social skill.

    So in the end this game of cyberpunk has only the visual style for the rest it plays like an ordinary FPS with multiple choices and quests.
     
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    this game will make invisible war look good
     
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  8. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    This game will be just another themepark shooter with quests and narrative with a collab of features taken by other shooters.
     
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    "V" sounds terribly impersonal, and makes me hope for more freedom in characterization coming from the player. But I'm probably wrong and the point of "V" is just that they can record male and female VO for half the price :)
     
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  10. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    Judging by the demo there is no much room for charaterization all you have is the freedom to chose gender and mix and match with presets to obtain a personal look with all the limitations this bring. But V is indeed very defined. Set age.Set manner to interact with the world. Just like Geralt but unlike Geralt you can chose to have a penis or a vagina.
     
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    Blank characters are for customization fags. People who love to spend the first 10 hours playing with beards, hair and pimples. Despicable creatures.
     
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    Whatever the game won't react to & can be incompatible with the story they're telling/conflicting to what the character can do & others do/say to him/her shouldn't be a customization option to get ignored throughout the game. I'll set my protag's age to 50, even give him wrinkles and grey hair etc and people will call him kid anyway, how nice.

    Tho set manner is pretty worrying, f.i. that cunt at a convent auto-convo between V & Jackie.
     
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    I'm still rationalizing the demo as being intentionally done in blatant "barely interactive movie" style, as to impress the journos who don't want a game but a movie anyway. I can't believe the full game won't have more freedom. Heck, Hong Kong in Deus Ex had more freedom than this demo. They can't have the whole game be like this, or this will end up costing more than GTA V. Right?

    What of those who want to play with blank tits and legs?

    I don't know what Infinitron is citation needing-me for.
     
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  16. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    All great words and all for a game that in the gameplay demo shown just generic shooting that has nothing to do with the source material.
     
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    'Tron, where do you get all these magazines from?
     
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    I prefer "build your own" RPGs but prefab protags can be fine too as long as one goes into them with eyes open and the devs don't pretend you can be whatever you want (cf. Fallout 4).
     
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  19. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    People criticizing customization and made your own character in a game Based on a pen and paper rpg
     
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  20. Zombra An iron rock in the river of blood and evil Patron

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    Dude, I get it, I really do. But you know, tabletop and CRPGs are never, ever, ever, ever going to be exactly the same. Pen and paper RPGs let you make characters from scratch, but those characters also have in depth personal stories. PnP has both. So say you're making a CRPG and you want it to be exactly like PnP. You want blank slate characters with in depth personal stories, but you can't have both. So which do you throw out? CDP wants to emphasize a deep story - that doesn't make it any less like PnP than it would be with generated characters with no story.
     
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    Call me old school but if i am interested in a good story alone i could always read a book. And beside you can still have a great writing and narrative even following the rules of a pen and paper rpg.. Planecape Torment. Also true they will never be the same but that is not an excuse to bastardize them.
     
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    The best PnP campaigns I ran as a GM and participated in as a player, had pre-generated characters for the players to use.
     
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    Possibly both. Or neither. You never know.
     
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  24. Zombra An iron rock in the river of blood and evil Patron

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    Huh? What does that have to do with old school gaming?

    I mean, it's fine if you would always choose to throw out your least favorite part of PnP, but that doesn't make you right and them wrong.

    Um, Planescape Torment had a prefab protag, same as Geralt or Shepard (or V).
     
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  25. Mebrilia Liturgist

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    The point was another. Preset protagonist or not when you willingly chose to deliberately scrap a system totally bastardize it applying things that kill the spirit of the pen and paper the game is based from. ((like the decision to make Leveled Ennemies that have no place in cyberpunk, or reduce the gameplay in a Micheael bay edition shooter)) Then you break the spirit the pen and paper is based on. I have no problem if a character is partially predefined or not but "You will create your character from the ground up. Quote from cd projekt red" in this case is nothing more than a fat lie. V is not only defined but is too defined.

    Set age.
    Auto Dialogue.
    And so on.

    At least Nameless one provided a variety of answers during dialogues and quests you could feel the illusion to have something of yours in that character that is not the case for cyberpunk 2077 where you have like 4 lines of answers plus auto dialogue and by cd projekt claiming they don't want to gatekeep dialogues on skills.

    Clearly this is a very UN-RPG approach.
     
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