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[Avin]

...but when my name is invoked like any evil entity I feel the need to make my presence felt.

Interesting... will it work with other Yugoloths too?

 

[plin]

I'm still here,
BITCHES

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I'm still here,
BITCHES

die faggit hur hur hur

 

[Seven]

I didn't mean gone as in banned. Gone as in "all those guys who posted stupid crap and were made very unwelcome by the majority" gone.

Yeah, the good old days.

 

[plin]

woopssaaaa

 

[Astromarine]

I didn't mean gone as in banned. Gone as in "all those guys who posted stupid crap and were made very unwelcome by the majority" gone.

You mean banned? Just because there's no line in the database that says so on their username, doesn't mean that wasn't what happened. Which I find is the best feature of the Codex. We still get dissenters, like Volourn or his poor copy Plin, but we keep only the good/smart/amusing/interesting/sexy ones. The shitfests in this site can be incredibly relieving, and I hope it never changes.

That said, Exitium is being fucking idiotic. Not because of his positions per se, but because he is a kid coming off like he needs to assert himself, like he's doing it to "stick it to the MAN" instead of because he actually cares. I have been finding his attempts at humor forced, his vendetta against VD annoying and pointless, and his "backing" of Volourn uninvited and unappreciated. Exitium has real positions, which I respect, but they're JUST THAT. POSITIONS. Not a fucking cause, and noone cares if you're defending the honor of game developers everywhere. David comes here quite often for a dev, and he knows what he can expect here. He can, and has, defend himself against the worst the house had to throw at him, and he does not need a whiny kid throwing a hissy fit because someone on the staff OMG DISRESPECTED HIM!!!11

The proof that the boy has lost it is his "you denigrate the Codex" schtick. I mean, are we even talking about the same fucking *site*? I will consider the image of the Codex sullied irreparably when you all STOP pulling that shit like VD does. He may not be as funny as Saint (sorry VD, but that's true ) but he has every fucking right to be abrasive, as much as anyone else. Hell, even GAIDER has been abrasive on occasion (the "Rosh as a little doggy" episode comes to mind)

 

[plin]

Pfft, I'm nothing like Volourn. Especially a poor copy. A poor copy would have to at least be illegible. Just letters dashed around his post square.

 

[Sol Invictus]

*bullshit out of context quotes*

Try putting them in context the next time you use anything as a reference.

You know what the major difference between you and me, Exit? I can prove my claims, you can't. That makes you a fucking full of shit liar. Disagree? Post an example or shut the fuck up.

No, that isn't the major difference between you and I (It's you and I not you and me. Did you even go to school?) The major difference between you and I is that you make references by taking quotes out of context and skewing them to fit your own agenda, which isn't something I often do. That makes you a full of shit liar and makes me an occasional liar (everyone lies) and the only shit in my system is the feces in my large intestine. It's a pity yours goes all the way through to your mouth.

Uh, have I ever insulted your first, Rex? Yet you are just unable to maintain a normal discussion.

Here you are again with the mouth-stuffing and the constant denials. You sound like a five year old and it pisses me off. It's not about who did what first. It's about whether you did it, and you have, and that's all there is to it. Last I recall, Pete Hines didn't call you 'full of shit', either.

We can follow up on every argument we've ever had, starting from the one where you, a fucking teenager in Asia was trying to pretend that you know shit about business in NA.

Here you are now with some racialistic generalization about 'every fucking teenager in Asia'. This proves you to be nothing more than a wannabe Aryan neanderthal who thinks he knows everything there is to know about the United States before he lives there, as if you were born with the genetic memory of your ancestors. I'll tell you why I know more about the United States than you do and it's because unlike you, I'm an educated person who doesn't believe in all the nationalistic propaganda you're force fed through the media every day with some rubbish belief about how USA is #1.

Several times, Rex, I was the one who stopped the flame war first, because we are part of the same thing here, and I didn't want to turn every thread into a flame war. Yet every time, you were unable to discuss things in a civil and respectful manner, you immature little dumb prick who can't put the interests of the site above your own pathetic vendetta.

Your hypocrisy is revealed in a single paragraph.

Prove. Your. Bullshit.

I have. Remember the time you said Money and Time were the two most important factors in the development of a good game? I called you out for that, and I proved you wrong. You backpaddled by saying that even though Talent was necessary for a good game, Money and Time were the two most important factors in getting a project started. How's that for backpaddling?

I simply asked about DA, without LOL. I'm curious about that game, and there was nothing snarky about that question.

It was a snarky comment. Anyone with an IQ of above 120 would know that and call you out for it. Do not take people for imbeciles.

Paraphrasing? Nice backpeddaling, you can compete in one of those "special" Olympics for retarded.

I was indeed paraphrasing, but in your lack of comprehension can't seem to grasp this concept and regard it as backpaddling on my part. A few more years of tertiary schooling would do the job for you.

The Special Olympics is for the retarded. Who else would it be for? By the way, this insult is very, very old.

 

[Sol Invictus]

That sure is some priceless fucking bullshit.

That's a really nice way to start off an argument. It'll get you a lot of interested people, I'm sure.

You frequently post news that is littered with your fucked up opinions and you ARE listed as RPGCodex staff member.

When have I ever posted on the pretense that those opinions were none other than my own? Never do I refer to my opinions as "our" or "we at the Codex". VD often does that, I do not. I do not know anyone else who does that, either. Next time, I'll add a disclaimer: All of my posts and reviews are personal opinions and not necessarily reflected by the rest of the site.

Your keyboard diarreah has a direct connection to the *public image* of the site.

The proper term is verbal diarrhea. If you want to insult me, at least make an effort to do so without sounding like an imbecile. Not once have I taken it to my stead to insult game developers and PR officers by referring to them as "full of shit" on the main page as Vault Dweller has. Unless you consider our public image to be as dirty as StileProject's.

If you are going to post 5000+ words a day here, don't fucking dare try to act like your "above it all".

What relevence do my post and word counts have with the scenario in question? I smell a straw man, and it comes in the form of an argument.

If you want to disassociate yourself from the sites identity, stop posting news, remove yourself as a staff member, shut the fuck up to the tune of 500 words a day or less and remove *www.rpgcodex.com* from your sig

I see you're of the opinion that RPG Codex staff can be nothing short of drones who share the exact same opinion. If so, I would suggest to bugger off and go to GameSpy.com where everybody agrees with everybody else.

Communist.

 

[Seven]

Here you are now with some racialistic generalization about 'every fucking teenager in Asia'. This proves you to be nothing more than a wannabe Aryan neanderthal who thinks he knows everything there is to know about the United States before he lives there, as if you were born with the genetic memory of your ancestors. I'll tell you why I know more about the United States than you do and it's because unlike you, I'm an educated person who doesn't believe in all the nationalistic propaganda you're force fed through the media every day with some rubbish belief about how USA is #1.

Before this degenerated into *that* area lets review what VD said: "you, a fucking teenager in Asia was trying to pretend that you know shit about business in NA." I think that he was only referring to you in particular (and not Asians in general), and that he brought up the fact that you're in Asia isn't at all racist since I think that he meant to say was that some one who's in another polity shouldn't try to juxtapose the business practices from their place or origin to another polity. BTW, I think that VD lives in Toronto, or there abouts, right?

On a side note, this is getting really petty, shouldn’t you guys continue this over ICQ or something? If you want to bash each other, then you don’t necessarily need an audience. And yes VD, I do realize that Rex has been hounding you in threads (some what, any ways), so it might be a mote point.

 

[Sol Invictus]

And now to answer the bullshit that started this psychotic episode:

blah blah

Was that really called for? Couldn't you simply disagree, state your position like normal people do? Am I asking too much here? Your comment has derailed the whole thread. Why? Because you can?

Derailed? If anything, the thread took on a new course, as many of our threads do. Unlike you, I have no pretentions over the nature of the Codex. You often 'derail' threads with your constant bickering with Volourn but thus far, I haven't called you out for it. So why prove yourself hypocritical by behaving as if the sudden change in the direction of a thread is negative?

So?

My point exactly. The majority of the content in your posts serve as nothing more than flamebait and yet you manage to call me out for baiting you into this very argument. How contrite of you.

Answer one question, yes or no, please. Is Bio known for several responses leading to the same thing?

Yes, but so is every other company. Troika's Arcanum included. This is a moot question.

]What is the main reason many RPG Codex members including some staff members like Saint and Spazmo dislike Bio games?

Have you read Saint's review of KOTOR? If I were you, I wouldn't make so many generalizations especially when they can't be backed up by facts.

First of all that was a joke addressed at Volourn who always jokes about us covering Bio games and questioning their RPG qualities. Second, Greg did answer the question, just because you didn't like the answer, doesn't mean there wasn't one. Even an absense of an answer is considered as an answer, but in that particular case it was certianly more then that.

It's always a joke when nobody is laughing to the tune of your words, isn't it? Your comprehension abilities are faltering to degrees lower than usual today, Vault Dweller. Greg (I believe it was) skirted the question by answering simply that he enjoys making fun games rather than exact RPGs. If it just so happens that the games he enjoys making are perceived as RPGs by the public, all the better. He did not in any way say, "All fun games are RPGs" as you would so insist. You are an imbecile.

We were exchanging jokes with Volourn. Before that he claimed that he never played a Bio game before. Did you miss that? How convinient.

It's always a joke with you when nobody's laughing, or whenever you make a dull point and it fails to convey any sense of intelligence.

Was that addressed to you? Or you just wanted to tell me to fuck off? Or are you some kind of a self-proclaimed moderator who locks thread, edits other staff members news posts, and watches for political correctness? What a pathetic power-hungry jerk you are.

I just felt like telling you to fuck off. How dreadfully immature of me.
"Volourn, I look at the game overall. Take ToEE for example, we all say there is no story, although *technically* there is. We say that quests sucks, although technically there are a few that are good. We say that Arcanum was non-linear although technically there were a few places that forced you to do things in sequence. We say that Fallout had multiple solutions, but there were quests that could only be solved one way. Have I made my point yet?"

Good argument. You really proved me wrong there.

Your selective reasoning is tiresome. Your argument is that TOEE has a 'strong storyline' because a story is present. I contend that TOEE would only have a strong storyline, but only if you negate the existence of every other RPG ever designed. This is what's called selective reasoning. You should know the term, as you employ it quite often.

What's time got to do with anything? Anyway, some temple factions quests (lower level) were good.

That is highly subjective, and considering your affinity for Troika's products, even the most flawed and poorly designed quests would be subjected to the same admiration as any of the quests in Fallout. I personally don't see how kiling a snake in the kitchen or slaughtering an ogre mound can be considered 'good' or 'well designed' in any way. Desecrating the altar? That was a matter of opening the inventory slot of the altar and putting the desecrated materials inside. Indeed, what a great and complex quest that was.

And how does coming from a specific vault not fit the setting? You know, Exitium, people are beginning to suspect that you are really stupid by now. Just so you know.

I could well contend that waking up aboard the ship in KOTOR fit the setting but you would argue that it is linear because the game forces you to be at that exact place and time. I was merely using your logic and reasoning. If I am suspected to be in any way stupid, it would be due to behaving as you do.

Whatever it is I was saying? So, you are too stupid to understand what I wrote, is that it? I never claimed that Fallout was the most non-linear game ever made, btw.

You have tried to claim it by making subtle references to the nature of its non-linearity, as if Fallout is the holy grail of gaming and that Troika is the unfaltering God that does no wrong, but you have been disproven every single time.

That's why no diplomatic character has even been able to finish Fallout.

Did I ever say that? I only said it would be an incredible challenge that required constant saving and reloading, unlike any other playstyle. As I do not consider saving and reloading to be a part of a game, or even a challenge at that, I must say that choosing the pacifist character who does no fighting does not at all fit into the nature of the game nor can it be considered a truly viable method of legitimate gameplay.

You are just plain stupid, Rex, but you are really good at that.

My name isn't even Rex, but thanks for trying.



edit: misquoted.

 

[Sol Invictus]

I didn't want to flame anybody and I wasn't trying to impress anybody. I wrote what I felt.

You couldn't even be bothered to eloquate your words. Your immaturity is quite clear.

Exitium's behavior is idiotic and the worst thing is that he's part of the staff. He feels that he can post anything and get away with that just because he's part of the staff. He posts stuff that other people get flamed and kick out for.

Nobody, aside from Sheriff_Fatman, have ever been banned from the RPG Codex - and that was for spamming incoherently about Client DLLs and making threats in private messaging. By the way, who is this 'we' you constantly refer to? There you go again, with pretenses that you speak for everyone other than your individual self.

Yet we do nothing about him because he's part of the staff. Had anybody else tried to do what he does, they would have been gone. That's some serious double fucking standards and I don't like that at all.

Thanks for bringing that up, I'll be sure to give Saint the heads up that you want me banned from the Codex because you don't like the fact that I might have a differing opinion.

I didn't mean gone as in banned. Gone as in "all those guys who posted stupid crap and were made very unwelcome by the majority" gone.

Nice backpaddling. I'd like to hear you backpaddle about your pseudo-racistic remark about me, though. Let's see how you do that one. Oh Lordy, Exitium is Asian!

 

[Sol Invictus]

That said, Exitium is being fucking idiotic. Not because of his positions per se, but because he is a kid coming off like he needs to assert himself, like he's doing it to "stick it to the MAN" instead of because he actually cares.

Is my zeal really that unfathomable? Every day I open the Codex front page, I see VD's name and I prepare myself to read some incoherent blurb about how all developers are liars and cheats and murderers and rapists. Simply because I haven't spoken up before in as much zeal as I am currently exhibiting does not mean anything has changed.

I have been finding his attempts at humor forced, his vendetta against VD annoying and pointless, and his "backing" of Volourn uninvited and unappreciated.

You wouldn't be saying this if I supported your opinion more often. I do have a mind of my own, and I'm not ashamed to exhibit it. My opinions aren't always shared by you, just as they aren't always shared by Volourn. Is it so difficult to grasp something beyond a bipartisan Codex? God forbid someone could think for himself instead of becoming a clone of one or the other parties.

Exitium has real positions, which I respect, but they're JUST THAT. POSITIONS. Not a fucking cause, and noone cares if you're defending the honor of game developers everywhere.

What's wrong with a little zeal? I don't expect anyone to take my positions as anything more than positions. If you want to regard it as some fervent cause, you can be my guest, but don't affilate me with your false perceptions.

David comes here quite often for a dev, and he knows what he can expect here. He can, and has, defend himself against the worst the house had to throw at him, and he does not need a whiny kid throwing a hissy fit because someone on the staff OMG DISRESPECTED HIM!!!11

My response towards Vault Dweller was in no way related to any sense of respect I may or may not have for David. It was merely a response to Vault Dweller's consistently annoying posts, and I decided to call him out for it. As I've stated before, developers are individuals who can defend their own positions, and I do not particularly appareciate it when someone jumps in to take a bullet for them: which isn't what I did. His words simply struck me as something to respond to. VD and many of you often jump in to take a bullet for Troika, even when they do not deserve it, particularly in the case of their development of a Pause & Play game, and their lacklustre work on TOEE. Consider yourselves hypocrites.

The proof that the boy has lost it is his "you denigrate the Codex" schtick. I mean, are we even talking about the same fucking *site*? I will consider the image of the Codex sullied irreparably when you all STOP pulling that shit like VD does.

Nobody listens to a 5 year old whine and scream incoherently about how someone stole his toy. We're supposed to be constructive in our opinions, not denigrating as he is. You don't see any of the rest of us screaming "PETE HINES IS FULL OF SHIT" on the main page, do you?

He may not be as funny as Saint (sorry VD, but that's true ) but he has every fucking right to be abrasive, as much as anyone else.

And everyone else has a right, just as he, to feel that his bullshit is out of bounds and call him out for it. He isn't under some sort of sanctuary that would nullify or give him protect him from criticism. Why would he be? If you behave like an abrasive fucktard, people are going to call you out for your behaviour and you shouldn't expect any form of leniency. It's simple cause and effect. Actions have their consequences.

Hell, even GAIDER has been abrasive on occasion (the "Rosh as a little doggy" episode comes to mind)

And he was called out for it. Why should VD be off limits? Because he's a staff member? Fuck him. This isn't GameSpy. People are free to call out staff members for their bullshit regardless of whose site it belongs to. Just as I don't expect the Codex to have a "respect all staff members and moderators or you will be banned" rule, I don't expect anyone to adhere to this nonexistent law.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Once again you've conviniently skipped what that was in reply to: "Get on all 4 years, and strip then." You are full of shit, Rex.

What does 'get on all 4 years and strip then' even mean? I realize that your inability to communicate has a twisted logic to it, so it can't really have a perverted meaning to it, can it?

If it means what I think it means: "Get on well for 4 years, and then discard whatever chemistry we had", my response would be: I'll call anyone out for their bullshit. But how does that make sense? The Codex wasn't founded until 2002.

I don't need advices from you, no do I need to prove my age. Only a little kid like you can think that being 34 is kewl. Grow fucking up.

Only an overgrown child would find something even 17 year olds don't find amusing anymore.

I didn't admit anything. David is a designer. His opinions, even on a specific issues, represent a general design approach that was seen in many Bio games (the RPG ones). That's my opinion and I didn't back away from that.

Strong words for someone who defends Troika for every decision they make, including the decision to make a pause and play game. How come you aren't calling them out for their incoherence and lack of a firm design mandate?

Don't forget "Hey, David" comment. That was so insulting, and David didn't even realize that. What an idiot you are, Rex!

If calling people 'idiots' and 'morons' are the best insults in your repertoire, I am sorely dissapointed. As I've started before, a snarky comment like that is difficult to miss.

Another joke. Volorn got it, you didn't. Deal with it. I think of Volourn as a friend. I have never been insulted by his comments, and I hope he can say the same. When you were on another power trip talking about banning Volourn, I was the one who objected to that bullshit. Funny thing is you wanted to ban him for disrupting normal discussions, which is what your hypocritical ass is constantly doing now.

I won't backpaddle my way out of this by making any excuses for my suggestion to ban him. I did, in fact, want to ban him. I do not pretend that never happened. All I can simply say is that I just don't feel the same way about banning people as I once did. Dredging up an argument that extends over a year back and has absolutely no relevence on the current discussion or my current state of mind is beyond incomprehensible, even for you.

 

[baelstren]

We can follow up on every argument we've ever had, starting from the one where you, a fucking teenager in Asia was trying to pretend that you know shit about business in NA.

Here you are now with some racialistic generalization about 'every fucking teenager in Asia'. This proves you to be nothing more than a wannabe Aryan neanderthal who thinks he knows everything there is to know about the United States before he lives there, as if you were born with the genetic memory of your ancestors. I'll tell you why I know more about the United States than you do and it's because unlike you, I'm an educated person who doesn't believe in all the nationalistic propaganda you're force fed through the media every day with some rubbish belief about how USA is #1.

Umm... NA != USA. The folks up north hate that kind of identification (Bio being based in Edmonton and all...).

 

[Sol Invictus]

Read the context, Baelstren. In the argument that VD was referring to, I was talking about the United States, not North America (that would include Mexico, too.). In any case, VD is so much more of a USA #1 type of person than some Americans I know. He seems to think that Canada is in bed with the United States whenever it comes to united offensives like the current War in Iraq.

 

[Sheriff05]

Communist.

Asshole, point being you’re a staff member and as VD clearly pointed out your retarded behavior reflects on the entire site in general.
You have been monopolizing 90% of the discussions of late and have the naivety to claim your opinions are simply your *own* but wear RPG CODEX on your sleeve like you were in the 101st Airborne.

It's not your shitty, juvenile opinions that bother me
it's your repeated to attempts to "change the tone" of people who come to the site.
This is free public website that attracts people with common interests but with a wide variety of opinions.
I came here because this is a free uncensored zone to publicly critique things that pissed me off about the gaming industry.
I never saw it as place were developers came to make excuses or hype their bullshit products. This place definitely doesn't need some budding neo-Nazi
with a 24 hour hard-on for Volourn (that'd be you) telling people *what to think*


Who gives a flying fuck if VD tells some developer he's Full of Shit
What are you the guys fucking business manager?
It's somehow not ok for him to be cynical as he wants, but it's totally fine for you
to endlessly ramble with your hyperbolic mischaracterizations as long it fits in with your daily agenda. What the fuck are you smoking?

Nobody here owes any developer or company any sort of automatic loyalty or respect. That shit is earned one person at a time.
Am I going to give D. Gaider the benefit of the doubt when I hate his company and its games. obviously not.

You should just start your own website, that way anyone who wants to read 10,000+ words a day from you can get their fill handily, just leave this place the fuck alone.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Asshole,

Off on a good start.

point being you’re a staff member and as VD clearly pointed out your retarded behavior reflects on the entire site in general.

I don't suppose calling developers and PR officers "Full of shit" on the main page would reflect poorly on the site in general, would it? I'm fairly certain it does. In contrast, my opinions, dilluted as your arguments towards them may be, pale in comparison.

You have been monopolizing 90% of the discussions of late

That is an irrelevent matter, considering that the only strong opposition I receive comes from Vault Dweller, and his arguments consist mainly of insulting comments about how 'stupid' or 'moronic' I am without any solid material with which to back them up. There are times when his entire arguments are comprised only of the words, "You are a deceitful mental invalid and I will not bother to elucidate further upon the matter", but not in those exact words, as the meaning of words like 'elucidate' and 'invalid' have a strong tendency to escape the grasp of his obviously worthless intellect.

and have the naivety to claim your opinions are simply your *own* but wear RPG CODEX on your sleeve like you were in the 101st Airborne.

I'm proud of the RPG Codex and I will not hesitate to proclaim it.

It's not your shitty, juvenile opinions that bother me
it's your repeated to attempts to "change the tone" of people who come to the site.
This is free public website that attracts people with common interests but with a wide variety of opinions.

We are not mindless drones who share a singular belief with multiple, but similar viewpoints on the matter, comrade. It is not unfathomable that contrasting, or even polarized opinions or beliefs may exist. As such, I see no reason why a staff member may not possess the very ability to discern and conceptualize his own thoughts and opinions without having to constantly rely on the opinions of everybody else. In Soviet Russia, belief makes you. This is not Soviet Russia.

I came here because this is a free uncensored zone to publicly critique things that pissed me off about the gaming industry. I never saw it as place were developers came to make excuses or hype their bullshit products. This place definitely doesn't need some budding neo-Nazi with a 24 hour hard-on for Volourn (that'd be you) telling people *what to think*

Your conjecture on this matter is fine, as it is well appreciated. But shouting at people in an infantile manner and calling them 'full of shit' isn't a good way to present your opinions or make others accept them any more willingly. If anything, it drives a wedge between the community and the developer. If you want to write a long, spiteful rant, there's always a Blog you could write. Nobody reads those, and with good reason.

I am not telling anyone what to think. I am merely calling Vault Dweller out for his infantile behaviour, just as others call others out for a myriad of disgruntled reasons. Why should my criticism of him be suddenly made invalid?

Who gives a flying fuck if VD tells some developer he's Full of Shit

I do.

What are you the guys fucking business manager?
It's somehow not ok for him to be cynical as he wants, but it's totally fine for you
to endlessly ramble with your hyperbolic mischaracterizations as long it fits in with your daily agenda. What the fuck are you smoking?

Being cynical is fine by me, though it isn't a fine quality by any means. I don't see how calling him immature for his 'Full of Shit' comment consists of anything less than the truth. Is it too hyperbolic to suggest that someone with a potty mouth and an opinion that consists of nothing more than "Fuck off you fucking full of shit fucking liar." and "I would be insulted, if I had any feelings" be anything other than what I described?

Nobody here owes any developer or company any sort of automatic loyalty or respect. That shit is earned one person at a time.

I suspect you would not survive in the real world with that sort of mentality, or manage to hold a job for any longer than a few days with words like that. Just as I agree nobody deserves any sort of automatic loyalty or respect, I see no reason as to why they would deserve any sort of automatic spite or disrespect. If you expect people to listen to what you have to say, you had better be mature (while forthcoming) about your agenda without resorting to childish, immature remarks about how 'full of shit' they are and how you 'don't care what they think of you'. That earns you nothing more than scorn and disdain. I would personally ignore anyone who suddenly jumped on my ass in such a manner, regardless of how 'valid' his opinions may prove to be. Solely because he fails to give anyone any benefit of the doubt. Attacks like those are common with children trying to 'test the limits' of how far they can go without getting slapped in the face.

Am I going to give D. Gaider the benefit of the doubt when I hate his company and its games. obviously not.

Your bias is proven with this point. Any of your future opinions pertaining to Bioware and its games are hereby rendered invalid.

You should just start your own website, that way anyone who wants to read 10,000+ words a day from you can get their fill handily, just leave this place the fuck alone.

Shouldn't you be reading PennyArcade comics instead of replying to this thread?

 

[Sheriff05]

I don't suppose calling developers and PR officers "Full of shit" on the main page would reflect poorly on the site in general, would it? I'm fairly certain it does. In contrast, my opinions, dilluted as your arguments towards them may be, pale in comparison.

Since when do people come here looking for hugs and kisses?
Your pro-active net-nanny attacks in favor of a more civil discourse undermine this site uniqueness, exponetially since you're a staff member.

You have been monopolizing 90% of the discussions of late

That is an irrelevent matter

Hardly, your non stop self promoting spam makes you look like a lobbist for "X" software..

I'm proud of the RPG Codex and I will not hesitate to proclaim it.

Unfortunately, I can't see how it's proud of you.

We are not mindless drones who share a singular belief with multiple, but similar viewpoints on the matter, comrade. It is not unfathomable that contrasting, or even polarized opinions or beliefs may exist. As such, I see no reason why a staff member may not possess the very ability to discern and conceptualize his own thoughts and opinions without having to constantly rely on the opinions of everybody else. In Soviet Russia, belief makes you. This is not Soviet Russia.

Ok, so your the *Zell Miller* of RPGcodex, I don't see you as being a rebel
just a self promoting blowhard.

If anything, it drives a wedge between the community and the developer.

So what?, that's what every developers message board full of sycophants is for.
You expect people here should behave that way here as well?

I am not telling anyone what to think. I am merely calling Vault Dweller out for his infantile behaviour, just as others call others out for a myriad of disgruntled reasons. Why should my criticism of him be suddenly made invalid?

No, that's what I am doing to you, You're telling VD how to behave as a fellow staff member. If Saint said it, it'd be one thing and I am sure it be a private message.
All your fucking doing is looking for attention from the developers of the shit you like, it's blatantly obvious. Here's some advice- email them personally and save us your drama.

Being cynical is fine by me, though it isn't a fine quality by any means. I don't see how calling him immature for his 'Full of Shit' comment consists of anything less than the truth. Is it too hyperbolic to suggest that someone with a potty mouth and an opinion that consists of nothing more than "Fuck off you fucking full of shit fucking liar." and "I would be insulted, if I had any feelings" be anything other than what I described?

That not what I am talking about, I am talking about you continuously misrepresenting specific facts about various games as all as other peoples views in order to promote your own agenda, it's absolutely no different than what VD does.
He just does it way better and doesn't sound like a sanctimonious asshole.

I suspect you would not survive in the real world with that sort of mentality, or manage to hold a job for any longer than a few days with words like that. Just as I agree nobody deserves any sort of automatic loyalty or respect, I see no reason as to why they would deserve any sort of automatic spite or disrespect.

Yeah let's talk about he who has job, he whom has time to post 10,000+ words a day on a gaming message board.

My point was as a consumer you owe no brand your loyalty, respect is earned as well as disrespect. In this case Bioware has earned disrespect on numerous fronts,
The news headline, Bioware foists more of it's crap on the gullible public!
Should not raise an eyebrow to any regular here. This site has made it's bones
as a uncensored critical forum. You're a complete hypocrite to suggest otherwise.

Your bias is proven with this point. Any of your future opinions pertaining to Bioware and its games are hereby rendered invalid.

Are you fucking high?, I am completely biased, negative and irrational when it comes to Bioware. That is my right as I have spent my hard earned cash to play their games.
I have never stated otherwise. my opinion comes from my personal experience, take it or leave it.

Shouldn't you be reading PennyArcade comics instead of replying to this thread?

Is that supposed to be a flame?
I know you seriously bum out when I hand you your ass post after post but that's just weak.
When the *old* Exitium ( I actually used to *like*) comes back maybe I'll shut up.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Since when do people come here looking for hugs and kisses?
Your pro-active net-nanny attacks in favor of a more civil discourse undermine this site uniqueness, exponetially since you're a staff member.

There's nothing unique about listening to a bunch of stupid teenagers whine about something they don't like in the most immature fashion. There's countless blogs and livejournals and dead journals I could point you in the direction of. It's hardly the kind of thing intelligent people would want to be associated with.

Hardly, your non stop self promoting spam makes you look like a lobbist for "X" software..

Does it? Doubtful. What's worse is considering the fact that there's plenty of Troika-lobbyists over here who seem to think that Troika can do no wrong, even when Troika decides to make a pause and play game. I thought we hated those?

Unfortunately, I can't see how it's proud of you.

Unfortunately for you, I am a part of the Codex. The Codex isn't an entity that exists independently of its contributors.

Ok, so your the *Zell Miller* of RPGcodex, I don't see you as being a rebel
just a self promoting blowhard.

That's what it's all about, isn't it? You perceive me as someone who receives the kind of attention you'd only dream of getting.

So what?, that's what every developers message board full of sycophants is for.
You expect people here should behave that way here as well?

Why does it always have to come down to two choices? Black and white are not the only two colors. I don't see why we have to choose between being insipid sycophants and childish, screaming blowhards.

No, that's what I am doing to you, You're telling VD how to behave as a fellow staff member. If Saint said it, it'd be one thing and I am sure it be a private message.
All your fucking doing is looking for attention from the developers of the shit you like, it's blatantly obvious. Here's some advice- email them personally and save us your drama.

If you don't like what I have to say, why do you insist on participating in this so-aptly termed 'drama' instead of sending me a private message conveying how you feel about my opinions? You're a hypocrite, and you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. If you don't believe that the forum needs more drama, why do you add to it? This could have been between VD and I, but you insist on participating. I can't blame you for it, but please don't pretend to be high and mighty by taking the 'higher ground' when it is obvious to everyone that you are participating in the same verbal mêlée as the rest of us.

That not what I am talking about, I am talking about you continuously misrepresenting specific facts about various games as all as other peoples views in order to promote your own agenda, it's absolutely no different than what VD does.
He just does it way better and doesn't sound like a sanctimonious asshole.

Hardly. Whenever VD presents his opinions, he sounds like an angry child. He is obviously someone whom you can relate to and therefore regard with high esteem.

Yeah let's talk about he who has job, he whom has time to post 10,000+ words a day on a gaming message board.

Argumentum ad hominem. . Rosh would proverbially refer to the above quote as 'mouth-stuffing'. What I do for a living and my contributions to the forum in the form of "10,000 words a day" have absolutely nothing to do with the current subject.

My point was as a consumer you owe no brand your loyalty, respect is earned as well as disrespect. In this case Bioware has earned disrespect on numerous fronts,
The news headline, Bioware foists more of it's crap on the gullible public!
Should not raise an eyebrow to any regular here. This site has made it's bones
as a uncensored critical forum. You're a complete hypocrite to suggest otherwise.

A lot of the criticism is warranted, especially when Bioware refers to Neverwinter Nights as the 'best RPG ever made', but VD often finds himself making unwarranted and baseless accusations towards Bioware and their development on future titles. He sounds almost as bad as Matt Drudge.

Are you fucking high?, I am completely biased, negative and irrational when it comes to Bioware. That is my right as I have spent my hard earned cash to play their games.
I have never stated otherwise. my opinion comes from my personal experience, take it or leave it.

That is your right, just as it is everyone else's right to be satisfied with their products or anticipate (possibly) good games, like Dragon Age. Why you feel the need to stamp on the opinions of others is beyond my rational.

Is that supposed to be a flame?
I know you seriously bum out when I hand you your ass post after post but that's just weak.
When the *old* Exitium ( I actually used to *like*) comes back maybe I'll shut up.

It was a reference to your complaint that I 'type too much'. Learn to read, and stop behaving like a communist.

 

[Vault Dweller]

*bullshit out of context quotes*

Try putting them in context the next time you use anything as a reference.

Nice dodge, Exitium. Whenever you can't dispute or explain your own quotes, just call them out of context bullshit, although I agree on the bullshit part. I also see that there are no quotes proving anything you claimed. Can't say I'm surprised.

No, that isn't the major difference between you and I (It's you and I not you and me. Did you even go to school?)

English school? No. It's not my native language, I picked it up in ports when I was a seaman.

You sound like a five year old and it pisses me off.

Take some anger management courses

Here you are now with some racialistic generalization about 'every fucking teenager in Asia'. This proves you to be nothing more than a wannabe Aryan neanderthal who thinks he knows everything there is to know about the United States before he lives there

You are stupid, Rex. As it was already pointed out, the reference was to your geographical location and age, not the fact that you are an Asian. The discussion was about business and whether it's possible or not to live the Americam dream today, not a fucking trivia about the US.

I'll tell you why I know more about the United States than you do and it's because unlike you, I'm an educated person who doesn't believe in all the nationalistic propaganda you're force fed through the media every day with some rubbish belief about how USA is #1.

Wow. Every time I think that you've already wrote the stupidest thing ever, you go and top that off. First of all, I've never claimed that the US is #1 or any number for that matter. Second, you have no idea what I believe in and what I was force fed with. You make idiotic assumptions, and that makes you, well, an idiot.

Prove. Your. Bullshit.

I have. Remember the time you said Money and Time were the two most important factors in the development of a good game? I called you out for that, and I proved you wrong. You backpaddled by saying that even though Talent was necessary for a good game, Money and Time were the two most important factors in getting a project started. How's that for backpaddling?

First, I said two MOST important. For an educated person, as you claim to be, that would imply that there are other factors. Talent is one of them, which Volourn and I (thanks for the tip about that "I" thing) have already discussed and considered before you joined the discussion. Unfortunately, you took that out of context, and disregarded any previous discussion. Also, you shouldn't say that you proved somebody wrong, unless it was acknowledged by somebody other then yourself.

Anyway, let's look at the exact quotes here:

Talent is necessary of course, but it would be useless without investements to give it creative freedom. Remind me again, who got the Fallout license? Talent or money? Where was talent when Jefferson got shelved? Where is Sir-Tech, the talented studio behind Wizardry and Jagged Alliance? Where is Looking Glass Studio? Why there are money to make all that crap that shelves are filled with, but not for great games? What decides whether a game will be made? Money, not talent. Remember Sea Dogs 2? Well, money figured that Pirates of the Carribean would sell better. Etc, etc, etc.

The answer is still talent. Money doesn't create talent. Talent creates money. You could give a 10 year old a billion dollars to produce a good game, and it still will not happen regardless of how much money you dump into it. That's what happened with Daikatana. Ion Storm definitely had the raw talent, but they did not have talent as a team. No matter how much money Eidos dumped into their money pit, nothing of quality managed to materialize from John Romero's team.

Both are important, talent is wasted without money, and money are wasted without talent, but money rule all. Money decide what game will be made and what features it would have. Money can overrule talent at every turn. That's just how it works. Who decides that TB is a no-go? Money. Who decides that people want another MMORPG? Money. Who decides that generic fantasy is better then sci-fi? Money. Then they unleash talent to do their bidding within set guidelines.

About "talent creates money". These days advertisement and hype create money as much as talent. NWN when it was released was crap. Yet every mag praised it like the second coming of Jesus, and it sold very well. Fallout, Torment, Arcanum didn't do so well despite the talent, they failed to create as much money as BG or Diablo, and that's why we are seeing more of those.

Exit didn't reply to that. Yeah, you like totally proved me wrong there

I simply asked about DA, without LOL. I'm curious about that game, and there was nothing snarky about that question.

It was a snarky comment. Anyone with an IQ of above 120 would know that and call you out for it. Do not take people for imbeciles.

Exit, I don't do snarky. When I attack somebody or something, I do it openly. That was the reason of our many disagreements, was it not?

Derailed? If anything, the thread took on a new course, as many of our threads do.

There is a difference between a thread evolving into something else during a discussion, and a discussion being interrupted by a person who starts a flame war because he disagreed with somebody. I hope you can see that difference.

Have you read Saint's review of KOTOR? If I were you, I wouldn't make so many generalizations especially when they can't be backed up by facts.

You want facts? Ok.

This is the first BioWare game that I've actually completed. Not because it's shorter than the others, but because this game is simply better than their previous ones. There's more to do and it's done better in the areas that actually matter. Sure, I HATE the combat. I definitely HATE the console ported interface. Minigames certainly CHAFE my ass. The inane whining of my followers just tended to PISS ME OFF. But.. There's a lot to do, and there's bunches of ways to do most of it.
....
So, basically, what I'm saying is that while the game has a bunch of faults, it's worth checking out even if you've hated everything done by BioWare so far.

You see, just because something is better then something, doesn't mean it's good.

Your selective reasoning is tiresome. Your argument is that TOEE has a 'strong storyline' because a story is present

You are an idiot. Where did I say that ToEE had a strong storyline? I said "Take ToEE for example, we all say there is no story, although *technically* there is". My point was that a few minor facts (like some story references in ToEE, or some multiple solutions quests in BG) don't change the fact that overall ToEE did NOT have a story and Bio games, in general, do NOT have multiple solutions quests.

That is highly subjective, and considering your affinity for Troika's products, even the most flawed and poorly designed quests would be subjected to the same admiration as any of the quests in Fallout.

Once again, I've never suggested that ToEE guests were even remotely as good as the Fallout's quests. Also, I specifically indicated that I mean the lower level quests, you disregarded that, and proceeded bitching about the higher level quests.

You have tried to claim it by making subtle references to the nature of its non-linearity, as if Fallout is the holy grail of gaming and that Troika is the unfaltering God that does no wrong, but you have been disproven every single time.

Where? Can we some proofs here? Or should I take your word for it? I especially like the "but you have been disproven every single time" bit. One can claim a lot when he doesn't need to back anything up.

As I do not consider saving and reloading to be a part of a game (Fallout), or even a challenge at that, I must say that choosing the pacifist character who does no fighting does not at all fit into the nature of the game nor can it be considered a truly viable method of legitimate gameplay.

Bullshit and you know that. Fallout wasn't about killing stuff after the War, it was about exploring the newly created post-war societies, the new ethics, etc; and not shooting at people fis well in the theme.

Thanks for bringing that up, I'll be sure to give Saint the heads up that you want me banned from the Codex because you don't like the fact that I might have a differing opinion.

You do that, Exitium, and tell Saint that if I ever in a position to make that decision, you are gone, and not because you have a different opinion, but because you *behave* like a fucking idiot (unless it's just a phase and it will pass soon). I remember when you were "normal", when you prefer to argue instead of insultng people you disagree with. It looks like that that was a phase though, or a mask, and now we are dealing with the real you.

 

[Vault Dweller]

In any case, VD is so much more of a USA #1 type of person than some Americans I know. He seems to think that Canada is in bed with the United States whenever it comes to united offensives like the current War in Iraq.

Care to back it up? Some exact quotes maybe? Some links? Anything? In that case, shut the fuck up, child.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

English school? No. It's not my native language, I picked it up in ports when I was a seaman.

Aye mate. Ye be a sea-fairin' lad? Ain't nuthin' more manly than scourin' them seas, rapin' an' plunderin' and a-rapin' some more. It warms this old sea dogs' heart t'know ye be manly 'nuff to use thights an' a parrot in yer shoulder.

 

[Vault Dweller]

And one last thing. I know that many of you feel that stuff like that should be handled via PM and usually I'd agree with you. However, this bullshit, these constant attacks have gone to far now. I won't accept any PM from Exit unless it's an apology one. I want this in the open, I want him to prove to everybody what a fucking idiot he is, I want more people to join this discussion and express their opinions. I want to deal with that now, hopefully once and for all.

 

[Vault Dweller]

English school? No. It's not my native language, I picked it up in ports when I was a seaman.

Aye mate. Ye be a sea-fairin' lad? Ain't nuthin' more manly than scourin' them seas, rapin' an' plunderin' and a-rapin' some more. It warms this old sea dogs' heart t'know ye be manly 'nuff to use thights an' a parrot in yer shoulder.