Commandos-Like Desperados III from Mimimi Productions (Shadow Tactics devs) - now with Money for the Vultures DLC

[Zombra]

Should I play the previous games before?

The original Desperados: Wanted Dead or Alive (2001) is super excellent and still holds up today. Desperados 2 and Helldorado, not so good then or now and sadly are better forgotten.
I don't think it matters whether you play the original or this first though. If you want to play the new one today, go ahead.

 

[Zombra]

Well shit, I wasn't expecting gamebreaking bugs out of the gate.

 

[Darth Roxor]

This... is twice as expensive as Shadow Tictacs was at release. You have to be fucking shitting me.

 

[CyberModuled]

I'm pretty sure Shadow Tactics was $40 on launch so it's more or less a $10 difference here.

Well shit, I wasn't expecting gamebreaking bugs out of the gate.

Nah, that's just the alarm zone toggle. Pressing the default of "V" should fix that.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Then you're pretty wrong, because it was $27 on ZOG, and now it's $50.

 

[CyberModuled]

Then you're pretty wrong, because it was $27 on ZOG, and now it's $50.

Even though Tactics released on the same day on GOG as Steam (December 6th) and considering that game's base price on Steam is also $40 it probably was $40. Unless some regional pricing change happened (or you're just forgetting if you bought it on sale), I doubt Daedalic would increase the base price.

 

[Cyberarmy]

This... is twice as expensive as Shadow Tictacs was at release. You have to be fucking shitting me.

Thrice for my third world country, ironic. I pirated it but probably buy if at a %66-50 sale.
Already finished the game btw, enjoyed it really much but campaign kinda felt easy with all them tools at hand. Baron's challenges and badges seems to be my next stop.

 

[Zombra]

Nah, that's just the alarm zone toggle. Pressing the default of "V" should fix that.

Thank you I just figured this out a minute ago - I remapped some keys and there was an overlap.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Then you're pretty wrong, because it was $27 on ZOG, and now it's $50.

Even though Tactics released on the same day on GOG as Steam (December 6th) and considering that game's base price on Steam is also $40 it probably was $40. Unless some regional pricing change happened (or you're just forgetting if you bought it on sale), I doubt Daedalic would increase the base price.

Negative. I even checked my old post from the ST thread to make sure.

 

[J_C]

Then you're pretty wrong, because it was $27 on ZOG, and now it's $50.

Even though Tactics released on the same day on GOG as Steam (December 6th) and considering that game's base price on Steam is also $40 it probably was $40. Unless some regional pricing change happened (or you're just forgetting if you bought it on sale), I doubt Daedalic would increase the base price.

Negative. I even checked my old post from the ST thread to make sure.

Yep, it was 27 euros. 50 euros is outragous (not for just this game, but any PC game). Thankfully my brother and I share a GOG account, so we split the price. 25 euros for me.

 

[Markman]

How do you poison the whisky barrel in second mission? Ctrl clicking doesnt do shit nor i see any items like poison to pick up besides ammo.
I figured out the other "accidents".

 

[Toffeli]

How do you poison the whisky barrel in second mission? Ctrl clicking doesnt do shit nor i see any items like poison to pick up besides ammo.
I figured out the other "accidents".

On the top floor there's a bottle of laudanum(If remember correctly) on one of the tables. I only discovered it after I had killed the target though and didn't bother loading an earlier save, so I didn't do it personally.

 

[NJClaw]

95% of positive reviews on Steam is impressive, but 50€ is a bit too much for me right now. I need to wait at least for a 50% discount, so I might have to wait for a long time.

 

[Darth Roxor]

oh there's a season pass too



greedy fucks

 

[DemonKing]

Finished Chapter 1 - enjoying it so far - very addictive with some huge sprawling levels already. Characters and voice acting are great - can't pick a favourite yet.

Not much of an evolution from ST so far though. I fear the developers may be one trick ponies if their next release doesn't go in a slightly different direction.

 

[HansDampf]

They have DLC planned?

 

[Ghulgothas]

They have DLC planned?

Apparently.

 

[Zombra]

They have DLC planned?

As Mister Familiar said above. It's three additional missions to be released this year, sold separately and as a bundle. Also, the soundtrack is available as DLC on the store page.

 

[HansDampf]

Guess I'll wait until next year and buy the complete and patched game on sale.

 

[Zombra]

Guess I'll wait until next year and buy the complete and patched game on sale.

Yeah. Preorders got the full game with all DLC - rather a cheap stunt. Oh well. Excellent devs can't always have excellent publishing/marketing departments.

 

[Horvatii]

So, do they have more than 3 guard types by now?

 

[~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T]

Played a few missions last night, it's pretty good. Pretty much just Shadow Tactics: Wild West, but since I loved ST I'm ok with it. One new thing I thought was cool is that on the first night mission you can carry torches around. Ostensibly they are for throwing on pools of oil to burn enemies, but I found they were more useful as a way to get guards to notice lures from far away. It's nice that the systems interact in a way that tools designed for one purpose can be used by a creative player in other useful ways as well.

So, do they have more than 3 guard types by now?

If you consider dogs as a guard type, then there's 4.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Finally finished it on Desperado difficulty.
I'll not play their games again on anything above the normal difficulty. To have 160 enemies per map is beyond retarded. Instead of making actually good AI they instead place enemies that each see each other all over, forcing a very specific route to take on each map. Dick move.
Spending 3 - 3.5 hours per map with the final one all the way to 4.5 hours is getting tiring and annoying very fast.
Very disappointed to see that they took the worst aspect of Commandos 2 and that is the huge amount of enemies in lieu of getting the various mechanics and equipment and options available and improve on them.
Anyway, good game overall. If you liked Shadow Tactics you're gonna love this one as well. Definitely recommend it, but not on Desperado difficulty. At least on Hard, showdown mode will freeze time which will definitely reduce the times you're gonna quickload while being more tactical at the same time.

 

[Zombra]

I mean ... outwitting sophisticated AI has never been what these games are about, it's about using a big tool box to creatively unravel increasingly complex knots of view cones. At least to me. I hope they don't move in the direction you suggest.

 

[Child of Malkav]

And when is it too much? Why stop at 160? Go higher.
One of the reasons I liked Robin Hood over all the other games in this genre is the fact that it gave you some amount of freedom in approach and team member selection before each mission on top of reasonable enemy presence. The game also encouraged pacifism or sparing lives as it had a consequence, if small. The purpose wasn't to cover the maps in red, there were other types of interactions, with civilians for example, some could be helped, others would announce the authorities if they spotted you, some would give you a reward if you helped them earlier in another mission or their relatives. Beggars were a source of information to find loot or resources or plot related information.
Whereas in the other series, the whole objective is to...........clear the map. I don't know, maybe I expected too much.
Thankfully, Partisans 1941 comes closer to what I envision for this genre. Too bad you're playing as the Russians, but hey, win some, lose some.

Edit 1: typos.
Edit 2: Racist? Really? Romanians are not exactly fond of russians, to say the least. History and recent events determines me and others to state the following: Fuck Russia, fuck russians and fuck you for, probably supporting them.