Diablo IV

[KIss My Ass]

Bigger tree and more skills when it’s almost 1:1 copy of D3 skill runes. Nobody gives a shit about build diversity 5 levels after campaign you delusional tool.

You only played the beta. Admit it bitch. I'm calling you out.

 

[Saravan]

Bigger tree and more skills when it’s almost 1:1 copy of D3 skill runes. Nobody gives a shit about build diversity 5 levels after campaign you delusional tool.

You only played the beta. Admit it bitch. I'm calling you out.

Uh yes? I have said that like 15 times what is there to admit, that you are a retard? You have barely played past campaign so what is your point.

 

[abija]

There are not more builds why do you keep repeating this lie. Even casuals complain that sorc is forced into slotting 4 defensive skills at end game content and Barb into 3 shout setup for example.

The reality of hard content, D2 just didn't have anything remotely close.

 

[Saravan]

There are not more builds why do you keep repeating this lie. Even casuals complain that sorc is forced into slotting 4 defensive skills at end game content and Barb into 3 shout setup for example.

The reality of hard content, D2 just didn't have anything remotely close.

Just Barb had frenzy, werewolf, WW, singer, zerker at the top of my head. That’s already 2 more than D4 and they were vastly different from each other unlike in D4 where every build needs 3 shouts to sustain resource. Stop making shit up please.

 

[Yosharian]

There are not more builds why do you keep repeating this lie. Even casuals complain that sorc is forced into slotting 4 defensive skills at end game content and Barb into 3 shout setup for example.

The reality of hard content, D2 just didn't have anything remotely close.

Just Barb had frenzy, werewolf, WW, singer, zerker at the top of my head. That’s already 2 more than D4 and they were vastly different from each other unlike in D4 where every build needs 3 shouts to sustain resource. Stop making shit up please.

Were all those builds viable on release?

 

[Saravan]

There are not more builds why do you keep repeating this lie. Even casuals complain that sorc is forced into slotting 4 defensive skills at end game content and Barb into 3 shout setup for example.

The reality of hard content, D2 just didn't have anything remotely close.

Just Barb had frenzy, werewolf, WW, singer, zerker at the top of my head. That’s already 2 more than D4 and they were vastly different from each other unlike in D4 where every build needs 3 shouts to sustain resource. Stop making shit up please.

Were all those builds viable on release?

First of all nobody made that claim and if you can’t improve upon two iterations of the game at release you have failed pretty hard. It’s also very concerning that the fundamentals are based on D3 in both skills and itemisation.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Bigger tree and more skills when it’s almost 1:1 copy of D3 skill runes. Nobody gives a shit about build diversity 5 levels after campaign you delusional tool.

You only played the beta. Admit it bitch. I'm calling you out.

Uh yes? I have said that like 15 times what is there to admit, that you are a retard? You have barely played past campaign so what is your point.

So you experienced less than 5% of the game. In fact you haven't seen any of it. Beta was the first part of a tutorial. Shut your cocksucker. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Saravan]

Bigger tree and more skills when it’s almost 1:1 copy of D3 skill runes. Nobody gives a shit about build diversity 5 levels after campaign you delusional tool.

You only played the beta. Admit it bitch. I'm calling you out.

Uh yes? I have said that like 15 times what is there to admit, that you are a retard? You have barely played past campaign so what is your point.

So you experienced less than 5% of the game. In fact you haven't seen any of it. Beta was the first part of a tutorial. Shut your cocksucker. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Again it’s possible to learn about everything the game has to offer through watching gameplay vids, reading about items affixes, looking at skills and D4 builder etc if you have ARPG experience. All beta gave me was the feel for moment to moment combat. Not going to pay for a game I can clearly see is copying way too much from D3 which I hated.

If we are going to play this game then you can’t say shit about end game until I see a screenshot of you at +lvl 70 clearing higher tier NMDs at WTR4. You talking about build diversity is worthless when you barely passed the post-campaign mark.

 

[Vic]

most people are casuals they like D4 because of the graphics, atmosphere and build variety during leveling.

 

[ArchAngel]

Big 4 day weekend coming up! I'm going to attempt to play for 96 hours straight. I need to reach endgame. Gonna need a couple coolers full of beer, possibly some drugs like speed to stay awake and a bucket to piss and shit in. I'm going full hardcore gamer starting tomorrow night.

I could see staying up with friends, playing the game, getting drunk and *defecating* in a normal bathroom and/or peeing off a balcony. But is this the way you want your parents to find your corpse? Alone, ass stuck in a bucket, dead for a week, computer on, with an uncleared search history?

I don't have any friends. Don't need none either. Friends just drag you down in life. I'm a true loner, like Clint Eastwood in the Man With No Name trilogy. Diablo 4 is sort of like a friend I guess. Always borrowing money and never paying me back. But it's always there for me, except when I get disconnected or the servers are down.

Can you imagine, if you had friends you would have to share your beer with them! The HORROR!!

 

[KIss My Ass]

I can't replace this lvl 56 staff XD



I found like 4 or 5 sacred staffs that all out level it and they all fall very very very short. It's hilarious at this point. I've wasted so many resources and gold on higher lvl staffs trying to replace this beast and not a single one comes close.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Big 4 day weekend coming up! I'm going to attempt to play for 96 hours straight. I need to reach endgame. Gonna need a couple coolers full of beer, possibly some drugs like speed to stay awake and a bucket to piss and shit in. I'm going full hardcore gamer starting tomorrow night.

I could see staying up with friends, playing the game, getting drunk and *defecating* in a normal bathroom and/or peeing off a balcony. But is this the way you want your parents to find your corpse? Alone, ass stuck in a bucket, dead for a week, computer on, with an uncleared search history?

I don't have any friends. Don't need none either. Friends just drag you down in life. I'm a true loner, like Clint Eastwood in the Man With No Name trilogy. Diablo 4 is sort of like a friend I guess. Always borrowing money and never paying me back. But it's always there for me, except when I get disconnected or the servers are down.

Can you imagine, if you had friends you would have to share your beer with them! The HORROR!!

It's not so much that. It's more that I would have to nerf myself in the social drinking, like hard. I get bored drinking socially because if I drank at my regular speed they would all think I'm nuts, and they would also get more fucked up than me even though they are drinking weaker shit and also drinking much slower. And I hate being around other drunk people. I can't stand being around them. They feel like they have to get close to your face to speak to you and they get touchy. Not gay touchy, more like overly friendly touchy, and I don't like being touched and have a short fuse. It's only okay if it's a decent looking drunk girl, then I'm okay with it.

 

[Grauken]

Big 4 day weekend coming up! I'm going to attempt to play for 96 hours straight. I need to reach endgame. Gonna need a couple coolers full of beer, possibly some drugs like speed to stay awake and a bucket to piss and shit in. I'm going full hardcore gamer starting tomorrow night.

I could see staying up with friends, playing the game, getting drunk and *defecating* in a normal bathroom and/or peeing off a balcony. But is this the way you want your parents to find your corpse? Alone, ass stuck in a bucket, dead for a week, computer on, with an uncleared search history?

I don't have any friends. Don't need none either. Friends just drag you down in life. I'm a true loner, like Clint Eastwood in the Man With No Name trilogy. Diablo 4 is sort of like a friend I guess. Always borrowing money and never paying me back. But it's always there for me, except when I get disconnected or the servers are down.

Can you imagine, if you had friends you would have to share your beer with them! The HORROR!!

It's not so much that. It's more that I would have to nerf myself in the social drinking, like hard. I get bored drinking socially because if I drank at my regular speed they would all think I'm nuts, and they would also get more fucked up than me even though they are drinking weaker shit and also drinking much slower. I hate other drunks. I can't stand being around them.

Weird flex

 

[KIss My Ass]

Not a flex. I just don't feel comfortable being around "normal" drunks.

 

[Grauken]

Not a flex. I just don't feel comfortable being around "normal" drunks.

There are other heavy drinkers, I know some who could easily outdrink you, though most of them are likely dead in a couple of years

 

[Wilian]

One thing I discovered is that the time of day inside the game is tied to real time. Every hour of real time it switches from day to night or vice versa, although you have to reload the overworld map by fast travel/exiting a dungeon/logging in and out to see the change.

Kind of a weird way to do it, but it's yet another consequence of the game not having an offline mode. I would have preferred if you could change the time in-game at the inn or whatever, as the visuals are really nice, and it's best to see them during daytime.

What do you mean? The time of day seems absolutely arbitary. I teleport to one place and day switches to night, 2 teleports later its day again and next teleport is night.

 

[Peachcurl]

One thing I discovered is that the time of day inside the game is tied to real time. Every hour of real time it switches from day to night or vice versa, although you have to reload the overworld map by fast travel/exiting a dungeon/logging in and out to see the change.

Kind of a weird way to do it, but it's yet another consequence of the game not having an offline mode. I would have preferred if you could change the time in-game at the inn or whatever, as the visuals are really nice, and it's best to see them during daytime.

What do you mean? The time of day seems absolutely arbitary. I teleport to one place and day switches to night, 2 teleports later its day again and next teleport is night.

So, obviously, the game even has different time zones!

 

[KIss My Ass]

Feels good to be playing a fun finished game, bros. I didn't even have to give input or ideas to Blizzard. It's almost like they aren't lazy assholes who beg for money and help like Larian.

 

[abija]

Just Barb had frenzy, werewolf, WW, singer, zerker at the top of my head. That’s already 2 more than D4 and they were vastly different from each other unlike in D4 where every build needs 3 shouts to sustain resource. Stop making shit up please.

I don't think you grasp the concept of HARD content. You can mix and match anything that makes sense for normal D4 content (up to monsters 5-10 levels higher than you). You don't need 4 defensives/3 shouts/whatever you think. But I doubt youtubers put up videos with average content. So you are fed with random hype shit.

Yes you can see all the game has to offer by level 25. But you try to extrapolate without any clue. I doubt you actually even tried multiple builds with a barb at 25.

If we are going to play this game then you can’t say shit about end game until I see a screenshot of you at +lvl 70 clearing higher tier NMDs at WTR4.

The reason I understood wrong the first time you wrote something similar, is that what you say there is not the endgame. That's run of the mill, mindlesly blast shit, normal leveling gameplay. You don't actually get it. That's why all the talk about scaling and bricked characters was so retarded. Nightmare dungeons 5-10 levels above you is what pretty much any build with a bit of sense does.

Your ideas of viable builds though, come from hyped shit, trully end game hard content, 25-30+ levels above your char.

 

[Saravan]

Just Barb had frenzy, werewolf, WW, singer, zerker at the top of my head. That’s already 2 more than D4 and they were vastly different from each other unlike in D4 where every build needs 3 shouts to sustain resource. Stop making shit up please.

I don't think you grasp the concept of HARD content. You can mix and match anything that makes sense for normal D4 content (up to monsters 5-10 levels higher than you). You don't need 4 defensives/3 shouts/whatever you think. But I doubt youtubers put up videos with average content. So you are fed with random hype shit.

Yes you can see all the game has to offer by level 25. But you try to extrapolate without any clue. I doubt you actually even tried multiple builds with a barb at 25.

Again you attack with some irrelevant youtuber influencer bullshit, you are only revealing yourself to be a terminally online twitch degenerate. I never base shit out of these sources.

When people discuss depth in build diversity they only refer to end-game content. Every ARPG in existence can provide build diversity to campaign / mid-tier content. It's completely irrelevant to discuss build diversity in this context. In D4:s end-game content the build diversity is abysmal, it's just a matter of fact. If a sorc is pigeonholed into a build with 4 defensive abilities there is not a whole lot of room for customization, same with barb that has to run 3-shout setup to generate enough fury to spam their core skill. That's another thing. In D4, much like D3, all builds are about a select few core skills so by design the pool of builds is already very limited.

I did try several different builds at 25 but that's a pointless comparison because the content is too easy for it to matter. Again, if legitimacy to something is conditional upon having to experienced it personally, then nobody in this clown thread can talk jack shit about builds until all of you provide evidence of you personally having cleared end-game content with for example, a sorc build using only 2 defensive abilities to disprove these issues.

 

[Grauken]

Feels good to be playing a fun finished game, bros. I didn't even have to give input or ideas to Blizzard. It's almost like they aren't lazy assholes who beg for money and help like Larian.

Not really difficult to design a proper skinner box

 

[Vic]

Feels good to be playing a fun finished game, bros. I didn't even have to give input or ideas to Blizzard. It's almost like they aren't lazy assholes who beg for money and help like Larian.

Not really difficult to design a proper skinner box

ok where is your skinner box sherlock

 

[Grauken]

Feels good to be playing a fun finished game, bros. I didn't even have to give input or ideas to Blizzard. It's almost like they aren't lazy assholes who beg for money and help like Larian.

Not really difficult to design a proper skinner box

ok where is your skinner box sherlock

and like a good rat you react to my posts, there's your skinner box

 

[spectre]

Since we

same with barb that has to run 3-shout setup to generate enough fury to spam their core skill.

Barbarians are sadly underdeveloped, with basically two and a half endgame valid builds. It wasn't my favorite class in D2, but I understand where the salt is coming from.
FWIW, The Rend based barbarian doesn't use three shouts.

However, since we're comparing it to D2 (makes sense for me, I'm rather fresh from a full D2R playthrough), Druid and Necro feel really improved compared to D2
with excellent skills, flavor and flexibility (and incidentally have the most variety of builds, with 5 endgame viable, basically one for each key passive).

I did try several different builds at 25 but that's a pointless comparison because the content is too easy for it to matter. Again, if legitimacy to something is conditional upon having to experienced it personally, then nobody in this clown thread can talk jack shit about builds until all of you provide evidence of you personally having cleared end-game content with for example, a sorc build using only 2 defensive abilities to disprove these issues.

You cannot really build anything at level 25 because you don't have access to legendary aspects - legendary items barely drop at that level, I think my characters had one or two.
Some are in dungeons in areas with level requirement of 30-40+.

Also, IIRC the class specialization wasn't in, or wasn't in for all characters, in the betas.

Why are legendary aspects important? They turn meh skills to stuff you can build around.
Let's take Rogue for example. If you want to go ranged, Penetrating Shot underperforms until you get the aspect that turns it to AoE
If you want the melee rogue everyone plays, you need the legendary aspect for twisting blades which can be gotten from a 30+ area in Scogsglen.
Same for Sorcerer. The Aspect for Ice Shards (together with slotting frost bolt in enchant slot which comes from class specialization)
transforms it from a rather poor single target skill to something that melts an entire room in seconds.

And we haven't gotten into building around unique items, which I've only reliably gotten from Helltides thus far, which are 50+ level.

Then there's paragon boards. A lot of it is meh +10% to this and +10% to that, but that's scratching the surface.
Consider Druid with and without anything in the Paragon board. The regular skill tree doesn't give you much in terms of
spirit generation, while there's a dedicated board which lets you expand the spirit pool and stack plenty of spirit on kill effects.
Couple it with the percentage bonuses you get from stats and the regular skill tree and it basically solves any issues with resource generation
you may have had up to this point.

 

[KIss My Ass]

spectre needs to post more. That dude knows how to clown on these beta fools like no other.