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Yeah, that's Lilith and she's a bit rough.
You mean the final boss is rough, or the entire dungeon?
 

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Not if they watch gameplay from SDG.
Not sure if this is supposed to be a compliment or an insult. I'm crushing Strongholds in WT3 with abysmal gear right now. Almost none of my gear is fully upgraded and I have yet to socket or import aspects into most of it. Been too short on resources.
So you finally lucked out into a good build in arpg for casuals. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 

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Yeah I doubt I'll keep playing after I'm done with S1. The other characters just seem boring compared to the Rogue. I might mess around with the Sorc some more if she ever becomes viable. But there are going to have to be massive changes made to keep me playing long term. I mean like expansion sized changes.
Sorc is stronger than your rogue
Hm, I never took you for a liar. You're full of shit. The entire D4 community will take my side on that.
 

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WT4 is rapidly becoming a cakewalk

Do high tier ancestral nightmare dungeons if you need more challenge. And you could also try a new class.

The other characters just seem boring compared to the Rogue

Bullshit. How the hell are Barbarian and Necro boring? If anything is boring it's the lame ass armor design for the Rogue (the ugliest class armor-wise).

Yeah, that's Lilith and she's a bit rough.
You mean the final boss is rough, or the entire dungeon?

The dungeon where you fight Echo of Lilith only has here in there. And there's no guarantee that you'll be able to beat her even with 95+ char. She does insane damage.
 

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Do high tier nightmare dungeons if you need more challenge.
I have a few of them, but haven't unlocked the ability to craft higher tier ones yet. I assumed it unlocks at level 70 at the occultist?

And you could also try a new class.
If I cuck out and do the seasonal bullshit with a new char, is there at least an option to skip not only the campaign but also the side stuff, and go straight to the new content? Really don't feel like redoing the same sidequests/dungeons all over again.
 

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The other characters just seem boring compared to the Rogue
Bullshit. How the hell are Barbarian and Necro boring? If anything is boring it's the lame ass armor design for the Rogue (the ugliest class armor-wise).

They are the same as they've always been. If you played as them in D2 then you already know how they play in 3 & 4.

Also my Rogue's armor looks dope and I didn't pay for any of it.
 

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If I cuck out and do the seasonal bullshit with a new char, is there at least an option to skip not only the campaign but also the side stuff, and go straight to the new content? Really don't feel like redoing the same sidequests/dungeons all over again

You will have to do SOME of the stuff again, but it's not that bad. From the get go you will have enough to grab the first 2 rewards from all regions. They also raised the renown you get per sidequest from 20 to 30 and dungeons from 30 to 40. So, you will be able to get all 5 rewards from each region by doing around 3 strongholds + 30-40% sidequests + 30-40% dungeons, per region.
 

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I assumed it unlocks at level 70 at the occultist?
I think I got it at 60? Check your quests. NMD are the only high level content worth doing since they nerfed all the other leveling options + it levels up your glyphs. Glyph levels affect the underlying bonuses (e.g. increase damage to chilled targets per 5 intelligence), not just boost the radius, so it's worth it.

How the hell are Barbarian and Necro boring?
Barb is p. fun as long as you don't use Whirlwind, the most boringest move ever. No spinning meat ballerina for me.

I found Necro has a rather minimal active moveset, and is the most single-skill spam class in the game. Effective, though, for sure.
 

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Rogue in D4 is the fucking GOAT Diablo class. And I don't think it's a coincidence that she's the only class from the OG Diablo to return as a playable character. Blizzard knew they had to make her special and by god they did.
 

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If anything is boring it's the lame ass armor design for the Rogue (the ugliest class armor-wise).
I think Druid takes the cake on this one, although somewhat redeemed by the head armor transmog you get from PvP which looks like a hannibal lecter mask.

Speaking of design, I actually laughed out loud when I saw one of the bow models looking like an unstrung mongol bow.
Also, if you look closely at the chainmail on some armor sets, it looks like corrugated plate they use in industrial installations.

How the hell are Barbarian and Necro boring?
Barb is p. fun as long as you don't use Whirlwind, the most boringest move ever. No spinning meat ballerina for me.

I found Necro has a rather minimal active moveset, and is the most single-skill spam class in the game. Effective, though, for sure.
I always roll my eyes on the whirlwind. In all the fucking games it looks like they're trying to do a hammer throw without ever letting go.
Barbarian didn't click with me and is still on my todo list as a class with lowest level.

Yeah, with Necro you tend to spam corpse explosion a lot if you use it, but the preferred approach seems to be to hoard mana and unleash a single, powerful attack every now and then.
I don't particularly like minions and curses, because of the extreme visual clutter they produce. It's really hard to see whatever the fuck is going on.

I actually started the season with a fresh necro, could be an early game impression, but the skills are mostly - same shit, different damage type,
with only a few of them standing out (reap for basic skills and bone spear for core). And then, there's just a whole lot of nothing until you reach Corpse Tendrils.
Normally not a problem if you're focusing on summons, but becomes glaring if you sacrifice them from the start.

Also, golems look like ass, there I said it. They should release some cosmetics for them and would probably make millions.
 

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What exactly did I min max? And do you actually think that boss is easier at 30 than at 53?

*You pussied out by not hitting the boss in the face and running around like a headless chicken.
 
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What exactly did I min max? And do you actually think that boss is easier at 30 than at 53?

*You pussied out by not hitting the boss in the face and running around like a headless chicken.
Lol, okay ass, when I get home from work tonight I'll show you what gear I currently have equipped in WT3, then you'll understand why I was evading and running around alot. It's called playing smart. And the fact that your Sorc was able to face tank him proves you're a min-maxing asshole. That wouldn't be possible otherwise.
 

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The only reason my Rogue is a bitch right now is because I don't have the time to get her where she needs to be during the week. I can only spend around 3 hours a night playing. Not nearly enough time to get the materials, gold, and renown I need to beef her up so she's currently underpowered af. I should have enough time to turn that around this weekend.
 

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Why would one not want to min-max in Diablo? The entire point of the game is to maximize what your character is good at and minimize what he's not, to more efficiently kill the thousands of things you click thousands of times on.

I mean it's not like there's any actual roleplaying going on...
 

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And the fact that your Sorc was able to face tank him proves you're a min-maxing asshole. That wouldn't be possible otherwise

How the hell do you min-max at Lv.30? Copying a super effective build effects your performance in substantial fashion first later on.

Why would one not want to min-max in Diablo?

Usually, 'min-maxing' in Diablo-like games refers to copying a build online that's considered very effective, rather than balance the effectiveness and fun factor of your char as you play.
 

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Why would one not want to min-max in Diablo? The entire point of the game is to maximize what your character is good at and minimize what he's not, to more efficiently kill the thousands of things you click thousands of times on.

I mean it's not like there's any actual roleplaying going on...
Go back to the BG3 thread, old man. And there's a difference between being efficient and looking up youtube videos on how to make your character as powerful as humanly possible.
 

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And the fact that your Sorc was able to face tank him proves you're a min-maxing asshole. That wouldn't be possible otherwise

How the hell do you min-max at Lv.30? Copying a super effective build effects your performance in substantial fashion first later on.
He's cheating somehow. Also he fought the boss while it was capped at 30 like a bitch, instead of fighting it while it was scaled two lvls higher like it's supposed to be. Either way there is no way in hell a Sorc can face tank that boss unless they already buffed the shit out of her.
 

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On second thought, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt being that this obviously isn't his first character and he's experienced with the game's systems. I wasn't when I first fought him with my Sorc, so sure, it's probably possible if you know what you're doing.

Doesn't take away the fact that he fought it while it was capped at 30. Very cowardly move.
 

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Either way there is no way in hell a Sorc can face tank that boss unless they already buffed the shit out of her

My Sorc has face tanked every stronghold boss with ease so far. And I've never gone below 7 pots against any of them. They're a joke compared to capstone bosses.
 

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