Diablo IV

[ArchAngel]

Ok, I've finally finished the campaign and it was fun. It plays more like a standard RPG than aRPG.
They did fuck up with Donan's death, otherwise other main plot points were OK. They even learned from shitty D3 and didn't put young girl as main character..
I like how characters notice how you are able to defeat lesser evils and consider you as plan B vs Lilith. Still nobody tries to explain why you are able to. I guess we will need to stick with Nephilim explanation from D3 or maybe due to multiple Mephisto blessings you receive during the game. I hope in expansion he takes them away and you need to promise your head to the Tree of Whispers to gain new power.

I've done a bunch of sidequests, read stuff in the game, immersed myself in world building part and it is good for such a game. There is a bunch of multipart quests with characters, it is only missing choice and consequence parts and this could be a full blown RPG. There is a lot of attention to details here and VA is between decent and good.
As far as single player campaign part goes this is best one out of all Diablo likes since Diablo 1.

Gameplay is something else. The whole gather resource, spend resource gameplay is irritating. Using skills that are off cooldown and spender skills feels good but then you run out of everything and stuff is on cooldown and you run around for 5+ s only having basic attack that is pathetic even vs standard enemies.. I've kitted myself in legendaries, got access to paragon board and started dabbling in season 3 content but I am still dependant on two cooldown based skills to fill my Spirit to not run out of it during combat just to avoid using basic skill to fill Spirit.
As a result character building is suffering, I am basically forced to use these skills instead of experimenting with other more fun combinations..

As for endgame, I am yet to try it for real. I've reached WT3, got a sacred weapon so my DPS is now comparable and tried super buggy ToW quest and a bit of season content and done a few Helltides. Helltides seem most fun but not sure how long that will last.
I am yet to try Nightmare Dungeons, I expect that is like normal ones but harder.
Funny shit, fights against Elite packs in D4 are often what PoE devs wanted but were never able to do. You cannot kill them in few seconds and you need to dodge and sometimes even take out healers or other support units first but also they do not take you out fast if they are able to hit you. And you also do not find yourself not being able to kill one because it spawned with fire resist and regeneration on map with mod that blocks ignites 65% of the time on your ignite build..

Compared to lets say D2 I do not have an urge to make at least one character per class to try them all out, mostly because I know all of them play the same. You run out of main resource and need to use same weak basic attack and your are dependant on long cooldowns. Camera is too low for all characters and there is no real ranged play, in the end I expect they are all same characters but shoot different colored skills.

So far I would give the game 8/10 but as RPG parts are basically done and only weak aRPG parts are left I expect the score to drop.

 

[abija]

They don't play the same. There aren't enough skills so you get done quite fast with each class, but the classes are quite distinctive in how they play. Considering all your complaints if you tried a melee rogue and compared it with your druid experience you would get quite mad :D

 

[Hell Swarm]

How long does the main campaign take and how much grinding can you expect from the loot drops to get enough equipment to beat the last boss reasonably

 

[Socrates]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

 

[motherfucker]

How long does the main campaign take and how much grinding can you expect from the loot drops to get enough equipment to beat the last boss reasonably

Campaign takes 20-ish hours I would say? then you gotta grind renown for bonuses(do sidequests and such). No grinding required, you can beat the campaign using whatever you find along the way. Grinding and actual challenge are in the endgame.

 

[ArchAngel]

How long does the main campaign take and how much grinding can you expect from the loot drops to get enough equipment to beat the last boss reasonably

Campaign takes 20-ish hours I would say? then you gotta grind renown for bonuses(do sidequests and such). No grinding required, you can beat the campaign using whatever you find along the way. Grinding and actual challenge are in the endgame.

On World Tier 1 you can do whatever, on WT2 you will need to have a build and at least some attempt at having decent items (at least get some legendary affixes that help your skills).

 

[ArchAngel]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

 

[ArchAngel]

I've gotten to lvl66 now in WT3, trying everything game has to offer (even PvP zones but without other players :D). "Endgame" is goal-less and pointless unless you just want to get to 100. This is almost worse than Last Epoch where it also felt kind of pointless but also maps are worse than D4 ones.
Maybe only goal I could set myself is get my character to not need basic attack to fill spirit.. and I got a paragon board that gives me extra spirit and recovery and legendary affixes that give extra spirit recovery but nothing helps.
From guides there are unique items that help with it but cba to farm for that shit to beat this terrible design.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

D4 campaign is terrible. In most quests half the time you are just going to the quest objective that is in random place without any structure. What I mean is starting at town then you are sent to a place at the corner of the map, then you need to interact with something and go to another location that is on the opposite side of the region (later quests are even ping-ponging you around different zones too). You also don't really want to kill anything along the way as level scaling makes it pointless to do. Another terrible aspect is scripted unskippable dialog that drags too long.

 

[ArchAngel]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

D4 campaign is terrible. In most quests half the time you are just going to the quest objective that is in random place without any structure. What I mean is starting at town then you are sent to a place at the corner of the map, then you need to interact with something and go to another location that is on the opposite side of the region (later quests are even ping-ponging you around different zones too). You also don't really want to kill anything along the way as level scaling makes it pointless to do. Another terrible aspect is scripted unskippable dialog that drags too long.

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

I would be kind of like playing C&C games campaign as practice for MP afterwards. So you skip all movie parts and complain about all missions with no base as those do not exist in MP later.

 

[Socrates]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

Imagine simping for one of the most unlikeable and shitty businesses in the industry. Keep it up!

 

[ArchAngel]

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

Imagine simping for one of the most unlikeable and shitty businesses in the industry. Keep it up!

Which one is that? PoE? D4? aRPGs in general?

 

[Socrates]

Literally anything blizzard touches turns to shit dude.

 

[motherfucker]

You also don't really want to kill anything along the way as level scaling makes it pointless to do.

Bro what? During the campaign, areas are set to a certain level so if you don't level you'll eventually start getting your shit kicked in. You never played past the first two acts, did you?

 

[ArchAngel]

Literally anything blizzard touches turns to shit dude.

Recently yes. Starcraft 2 was their last good game. D2 Remastered also is decent but that one was made by outside studio.
But D4 is way less shit than D3 and I am only playing it because it came to Gamepass.
And it is still better than LE. Hopefully POE2 delivers, until then I might try D4 season 4 (I want to try summoner Druid, season 4 is supposed to have buffs for minions) and that new aRPG with more souls like combat that is coming.

 

[Socrates]

Recently? I'd argue anything past WotLK has been a slow and steady decline.

 

[ArchAngel]

Recently? I'd argue anything past WotLK has been a slow and steady decline.

I've never played WoW, that was already decline of Blizzard in my eyes moving to MMORPGs.

 

[motherfucker]

D2 Remastered also is decent

D2 remastered was atrocious technically, ridiculous load times(m2 SSD and all that) and FPS roughly equal to that of D4. Biggest disservice to the game that could have been outside of fucking with mechanics/content.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

You also don't really want to kill anything along the way as level scaling makes it pointless to do.

Bro what? During the campaign, areas are set to a certain level so if you don't level you'll eventually start getting your shit kicked in. You never played past the first two acts, did you?

You need to finish the campaign to unlock tier 3 anyway and that needs lvl50, so I ignored 90% of side quests, did the aspect dungeons and ran thru most mobs and still ended lvl52 at the end.(and that was after they locked wt3 to lvl 50). There is zero incentive to level while traveling to quest objectives.

Just play path of exile (it's better)

I have.. since closed beta. I've played it too much. Campaign is still worse in PoE. But during endgame you feel like you have a goal better than what D4 does.

D4 campaign is terrible. In most quests half the time you are just going to the quest objective that is in random place without any structure. What I mean is starting at town then you are sent to a place at the corner of the map, then you need to interact with something and go to another location that is on the opposite side of the region (later quests are even ping-ponging you around different zones too). You also don't really want to kill anything along the way as level scaling makes it pointless to do. Another terrible aspect is scripted unskippable dialog that drags too long.

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

I would be kind of like playing C&C games campaign as practice for MP afterwards. So you skip all movie parts and complain about all missions with no base as those do not exist in MP later.

Except C&C story and fmvs are entertaining, while Diablo 4 ones are insanely bland and boring.

 

[mediocrepoet]

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

This is some kind of bizarro world shit take.

"The reason everyone else thinks D4 sucks ass is that it's 2RPG4U! "

Are you high?

 

[ArchAngel]

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

This is some kind of bizarro world shit take.

"The reason everyone else thinks D4 sucks ass is that it's 2RPG4U! "

Are you high?

Everyone thinks is sucks ass because of lack of proper endgame and too casual character building systems, at least those are most of the reasons I read about. And I agree with those.

 

[mediocrepoet]

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

This is some kind of bizarro world shit take.

"The reason everyone else thinks D4 sucks ass is that it's 2RPG4U! "

Are you high?

Everyone thinks is sucks ass because of lack of proper endgame and too casual character building systems, at least those are most of the reasons I read about. And I agree with those.

I've seen a variety of comments about how the campaign and campaign ending sucks too. I agree with those. I don't even know how anyone can be bothered with endgame given how boring the entire gameplay loop is tbh.

 

[ArchAngel]

That depends if you are playing it as a RPG with cool cinematics and passable conversations or you are playing it as a Diablo like where all you want to do it finish and level up so you can play endgame.
By your comments you were playing it as 2nd options when it is designed to be played as 1st one.

This is some kind of bizarro world shit take.

"The reason everyone else thinks D4 sucks ass is that it's 2RPG4U! "

Are you high?

Everyone thinks is sucks ass because of lack of proper endgame and too casual character building systems, at least those are most of the reasons I read about. And I agree with those.

I've seen a variety of comments about how the campaign and campaign ending sucks too. I agree with those. I don't even know how anyone can get be bothered with endgame given how boring the entire gameplay loop is tbh.

Gameplay loop does suck unless you can minimize using basic attacks.
I just need one of two uniques and at least for druid I can make gameplay loop fun.

 

[Konjad]

-50% just half a year after release on Steam

 

[covr]

There's supposed to be some big update in May - any chance to make this game better? I have not played it, but might check in in a month or two. I am not interested in MMO shenanigans, just pure single player campaign experience. Is the game better now vs at release?