Disco Elysium spoilery thread

[Prime Junta]

I understand that in murder-mysteries the suspects is often revealed to be an someone unlikable, but wasn't making him an insane black, racist, communist incel a bit too much?

You forgot boomer.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

I understand that in murder-mysteries the suspects is often revealed to be an someone unlikable, but wasn't making him an insane black, racist, communist incel a bit too much?

You forgot boomer.

Ok, communist.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I've read through the thread so a few thoughts regarding the subject:
-The ending sequence and not being able to get on the island earlier. The main problem is that there is no reason to not get to the island before the Ruby thread is not resolved. IMO it would be better if player was allowed to get to the island and explore it earlier in the game if he passes the relevant Visual Calculus checks, but they should need something found either in Ruby tent or with the mercs to actually find him. For example: the island bunker doors need to be blown-up and explosives are in the bunker Ruby was hiding, right next to her tent.
I don't think that there should be an option to stop the Tribunal since then it would probably not happen for majority of the players, since preventing it would be #1 goal of everyone.
It would feel more natural if the tribunal started as a result of Ruby getting away/killing herself rather than an unrelated event.
-Kim probably survives the ending no matter what because there is a DLC/sequel planned and he needs to be there.
-The game has the same problem Telltele games have where nothing that's supposed to have serious consequences has any consequences. Time passage doesn't matter in the end. Kim warns you that working for the union boss is a very bad idea, but only thing is does is gets you chewed by your squad at the end. But since you have to actively try to fuck-up to not get reinstated it doesn't really matter if you do. It would be better if there either were some consequences or they didn't bother with the warnings.

 

[Optimist]

what is this about mom joke?

Kasparov was, for the longest time, rather fond of the 'your mom' joke.

 

[lobsterfrogman]

I really disliked the ending - both the phantasmid and the fact that the murderer is someone completely off on some secluded island that you get to once you do all fetching. It would be much more fitting if it was someone with whom the player already met and conversed.

This way it's just cheap and derp. OH NO MURDERER WAS SITTING ALL THE TIME ON SOME FUCKING ISLAND NO ONE EVER WENT TO AND KILLED FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON EXCEPT BEING INANE.

Or, if you understand it the other way, IT WAS FANTASY MONSTER ALL ALONG, MAGIC HAPPEND OH NO.

This ending is weak if you think of the game as a detective story. If you think of it as a personal Harry's story it is very fitting. The deserter is like a mirror and a cautionary tale for the MC. Harry is unhappy because he can't let go of a failed relationship from a few years ago; Martinaise was in danger because one man couldn't let go of a failed revolution from 50 years ago. Deserter is like a future version of Harry cracked up to eleven.

 

[Niareh]

Finished this game yesterday. Definitely the best RPG I have played in a while. I had a LOT of questions:

1) People here are talking about the world being faced with imminent doom. The Pale seems like some natural event like the heat death of our universe. Is it hinted somewhere that it will consume the world sooner and say not in a million years?

2) I also got the "Cop captain planning a revolt" message at the end. Does he always consider Harry a man of the people even if say you are a Moralist, ultraliberal who is pro coalition? The revolt seemed like the biggest sequel hook to me.

3) Is there any plot reward for being sober? Also Kim knew about me trying the radioactive drug even though I took it once he had gone to sleep which was weird.

4) Someone mentioned Harry's profession is determined by our stats? Is that really the case as I was told I was a gym teacher with 1 Phys (I still punched and spin kicked Meathead by using items, thoughts and alcohol tho).

5) Also, are the reactions of people in your tribunal affected by your persona. My team seemed pretty pro-communism and dismissed Dora as a bourgeois woman (I was very commie).

6) Harry definitely has supernatural abilities right? So many of his guesses and insights are just unreasonably accurate. I think he has some connection with the pale which gives him his mental abilities.

7) Why do people think the game doesn't take a side? Even if it mocks all sides, the game felt most sympathetic towards communism (but that might be because I am a commie too). I would agree that giving the choice for you to do things that the game devs might deeply disagree with made the game a lot more satisfying (someone should tell Bioware about this).

I loved the game but I have to say I don't feel like playing it again because I feel I saw every possible thing (the only thing I didn't was the nuke but that is probably because I didn't have the needed reaction speed at the time). I started with 5/3/1/3 character. I might try playing again to partner with Cuno but I don't have the heart to let Kim get shot. (I also don't feel like playing as a fascist who completely fucks up). The time limit is pretty useless considering you can never go past 2 am. I did most of the fishing village, church and nightclub stuff in a single night.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Finished this game yesterday. Definitely the best RPG I have played in a while. I had a LOT of questions:

1) People here are talking about the world being faced with imminent doom. The Pale seems like some natural event like the heat death of our universe. Is it hinted somewhere that it will consume the world sooner and say not in a million years?

I can't stop thinking about that nuclear blast wiping out Revachol in 20 years.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

don't remember if I posted here pic of Hiroo Onoda, the real life inspiration for the endgame guy who solely continued WW2 until 1974.

 

[JarlFrank]

2) That's entirely on you. As a fascist/liberal cop I didn't even get a passing mention of the revolt.

As a fascist/liberal cop I still got the police captain mentioning Harry duBois is a trustworthy guy who'll do the right thing. It's one of those "visions" you can get at the end if you have high enough Esprit de Corps skill.

 

[axedice]

Finished this game yesterday. Definitely the best RPG I have played in a while. I had a LOT of questions:

1) People here are talking about the world being faced with imminent doom. The Pale seems like some natural event like the heat death of our universe. Is it hinted somewhere that it will consume the world sooner and say not in a million years?

According to the phasmid, human consciousness has spawned the pale and recent human development has only hastened it. So it makes sense that the "doom" is approaching faster than heat death or any other cosmic occurence.

As for communicating with the city's genious loci, I remember reading a comment about how Kurvitz's book (Sacred and Horrible Scent) described the atomic explosion in Revachol as a past event. If true, this means the explosion is canon, quite possibly as a result of the hinted uprising but I don't see how it is connected with the pale-ocalypse. We'll know for sure about this once the book is published in English (or some brave Estonian gives us a summary).

2) I also got the "Cop captain planning a revolt" message at the end. Does he always consider Harry a man of the people even if say you are a Moralist, ultraliberal who is pro coalition? The revolt seemed like the biggest sequel hook to me.

I also got this with high esprit IIRC, but I haven't played with a full blown capitalist. Dont think it changes though, its more about Harry's core personality and caring nature in the past. He started out as a gym teacher but became a police officer to make a difference.

3) Is there any plot reward for being sober? Also Kim knew about me trying the radioactive drug even though I took it once he had gone to sleep which was weird.

Game's gonna game. Kim does mention your sobriety though.

4) Someone mentioned Harry's profession is determined by our stats? Is that really the case as I was told I was a gym teacher with 1 Phys (I still punched and spin kicked Meathead by using items, thoughts and alcohol tho).

Nah gym teacher is cannon.

5) Also, are the reactions of people in your tribunal affected by your persona. My team seemed pretty pro-communism and dismissed Dora as a bourgeois woman (I was very commie).

I think this part is standart as well. I wasn't that commie and got the same lines.

6) Harry definitely has supernatural abilities right? So many of his guesses and insights are just unreasonably accurate. I think he has some connection with the pale which gives him his mental abilities.

I think Harry's insights are simply good cop instincts. I also don't see how past Harry could've interacted with the pale other than the theoritical, we don't see anything in past case files IIRC and something like that would surely have been mentioned. He has no more superpowers than Kim, he just has a more colorful persona.

7) Why do people think the game doesn't take a side? Even if it mocks all sides, the game felt most sympathetic towards communism (but that might be because I am a commie too). I would agree that giving the choice for you to do things that the game devs might deeply disagree with made the game a lot more satisfying (someone should tell Bioware about this).

My take is that the game comments on a failed communist revolution that didn't last long enough to be corrupted. If you don't purge your former allies or starve millions to death, communism has a lot of selling points.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

According to the phasmid

most reliable speaker ever

quite possibly as a result of the hinted uprising but I don't see how it is connected with the pale-ocalypse

like, nuke it from the orbit?

Harry definitely has supernatural abilities right? So many of his guesses and insights are just unreasonably accurate. I think he has some connection with the pale which gives him his mental abilities.

He is not fucking Potter, he is just Harry.

Spoiler

Or is he?

 

[Haba]

6) Harry definitely has supernatural abilities right? So many of his guesses and insights are just unreasonably accurate. I think he has some connection with the pale which gives him his mental abilities.

I think Harry's insights are simply good cop instincts. I also don't see how past Harry could've interacted with the pale other than the theoritical, we don't see anything in past case files IIRC and something like that would surely have been mentioned. He has no more superpowers than Kim, he just has a more colorful persona.

Game does hint at this, but it is up to interpretation. Look at it this way: why does Kim try to keep you away from the Palerider? Pity for the poor old woman or something else? What does it mean when someone who is way beyond the safe pale exposure level comments that Harry is insane?

Reasonable doubt, as there should be.

 

[hello friend]

Nah man Harry does the Mambo AND the Jambo, real is real.

 

[JarlFrank]

I also got this with high esprit IIRC, but I haven't played with a full blown capitalist. Dont think it changes though, its more about Harry's core personality and caring nature in the past. He started out as a gym teacher but became a police officer to make a difference.

All of the political opinions Harry can adopt are pretty pro-Revacholian independence. Except for moralist-centrism, which is mostly about not having an opinion at all (which would also not stand in the way of Harry supporting an independence movement).

 

[axedice]

According to the phasmid

most reliable speaker ever

I think the Phasmid's "speech" in the end was the writers dropping some heavy lore bombs. Inland Empire is as reliable as a narrator can get in the game and considering the amount of lore and details given in the conversation (such as the 4.000 year old civilization - a 16 encyclopedia hidden check) , I think most of it, if not all are true.

quite possibly as a result of the hinted uprising but I don't see how it is connected with the pale-ocalypse

like, nuke it from the orbit?

Thats what I also thought when I first had that encounter. To battle the pale expansion, humans are nuking outbursts with the most lethal weapon they can find. The stupidity of the idea really hits home. But after the hint about the revolution I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe it'll target both?

 

[Daidre]

To battle the pale expansion, humans are nuking outbursts with the most lethal weapon they can find. The stupidity of the idea really hits home.

With Pale being "sink" of humanity's discarded thoughts and feelings nuking all humans around potential "weak" spot of reality is not a such stupid idea, when I think about it.

 

[toro]

I understand that in murder-mysteries the suspects is often revealed to be an someone unlikable, but wasn't making him an insane black, racist, communist incel a bit too much?

The real villain is the phasmid.

 

[toro]

I really disliked the ending - both the phantasmid and the fact that the murderer is someone completely off on some secluded island that you get to once you do all fetching. It would be much more fitting if it was someone with whom the player already met and conversed.

This way it's just cheap and derp. OH NO MURDERER WAS SITTING ALL THE TIME ON SOME FUCKING ISLAND NO ONE EVER WENT TO AND KILLED FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON EXCEPT BEING INANE.

Or, if you understand it the other way, IT WAS FANTASY MONSTER ALL ALONG, MAGIC HAPPEND OH NO.

Agree 100%.

However this echo chamber is deaf to criticism.

 

[Twiglard]

Is there any plot reward for being sober?

Not being a bad person.

spin kicked Meathead by using items, thoughts and alcohol

Reminds me of that Mr. Robot episode. Drugging an addict.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I understand that in murder-mysteries the suspects is often revealed to be an someone unlikable, but wasn't making him an insane black, racist, communist incel a bit too much?

The real villain is the phasmid.

But of all the creatures you met he was the kindest.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I really disliked the ending - both the phantasmid and the fact that the murderer is someone completely off on some secluded island that you get to once you do all fetching. It would be much more fitting if it was someone with whom the player already met and conversed.

This way it's just cheap and derp. OH NO MURDERER WAS SITTING ALL THE TIME ON SOME FUCKING ISLAND NO ONE EVER WENT TO AND KILLED FOR NO GOOD FUCKING REASON EXCEPT BEING INANE.

Or, if you understand it the other way, IT WAS FANTASY MONSTER ALL ALONG, MAGIC HAPPEND OH NO.

The game can be faulted for arbitrarily barring the player from traveling to the island until after the "tribunal", but clues pointing to the murderer can be found from the start of the game, if you determine that the hanged man was actually the victim of communism (and love).

 

[Prime Junta]

The game can be faulted for arbitrarily barring the player from traveling to the island until after the "tribunal", but clues pointing to the murderer can be found from the start of the game, if you determine that the hanged man was actually the victim of communism (and love).

There's more, too. The footprints in the secret room for example, they don't fit any of the known suspects. The game is hinting that there is an unknown factor at work here.

 

[Niareh]

The game can be faulted for arbitrarily barring the player from traveling to the island until after the "tribunal", but clues pointing to the murderer can be found from the start of the game, if you determine that the hanged man was actually the victim of communism (and love).

I think the lines of you shitting on communism in the linked images are there because you shat on communism enough in earlier dialogue. For example, I could only salute and pay respects to the portrait of Kras Mazov. I also think I didn't get the demise of our noble state line with the cleaning lady (but I am not sure about that one). So they can't be taken as evidence of the game hinting towards the culprit. The inland empire conversation about love and communism are though.

 

[Niareh]

Is there any plot reward for being sober?

Not being a bad person.

spin kicked Meathead by using items, thoughts and alcohol

Reminds me of that Mr. Robot episode. Drugging an addict.

I mostly did these things for the exp reward so I tried alcohol once, cigarettes once, and the radioactive drug once (I felt doing speed might be going too far). I thought there would be a soft barrier beyond which not being sober would have catastrophic effects. I did regret doing any of this during the seaside date though. Harry just needs to find a working class woman and forget about Dora
Maybe ZA/UM could try courting the mainstream Bioware crowd by adding romance mechanics in their next game (I kid).

 

[Elex]

The game can be faulted for arbitrarily barring the player from traveling to the island until after the "tribunal", but clues pointing to the murderer can be found from the start of the game, if you determine that the hanged man was actually the victim of communism (and love).

There's more, too. The footprints in the secret room for example, they don't fit any of the known suspects. The game is hinting that there is an unknown factor at work here.

also the shoot nobody hear the shoot.