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[Van-d-all]

It's just the bluntness and the stupidity of the propaganda, and the eccentricity with which infantile examples are presented as "DEEP THOUGHTS" was wow. Just fucking wow.

This is about the only thing I agree with. While yes, she actually does come across as not following the writing guide, now that you mention it, there's plenty of characters in the game that can and will argue for various things. If anything, I think that she's one of the better examples precisely because her arguments/statements are exactly the kind of arguments you'd hear from an actual entry-level market liberal with a successful business.

If you want to discuss "bluntness and stupidity of the propaganda", let's discuss how every would-be "fascist" is an absurd caricature, and how every response in support of Fascism is either equally absurd ("Ok, I'm down with some racism lmao"/"Lmao foreigners bad, 'kay?"), not indicative of Fascism at all (basically any response supporting traditional values, conservatism, imperialism, racism, etc. contributes to Fascism), or - surprise surprise - doesn't contribute to Fascism at all (such as the actually very principially Fascist/authoritarian-hierarchial statement that the leaders have a responsibility to care for their people, which contributes to... communism, hah, bamboozled ha-ha so funny).

The political aspects of the game may be wide as an ocean but shallow as a puddle, but when it comes to the character you're referring to, it's actually not bad. She, along with the two old men (the imperial/royalist soldier & the journo coat-turning pinko), actually stand out as some of the better written ones, because while they argue/state very different points in very different ways, they're not caricatures, as opposed to, say, the racist lorry-driver, Measurehead, or the countless responses you can make.

As a side note, I wonder if it'd felt less jarring if they'd just called it Socialist/Jingoist/Libertarian/Moralist instead of Communist/Fascist/Hyperliberalist/Moralist. It would've meant a lot more flexibility of interpretation.

It seems to me you completely missed their point. The political views, dialogues and points are all completely exaggerated, but of course fascist ones cause the most butthurt, as usual. While I don't like it that all politics are "for lulz", because I was hoping for a major political shitstorm around the game, and personally I think it's a damn shame they lacked balls to pull it off in the end, but I still find it hard not to notice what was their goal.

As for dicemaker, she has volumes of dialogue, but most of it is just explanation of why the various venues went belly up, which pretty much serves as a caricature of modern startups. She's hardly entry level liberal, as she clearly states she's keeping up simply because she has a dedicated niche audience that let's her stay afloat, and your PSY skills give even more insight into this. The bar is given as successful example several times as well. This whole quest is pretty much just another Harry vs. Reality kind of thing, where's pretty much just like Anette or Joyce, she gives stoic lengthy explanations to your ridiculous questions.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Is the whole church quest part of the "Fortress Accident" red herring? If yes, I'd leave it for another playthrough, because I feel I'm wasting too much time and things will blow up after day 4.

Don’t worry about running out of time.

Edit: Really, IHaveHugeNick, on my most extensive run I made it to day 6 before triggering the endgame without running out of time. Things do not blow up after day 4.

I got side-tracked exploring too much on the waterside and game threw me straight into tribunal without even doing Evrart/Joyce interactions that are linked to the disturbance in a first place.

You can definitely run out of time.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

As a side note, I wonder if it'd felt less jarring if they'd just called it Socialist/Jingoist/Libertarian/Moralist instead of Communist/Fascist/Hyperliberalist/Moralist. It would've meant a lot more flexibility of interpretation.

I am feeling very strange arguing with that avatar, with this avatar, with our respective positions. Send help

Anyway, you're taking the politics much too seriously. The game is taking a piss at all ideologies and all ideologists, and at refusing to commit to any ideology. Ideology is the "what can change the nature of a man" of DE: you just gotta pick an answer and roll with it, and then in the end you go like "huh, none of it really matters in the end."

Given Harry’s profession before joining the RCM, I like that he’s only capable of expressing the most shallow political opinions.

Is the whole church quest part of the "Fortress Accident" red herring? If yes, I'd leave it for another playthrough, because I feel I'm wasting too much time and things will blow up after day 4.

Don’t worry about running out of time.

Edit: Really, IHaveHugeNick, on my most extensive run I made it to day 6 before triggering the endgame without running out of time. Things do not blow up after day 4.

I got side-tracked exploring too much on the waterside and game threw me straight into tribunal without even doing Evrart/Joyce interactions that are linked to the disturbance in a first place.

You can definitely run out of time.

Evrart and Joyce aren’t the trigger, Ruby is.

Edit: and once you enter the FELD building, the game explicitly tells you not to enter her lair if you have other shit to do.

 

[Optimist]

Anyway, you're taking the politics much too seriously. The game is taking a piss at all ideologies and all ideologists, and at refusing to commit to any ideology. Ideology is the "what can change the nature of a man" of DE: you just gotta pick an answer and roll with it, and then in the end you go like "huh, none of it really matters in the end."

This sounds like something a laughable centrist would say.

 

[Prime Junta]

This sounds like something a laughable centrist would say.

Fuck. Time for some Rigorous Self-Criticism.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I think the quality of the arguments is in sync with the characters that express them. The reason they feel unserious and elementary is because the people expressing them aren't themselves very learned. Just like IRL. There are intelligent ways to make an argument for Fascism, see Carl Schmitt, but I've never met anyone in the game who is of the caliber needed to give a good presentation of Schmitt's ideas.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Is the whole church quest part of the "Fortress Accident" red herring? If yes, I'd leave it for another playthrough, because I feel I'm wasting too much time and things will blow up after day 4.

Don’t worry about running out of time.

Edit: Really, IHaveHugeNick, on my most extensive run I made it to day 6 before triggering the endgame without running out of time. Things do not blow up after day 4.

I got side-tracked exploring too much on the waterside and game threw me straight into tribunal without even doing Evrart/Joyce interactions that are linked to the disturbance in a first place.

You can definitely run out of time.

Evrart and Joyce aren’t the trigger, Ruby is.

Yes she is dawg, that's the point. You can easily be forced through bottleneck in the plot and trigger the endgame.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Yes she is dawg, that's the point. You can easily be forced through bottleneck in the plot and trigger the endgame.

That’s not a time issue, it’s a sequence issue. Given that the game explicitly warns you not to go in after Ruby if there’s any other stuff you want to do, I’d argue it’s really a reading comprehension issue.

Edit: if anything, it’s a reason to stop worrying about the clock and do all the side quests you can before you confront her.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yes she is dawg, that's the point. You can easily be forced through bottleneck in the plot and trigger the endgame.

That’s not a time issue, it’s a sequence issue.

That's just a time issue rephrased. You can complete other sequences with more time.

Given that the game explicitly warns you not to go in after Ruby

After you are already 20 loading screens deep in pursuit, which no sensible person would turn around from.

But forget about all that.

The funniest thing is, I ended up in Tribunal unarmed with a 1Phys weakling character with no weapon skills and wearing a suit. And yet I had exact same result as Egosphere who spent his entire playthrough making a master-jedi gunslinger with full armor prepared entirely for that very encounter. Kim and me also both magically survived despite facing gang of military special forces, while people who were standing behind me and Kim all got massacred.

Tremendous reactivity, game really reacts to your choices.

 

[Prime Junta]

I think the quality of the arguments is in sync with the characters that express them. The reason they feel unserious and elementary is because the people expressing them aren't themselves very learned. Just like IRL. There are intelligent ways to make an argument for Fascism, see Carl Schmitt, but I've never met anyone in the game who is of the caliber needed to give a good presentation of Schmitt's ideas.

People who even hold political ideologies meme about them IRL all the time.

I know this may come as a bit of a shock to some of you here, but my views on communism are in reality somewhat nuanced. It'd just be a gigantic waste of time to try to enlighten you heathens about it here, so I go with

instead. More fun that way anyway.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Disco Elysium:

Spoiler

Kim literally tells you "once we detain a credible suspect, who knows what the Union and Wild Pines will do? We'll set in motion events we have no control over." Then you get a chance to ask him about all your unfinished side quests--he says maybe we should do them now before we confront the suspect.

Nick: I was forced through a bottleneck in the plot that triggered the endgame. No sensible person would do what the extremely sensible Lieutenant Kitsuragi tells you to do.

Me: if you rush the highly telegraphed main quest, you won't be able to do some side quests, like in every fucking game. This is not a timer.

 

[Prime Junta]

BTW comrades, you're wasting your time with IHaveHugeNick . Here's what he had to say about himself when I DMed him about some stuff:

Oh stop it you. I'm only larping a raging neckbeard, gotta fit in with the locals.

And here's what he had to say about Disco Inferno:

I mean, we both agree just about everything except the mechanics.

 

[Daedalos]

Contemplating doing yet a 3rd playthrough.. game y u do dis to me? I haven't the time. Here I was, trying to kick my gaming addiction, like a normal well adjusted person.

 

[Jinn]

Me: if you rush the highly telegraphed main quest, you won't be able to do some side quests, like in every fucking game. This is not a timer.

I just got to this part last night. It would take a lot to miss this very obvious "point of no return" warning if you are an avid player of CRPGs.

I of course turned around right when it happened and started sorting out my sidequests. Have been playing for about 3 hours since.

 

[Shadenuat]

I don't even have anything against the free market. It's just the bluntness and the stupidity of the propaganda, and of her "examples" was wow. Just fucking wow.

Spoiler

It turns out she's wrong though.

Or maybe isn't. You don't have to believe in supranatural, and as she explains herself - her first business failed, and so she tried again and again; because that felt right thing to do.

I can see why some people take her as a bit of Mary Sue.

 

[Prime Junta]

Contemplating doing yet a 3rd playthrough.. game y u do dis to me? I haven't the time. Here I was, trying to kick my gaming addiction, like a normal well adjusted person.

I'm rushing through my second, to get it done before TOW comes out.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

BTW comrades, you're wasting your time with IHaveHugeNick . Here's what he had to say about himself when I DMed him about some stuff:

Oh stop it you. I'm only larping a raging neckbeard, gotta fit in with the locals.

And here's what he had to say about Disco Inferno:

I mean, we both agree just about everything except the mechanics.

Oh my god please no. How can you expose my deepest darkest secrets. Secrets so secret, I explained them in detail in my final review, posted them in this very thread and praised everything about DE except the mechanics.

Jokes aside, posting our private conversations is ungentlemanly and in poor taste. You should know better.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I think the quality of the arguments is in sync with the characters that express them. The reason they feel unserious and elementary is because the people expressing them aren't themselves very learned. Just like IRL. There are intelligent ways to make an argument for Fascism, see Carl Schmitt, but I've never met anyone in the game who is of the caliber needed to give a good presentation of Schmitt's ideas.

People who even hold political ideologies meme about them IRL all the time.

I know this may come as a bit of a shock to some of you here, but my views on communism are in reality somewhat nuanced. It'd just be a gigantic waste of time to try to enlighten you heathens about it here, so I go with

instead. More fun that way anyway.

I never took you for a real fan of totalitarian regimes. I've seen enough real ones to make the difference.

But memeing about totalitarian ideologies in the wrong context, such as - among strangers on the internet, as opposed to among close friends who can tell you are joking - serves to normalize these ideologies. One of the unfortunate consequences of having "Internet for the masses" is the mixing of all contexts into one.

 

[Prime Junta]

Jokes aside, posting our private conversations is ungentlemanly and in poor taste. You should know better.

You should've said they're off the record.

 

[Van-d-all]

among strangers on the internet

Is there a group one could possibly care less about?

 

[Prime Junta]

among strangers on the internet

Is there a group one could possibly care less about?

Anyway, we're among friends here. Right?

 

[Shadenuat]

Secrets so secret, I explained them in detail in my final review, posted them in this very thread and praised everything about DE except the mechanics

Good revio btw.

I also hated goddamn orbs everywhere. The art is good enough to look at and there is zoom in and zoom out feature - art should have worked instead of orbs.

 

[AwesomeButton]

among strangers on the internet

Is there a group one could possibly care less about?

HALFLIGHT: "haha"
EMPATHY: ^ Being exposed to the erosion of the value of human life and dignity in everyday internet communication.

 

[AwesomeButton]

among strangers on the internet

Is there a group one could possibly care less about?

Anyway, we're among friends here. Right?

Well, you are the one who has to explain he is joking, so...

 

[AwesomeButton]

Just came accross this, seems fitting, message and style: