DOOM Eternal - the sequel to the 2016 reboot - now with The Ancient Gods DLC

[OctavianRomulus]

Interestingly enough, this expansion is a standalone game.

Interesting, just like Old Blood, which was quite long and was originally split in two parts.

 

[DalekFlay]

Bethesda also did that with Dishonored: Death of the Outsider. Both felt like real expansion packs, not bullshit little DLCs. Good stuff to see whether you like the games or not.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Never seen a recent Bethesda game getting a price cut so fast. 5 months after release and DOOM Eternal can already been bought for less than 30 EUR. Usually it took more than a year to get such a discount.

Too bad I'm not interested in this nonsense.

 

[Lyric Suite]

It looks good but it needs less linear level design.

That ship has sailed a long time ago. This game's main strength is butt rape difficulty in that Quake arena but with monsters kinda of way (the fact the game doesn't have multiplayer worth shit is pretty absurd given you could easily retrofit every map for death-match). Level design is dead at this point, since Eternal had even less of it than 2016 did.

BTW, i saw two marauders in that trailer. At least they are not backing out of their commitment to make the game as hard as they possibly can.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Old school look modes

Complete and utter retardation. Let's build this great visuals but we'll give you an option to fuck everything up so you can feel all teh retro and shit like the dumbfuck zoomer you are.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

I'll admit, I got a little nervous playing the 2016 Doom.

It'd be all quiet, and I knew a thousand demons would come screaming out at me if I touched one their big pustule things.

 

[d1r]

Old school look modes

Complete and utter retardation. Let's build this great visuals but we'll give you an option to fuck everything up so you can feel all teh retro and shit like the dumbfuck zoomer you are.

Classic render is fucking great though.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

Bethesda also did that with Dishonored: Death of the Outsider. Both felt like real expansion packs, not bullshit little DLCs. Good stuff to see whether you like the games or not.

You can say whatever you want about Bethesda but they at least learned their lesson after Horse Armor. They have always made pretty substantial DLC.

Old Blood was better than the main game imo. Quite cheap too.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[JDR13]

Old Blood was better than the main game imo. Quite cheap too.

I'm not sure Old Blood really qualifies as DLC though. To me, it was always a full sequel or in this case a prequel. I agree it was better than TNO, or at least from what I can remember.

 

[DalekFlay]

I'm not sure Old Blood really qualifies as DLC though. To me, it was always a full sequel or in this case a prequel. I agree it was better than TNO, or at least from what I can remember.

It's a standalone expansion IMO, same with Dishonored: DotO. Roughly comparable to something like Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil back in the day.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

Old Blood was better than the main game imo. Quite cheap too.

I'm not sure Old Blood really qualifies as DLC though. To me, it was always a full sequel or in this case a prequel. I agree it was better than TNO, or at least from what I can remember.

It's going to be the same for this one, they call it a sequel, although I am not sure if the devs are referring to the two episodes combined or just this one. If the two combined are half as long as Eternal I will be satisfied.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/doom-eternal/ancient-gods-dlc-interview

Marty Stratton: Sure. So it’s a sequel to Doom Eternal – it takes place relatively shortly after, and really focuses on expanding the lore. Hugo can talk more about the details of the design of it, but in general we’ve kept the Slayer intact, given him basically everything, maxed him out, as if you finished the campaign with everything maxed out. Runes to mods.

Not sure I like this, finding weapons and upgrades is one of my greatest joys in FPS games.

Hugo Martin: The new locations allow us to do some really interesting things with the level design itself. Obviously the combat is the star of the show, but outside of combat, just solving the puzzle of the levels offers that same engagement.

I guess we'll see. I didn't really get that in the base game and now that you get all the shit from the get go I am not sure what they will fill the levels with. I hope it won't be worthless collectibles.

We’re very proud of the scope of the DLC. Most people would associate DLC with being of smaller scope – it’s kind of like the made for TV version of the movie, and the movie was the main game. For us, this is very much like a two-part film – this is every bit as grand as the main game was.

So at least as long as Old Blood.

It’s important as we want the DLC to reach as many people as possible. In fact, you don’t even need to own Doom Eternal to buy the DLC and play it.

I like this approach.

But that aside, it really is built for that large audience that finished Doom Eternal and is looking for a greater challenge – not new adventures necessarily, but new combat adventures for sure, and new ways to use those skills that they’ve learned.

So basically an old school map pack with higher difficulty.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Lmao fuck the lore, especially considering how much worse the writing was on Eternal compared to Doom 2016, and the latter was already beyond shit to begin with.

Making the game so difficult as to require the player to start fully upgraded right off the bat seems like a bad idea as level progression would be lost, UNLESS they are going to make the game EVEN harder as the expansion moves along, which... would be interesting to be honest i'm still baffled that a modern gayming company has this kind of commitment to difficulty, even if their implementation is annoying.

I also feel this means they'll add even more retarded collectibles and other shit to discover as they'd have to have something for the player to do during down times, and if you are not looking out for weapons then i guess it's going to be dolls and other stupid shit like that.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

Lmao fuck the lore, especially considering how much worse the writing was on Eternal compared to Doom 2016, and the latter was already beyond shit to begin with.

Making the game so difficult as to require the player to start fully upgraded right off the bat seems like a bad idea as level progression would be lost, UNLESS they are going to make the game EVEN harder as the expansion moves along, which... would be interesting to be honest i'm still baffled that a modern gayming company has this kind of commitment to difficulty, even if their implementation is annoying.

I also feel this means they'll add even more retarded collectibles and other shit to discover as they'd have to have something for the player to do during down times, and if you are not looking out for weapons then i guess it's going to be dolls and other stupid shit like that.

They did collectibles right in 2016. They gave you weapon points when you picked them so they were useful. I don't think there was a single useless secret in Doom 2016, unlike Eternal. If what I pick doesn't help me survive and make the game more fun then I just don't care about it.

 

[DalekFlay]

They did collectibles right in 2016. They gave you weapon points when you picked them so they were useful. I don't think there was a single useless secret in Doom 2016, unlike Eternal.

I agree with your point overall but 2016 also had the useless doll things, iirc.

 

[Ol' Willy]

It looks good but it needs less linear level design.

NuDooms level design won't even hold a candle to a level design of some modern Doom megawads.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

They did collectibles right in 2016. They gave you weapon points when you picked them so they were useful. I don't think there was a single useless secret in Doom 2016, unlike Eternal.

I agree with your point overall but 2016 also had the useless doll things, iirc.

They were not useless because they gave weapon points.

It looks good but it needs less linear level design.

NuDooms level design won't even hold a candle to a level design of some modern Doom megawads.

True, and it will probably never be. As WAD makers, we can make whatever we want because the audience plays Doom every day but as a developer, you have to make sure that returning Doom fans that have not played a Doom game in years, casual fans, hardcore fans, mappers will have a good time in this game. A returning casual Doom fan played one of my maps and got hopelessly lost whereas none of the Doom community players got lost.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Lmao fuck the lore, especially considering how much worse the writing was on Eternal compared to Doom 2016, and the latter was already beyond shit to begin with.

Making the game so difficult as to require the player to start fully upgraded right off the bat seems like a bad idea as level progression would be lost, UNLESS they are going to make the game EVEN harder as the expansion moves along, which... would be interesting to be honest i'm still baffled that a modern gayming company has this kind of commitment to difficulty, even if their implementation is annoying.

I also feel this means they'll add even more retarded collectibles and other shit to discover as they'd have to have something for the player to do during down times, and if you are not looking out for weapons then i guess it's going to be dolls and other stupid shit like that.

They did collectibles right in 2016. They gave you weapon points when you picked them so they were useful. I don't think there was a single useless secret in Doom 2016, unlike Eternal. If what I pick doesn't help me survive and make the game more fun then I just don't care about it.

Level design was also slightly more traditional in 2016, at least it felt there was more exploration, and thus a bit longer down times.

 

[Ol' Willy]

True, and it will probably never be. As WAD makers, we can make whatever we want because the audience plays Doom every day but as a developer, you have to make sure that returning Doom fans that have not played a Doom game in years, casual fans, hardcore fans, mappers will have a good time in this game. A returning casual Doom fan played one of my maps and got hopelessly lost whereas none of the Doom community players got lost.

I've got a bit of geographical cretinism myself, so I get "where the fuck should I go" feeling quite often, but knowing the language of modern widestream releases this problem can be solved with the Big Dumb Arrows.

Not to say that I have no problems playing those elaborated maps even having the problems I mentioned above. A little bit of persistence, mapping and systematic exploration does wonders.

 

[Baron Dupek]

This is this big innovation?

huh

 

[DalekFlay]

Their whole marketing vibe is "fuck you pussies, this is DOOM!" People complained about the marauder, so them saying "have two of them you wimps!" is very much in line with their brand.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Ivan]

i've not played the new nu-doom but that looks fucking slick. reminds me of the "skillful" devil may cry videos, clearly played by someone who knows and loves the game

 

[Lyric Suite]

Their whole marketing vibe is "fuck you pussies, this is DOOM!" People complained about the marauder, so them saying "have two of them you wimps!" is very much in line with their brand.

And that's pretty much the only thing the game as going for it. If it wasn't for the fuck you difficulty it would be nugaymer garbage.

 

[LESS T_T]

The retro FPS devs' darling Andrew Hulshult comes in lieu of Mick Gordon. He also did Quake Champions btw.