Dragon Age: Inquisition Pre-Release Thread

[Excidium]

Why the fuck would it break your immersion if some characters are blacks?

No butt jiggle physics

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

Holy shit that is the most angst-ridden deviantart-tier story I've ever had the misfortune to read. How do you know all that? Why do you know all that? Why would BioWare think a character like that appeals to anybody at all? He's neither badass, likable, attractive, interesting nor relatable. You can't even hate him; he's just pathetic.

its from cole`s thread on bsn. it was reposted on 4chans /vg. you wouldnt suspect fellow codexer of visiting bsn would you ?

so far all romance options are beyond shit. there better be brothels in this fucking game. i havent skipped one in Bioware games since fucking Copper Coronet

 

[dryan]

If I ever wrote a homosexual character then I wouldn't make him an overly obvious one. Maybe even a repressed one. This one is just dragged straight from the pride parade.

Why the fuck does it even matter?
This kind of Fantasy is broadly based on the Middle Ages, right?
So wymyn fucking cook, Negroes nigg (far away from the Homeland), and gays fucking don't exist, at least not officialy!
My point: If for some reason you need to include strong wymyn and cewl gayzzz at least do it in a be fucking lieveable way!

It matters because it matters to them and you seemingly have interest as you post in this thread.

What I wrote was basically what you said. A non-obvious/repressed homosexual character is more along the one that is in a middle age setting. That said, this is a fantasy setting and there is no obvious way to do anything, as long as they thought it through.

Your "Negroes" comment is the strangest as far as a fantasy setting go. If anything a good fantasy setting don't have stereotypes completetly mirroring our world

First of all: I didn't want to criticize your post. I wanted to criticize the fact that Bioware and many of their fans (as the public in general) talk about these issues all the time and always as if it automatically was a good thing.
I didn't make that clear enough because I was abviously in rage mode.
So I agree that your original post isn't that far away from what I said.

The Negroe comment wasn't meant as anything political or whatever. It comes from annoyance about every European Middle Ages based Fantasy game desperatly trying to give black folks a major role in their games, "'cause inclusion, you know". - Whilst in Europe during the Middle Ages there wasn't that much Negroe around.
But I don't really care about it, it's not as much an immersion breaker as strong lesbians leading the Churches and Guilds all over the place.

Yeah, good think this isn't Europe, it's fucking magical land of generic fantasy. Bioware quality of writing aside, you can have white, black, yellow or purple people in your game and it still would make sense, because it's not based on our world history and continents. Why the fuck would it break your immersion if some characters are blacks?

It most certainly is based on our world. Orlais is France, Antiva is Spain, Tevinter is Rome, Ferelden is Britain, the Qunari as Muslims, etc...

 

[Tom Selleck]

the Deep Roads are the McDonald's parking lot at an innercity bus depot, covered in used condoms and that one guy who picks up cigarette butts to resmoke...

 

[Jools]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

[snip snip snip cole cole cole snip snip snip]

A bit tl;dr, but from the glimpses I've read, it appears blatant that Cole ain't gonna be Hawksome, not in the slightest. Shame.

 

[Angthoron]

• Cole's father had murdered Cole's mother because of being a mage, carrying the "gene", or protecting Cole and he intended on killing Cole as well. While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death. Eventually, either his father found Cole, or Cole left the hiding spot to confront his father. Using his
  mother's dagger, he killed his father and made sure his father saw it was Cole that killed him and that the father would never hurt anyone again. This traumatic event happened to Cole around the age of 12 and is revealed in the book while Cole is in the Fade.

Wow, the whole description is retarded as fuck, but this, man, wow. How the fuck do you smother someone ACCIDENTALLY while COVERING THEIR MOUTH? Was she a mouthbreather? Did she have a major nasal blockage? How does this shit work?

 

[Jools]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

• While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death.

Ok, really? What's with the unnecessary, absurd drama, Gayder? Mommy didn't show you enough love as a kid? Daddy touched you places?

Oh, FFS.

 

[Jools]

Crossbrofisting TEH ANG for synchro posting the same stuff. Bros 2 - Gayder 0.

 

[Angthoron]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

• While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death.

Ok, really? What's with the unnecessary, absurd drama, Gayder? Mommy didn't show you enough love as a kid? Daddy touched you places?

Oh, FFS.

BioWare's character backgrounds remind me of this thing.

 

[Scroo]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

• While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death.

Ok, really? What's with the unnecessary, absurd drama, Gayder? Mommy didn't show you enough love as a kid? Daddy touched you places?

Oh, FFS.

Hahaha, this really is beyond retarded. Maybe she had a horrible birth defect and was born without a nose?

 

[Angthoron]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

• While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death.

Ok, really? What's with the unnecessary, absurd drama, Gayder? Mommy didn't show you enough love as a kid? Daddy touched you places?

Oh, FFS.

Hahaha, this really is beyond retarded. Maybe she had a horrible birth defect and was born without a nose?

What, like Voldemort?

 

[Malpercio]

I decided I will romance fabulous mustache, I'm going to pretend he's Gaider and when it comes to it I'll tell him:

"EA has poisoned your heart. Black Isle touched you once, long ago. Do you remember nothing of it? Is there nothing in your heart that remembers love? Is there nothing within you that remembers our love? What we once shared before this obsession doomed you?”

If I ever wrote a homosexual character then I wouldn't make him an overly obvious one. Maybe even a repressed one. This one is just dragged straight from the pride parade.

Why the fuck does it even matter?
This kind of Fantasy is broadly based on the Middle Ages, right?
So wymyn fucking cook, Negroes nigg (far away from the Homeland), and gays fucking don't exist, at least not officialy!
My point: If for some reason you need to include strong wymyn and cewl gayzzz at least do it in a be fucking lieveable way!

It matters because it matters to them and you seemingly have interest as you post in this thread.

What I wrote was basically what you said. A non-obvious/repressed homosexual character is more along the one that is in a middle age setting. That said, this is a fantasy setting and there is no obvious way to do anything, as long as they thought it through.

Your "Negroes" comment is the strangest as far as a fantasy setting go. If anything a good fantasy setting don't have stereotypes completetly mirroring our world

First of all: I didn't want to criticize your post. I wanted to criticize the fact that Bioware and many of their fans (as the public in general) talk about these issues all the time and always as if it automatically was a good thing.
I didn't make that clear enough because I was abviously in rage mode.
So I agree that your original post isn't that far away from what I said.

The Negroe comment wasn't meant as anything political or whatever. It comes from annoyance about every European Middle Ages based Fantasy game desperatly trying to give black folks a major role in their games, "'cause inclusion, you know". - Whilst in Europe during the Middle Ages there wasn't that much Negroe around.
But I don't really care about it, it's not as much an immersion breaker as strong lesbians leading the Churches and Guilds all over the place.

Yeah, good think this isn't Europe, it's fucking magical land of generic fantasy. Bioware quality of writing aside, you can have white, black, yellow or purple people in your game and it still would make sense, because it's not based on our world history and continents. Why the fuck would it break your immersion if some characters are blacks?

It most certainly is based on our world. Orlais is France, Antiva is Spain, Tevinter is Rome, Ferelden is Britain, the Qunari as Muslims, etc...

Yeah ok, but it's not our world, it's based. Last time I checked there were no dragons or elves in middle ages.

 

[Azrael the cat]

Here's what puzzles me about character Cole. He has a mind of 10 year old, yet he goes around cutting peoples throats? How did he become such a psychopath? That's horrific, yet Gaider believes (for good reason) its unacceptable to romance him. The hypocrisy is crazy.

• While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death.

Ok, really? What's with the unnecessary, absurd drama, Gayder? Mommy didn't show you enough love as a kid? Daddy touched you places?

Oh, FFS.

Hahaha, this really is beyond retarded. Maybe she had a horrible birth defect and was born without a nose?

Not just that - to kill her he'd have to have kept holding her mouth and nose for another 20-30 seconds after she passed out. An unconscious person is heavy as all-fuck and really difficult to hold upright - without muscle tension, the human body flops, so the parts of the body that are touching the ground aren't taking any weight.

The situation means she couldn't have already been lying down (which is how you'd usually smother someone). At best, she'd have been crouching.

So he's gone from not taking any of her weight to suddenly having to take ALL of it, doesn't notice, and then continues to smother her for another half-minute while carrying her.

Accidentally.

 

[mastroego]

he accidently smothered her to death.

There was a similar scene in an old movie (can't remember which one).
Gaider must have seen it.

 

[dryan]

he accidently smothered her to death.

There was a similar scene in an old movie (can't remember which one).
Gaider must have seen it.

In the Pianist, there's a Jewish woman who smothers her crying baby while they're hiding from the Germans.

 

[Angthoron]

he accidently smothered her to death.

There was a similar scene in an old movie (can't remember which one).
Gaider must have seen it.

Well, it just doesn't work. Azrael the cat points it out perfectly - there's really no way to not notice. It's possible to accidentally smother a person, sure, but not like that.

 

[Jools]

What really gripes with me isn't the cheap literary expedient per se, but the unnecessarity (I think I just made that word up) of it, as perfectly expressed in the comic strip shared by Angthoron.

 

[Jools]

From http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/post-random-images.83834/page-258 . Could he be that they are doing rehearsals for the smothering scene?

 

[Angthoron]

What really gripes with me isn't the cheap literary expedient per se, but the unnecessarity (I think I just made that word up) of it, as perfectly expressed in the comic strip shared by Angthoron.

Bio just knows their audience. Teens are all about angst and loss of parents and all that stuff in MMOs as far as I've seen, for example.

 

[Telengard]

In the Pianist, there's a Jewish woman who smothers her crying baby while they're hiding from the Germans.

Or Quigley Down Under, or Straw Dogs, or another film I'm not remembering.

 

[FuriousGamer87]

http://www.dragonage.com/#!/en_US/news/character-profile-dorian?utm_campaign=da-social-na-ic-fb-social-na-ic-fb-dorianprofile-img-site-ramp&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&sourceid=da-social-na-ic-fb-social-na-ic-fb-dorianprofile-img-site-ramp&cid=22998&ts=1404038262087

Same samples from that marvelous link

Dorian is gay—he is, in fact, the first fully gay character I've had the opportunity to write. It added an interesting dimension to his back story, considering he comes from a place where "perfection" is the face that every mage puts on and anything that smacks of deviancy is shameful and meant to be hidden. Dorian's refusal to play along with that façade is seen as stubborn and pointless by his family, which has contributed to his status as a pariah.​

And another

I suppose this aspect of Dorian will make him controversial in some corners, but I was glad to include it. It made writing Dorian a very personal experience for me, and I'm hopeful that will make him seem like a fully realized character to fans in the end.
​

Marvelous. So, instead of writing good characters, everyone in Bioware is writing self-inserts.

 

[curry]

I like how they are trying to improve gender equality by making all of their characters sex objects regardless of whether they're men or women.

 

[set]

Sexuality isn't a defining trait, honestly. People obsess so much over it. The only good gay/bi characters are the ones that seldom/subtly show it, or show it in a 'mature' way. Dorian is flamboyantly fucking gay, it's an honest joke. It's like trying to design a character around their favorite color and expecting something more than a caricature to come out instead. I'm sure after playing DA3 we'll only be able to describe Dorian by his costume, his profession, his role, and the fact he's gay. Fuck having a personality.

 

[Raghar]

So wymyn fucking cook, Negroes nigg (far away from the Homeland), and gays fucking don't exist, at least not officialy!

Fantasy isn't based on middle ages. If it was everyone wouldn't be able to read adn write, there wouldn't be rigorous state structure with rigidly stated and enforced laws forcing government officials to do theirs jobs according to law, and there wouldn't be more freedom than in modern EU societies. (For example, right to move and resettle from one area to another would be highly restricted.)

Homosexuality and black were quite common during Roman empire. Drugs and bribery were also common. (Roman wine was quite strongly mixed with narcotics.) Kinda wonder why there is no Rome the RPG inspired by HBO.
Women in armies were quite common in non industrialized societies. Non industrialized societies didn't have cheap quality plate armors and high quality metals readily available. Fantasy has both.

 

[Jools]

http://www.dragonage.com/#!/en_US/news/character-profile-dorian?utm_campaign=da-social-na-ic-fb-social-na-ic-fb-dorianprofile-img-site-ramp&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&sourceid=da-social-na-ic-fb-social-na-ic-fb-dorianprofile-img-site-ramp&cid=22998&ts=1404038262087

Same samples from that marvelous link

Dorian is gay—he is, in fact, the first fully gay character I've had the opportunity to write. It added an interesting dimension to his back story, considering he comes from a place where "perfection" is the face that every mage puts on and anything that smacks of deviancy is shameful and meant to be hidden. Dorian's refusal to play along with that façade is seen as stubborn and pointless by his family, which has contributed to his status as a pariah.​

And another

I suppose this aspect of Dorian will make him controversial in some corners, but I was glad to include it. It made writing Dorian a very personal experience for me, and I'm hopeful that will make him seem like a fully realized character to fans in the end.
​

Marvelous. So, instead of writing good characters, everyone in Bioware is writing self-inserts.

Wait, if you define a character on the sole, or almost exclusive basis, of its sexuality, isn't that reverse-discrimination? What happened to tolerance, as in not caring about one's sexual orientation? XD