Dragon Age: Inquisition Pre-Release Thread

[RK47]

 

[abnaxus]

Man, hoopy was awesome. Lesi's best alt for sure.

 

[Grimlorn]

That Witcher 2 scene was a lot better than the Dragon Age/Mass Effect stuff we're so use to. I don't think it has anything to do with Americans hating sex or whatever. I think it has more to do with how bad it all looks.

People are just use to Bioware adding these sex scenes and it being so bad that it's become repugnant in all forms to add this to games for fear of it resembling what Bioware does. But even though that W2 scene looks better than Bioware's games, it still doesn't look that good to me. I just think it's tough taking virtual characters seriously. Empathizing with them, caring about them. Maybe the technology just isn't there yet to make it look believable or make it resemble the real thing. So the scene ends up looking laughable.

I don't hate sex scenes in movies, but I usually am bored during them. I just don't care about watching them. Unless the girl is hot and nude in some way. But other than that, they don't interest me.

When you can effectively roleplay a character in a game, it becomes easier to care about the world and characters in the game. In Bioware's games I never feel like I'm playing the main character. It's more like I'm watching a crappy movie, and because of that I just don't care. The writing and dialogue is so bad. How can these writers live with themselves when they are writing such bad crap tailored towards 12 year olds. It's laughable that you can have three 2 minute talks with a person, then they want to have sex with you, then after they are telling you they love you. It's juvenile joke that no one can or should take seriously.

Anyway, that's my serious take on it.

On a side note, at a certain point some of these writers and publishers need to be criticized for writing crap that is clearly for 10-12 year olds, putting sex scenes in them, rating them mature not for anyone under 17, when they know they are targeting that audience specifically.

 

[Zeriel]

Yeah, that's a good point. I find sexual scenes fairly awkward in movies/TV too. The best thing you can say for the Triss/Geralt scene is you get a sense of real emotions between the characters, which is definitely a huge departure from what Bioware does with sex scenes.

 

[Necroscope]

hmmm...I'm actually of the opinion that those scenes and romances in general appeal more to "women" and homo-trans-bi-and-tri-sexual BioWare fans.

I'm a member on BSN and have even read a few threads on occasion...there is simply no way those people are hetero/white when all they do is harp about how there needs to be a "cullen romance or frankly [insert whatever] romance" in DA3 and other similarly gushing topics of such low caliber.

DA:O sex scenes were directed for female tastes (note: does not mean that all or even most women like them, just a large number). Witcher 2's are male gazey as all hell.

So...
"Female tastes" = staring longinly into each other eyes (wearing underwear, of course) while a chorus of whailing women in the background chant in a fake language and everything is deadly serious/cheesy as fuck.
"Male tastes" = we take off our clothes and kiss in a playful manner.

Sorry, but I'm gonna stick with what sounds less like an eternal virgin's fantasy of what his/her wedding night is going to be like.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

"Female tastes" = staring longinly into each other eyes (wearing underwear, of course) while a chorus of whailing women in the background chant in a fake language and everything is deadly serious/cheesy as fuck.

It could have been worse-imagine the chorus beeing in English

Shit, at least I understand english.

edit: Christ almighty, LadyHawke sure is stacked. (or maybe that's a mod?)

 

[Roguey]

In conclusion, it's totes pornography for heterosexual men and your fanboyism is disgusting.

So if you are going to make an explicit sex scene in a game, what is appropriate in your mind?

"If you're going to make an explicit sex scene in a game," don't.

Care to tell us what doesn't qualify as "male gazey"? Furthermore I find your supposition that women can't find something directed towards men erotic to be kind of insulting and closed-minded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaze#The_.22male_gaze.22_in_feminist_theory

Random observations from the internet: Most women who talk about games don't have a problem with Bethesda, Bioware, or Obsidian. A not-insignificant number do with CD Projekt. They should perhaps watch Gaider's GDC talk and take

I’m not talking about needing to go out and say, ‘Oh, how do we attract women?’ How about we just decide how not to repel women? I think that’s all they’re asking for, really! That’s how you invite them, because we see they’re already interested in playing, so welcome them to the table.

to heart.

And nice of you to dismiss an opinion as "disgusting fanboyism" while providing no arguments except "nope, it's not, you're wrong."

My opinions feel self-evident to me. But as usual it looks like I have to paste the opinion of a whitehetcis man to gain "legitimacy":
http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/index.php/topic,2064.msg67660.html#msg67660

Watching Geralt fucking Triss in that pool from behind was weird. It's not hot, it's just fucking stupid and unnecessary.

http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/index.php/topic,2064.150.html

Except for RPGs aren't a proper medium to explore sex (in all its awkwardly animated glory) between people who feel something for each other. That's what porn is for.

It felt out of place, done for no reason but to have a sex scene. So Geralt and what's her face go to the elven place in the middle of a forest filled with blood thirsty elves, monsters, and bandits. They even kill 3-4 people there who wanted to loot it. Is it really the best place to fuck? Or did all that killing make them really horny?

"Oh fuck, did you see what I did to that guy? Look at the fucker bleeding. I ran him over with my sword and as you know what I was thinking while he was dying and shitting himself on my sword? How it should have been you on my other sword, wink-wink. Wanna fuck?"

"Oh Geralt! I thought you'd never ask ..."

 

[Andyman Messiah]

And nice of you to dismiss an opinion as "disgusting fanboyism" while providing no arguments except "nope, it's not, you're wrong."

My opinions feel self-evident to me. But as usual it looks like I have to paste the opinion of a whitehetcis man to gain "legitimacy"

Now you're trolling with power, Rouge the Bat.

 

[Zeriel]

 

[Necroscope]

Random observations from the internet: Most women who talk about games don't have a problem with Bethesda, Bioware, or Obsidian. A not-insignificant number do with CD Projekt.

I'm yet to see a well argumented opinion coming from a woman expressing problems towards CDPR. Those few that I that i ran across to seemed like they came from whiny Twilight fangirls.

They should perhaps watch Gaider's GDC talk and take (...) to heart.

I'm sure that a fat bald gay who works for a company that is known for illustrating women in a vulgar and oversexualised fashion is a huge authority in the context of women needs.

Except for RPGs aren't a proper medium to explore sex (in all its awkwardly animated glory) between people who feel something for each other. That's what porn is for.

 

[Zeriel]

Porn is all about exploring emotional relationships, didn't you know?

 

[Roguey]

I'm yet to see a well argumented opinion coming from a woman expressing problems towards CDPR. Those few that I that i ran across to seemed like they came from whiny Twilight fangirls.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eralt-grows-a-beard.80281/page-7#post-2491895

I'm sure that a fat bald gay who works for a company that is known for illustrating women in a vulgar and oversexualised fashion is a huge authority in the context of women needs.

He mentioned and gave examples of some of Bioware's problems in his talk. And currently, it's not like every woman is vulgar and oversexualised. Aveline's armor design>Saskia's.

 

[Zeriel]

Too bad Saskia's fingernails have more characterization than Aveline's entire body. Treating game design as Important Issue Scoring Time is precisely what's wrong with Bioware, anyway. They're more interested in that than making actual games.

 

[abnaxus]

That Sean Connery avatar is so appropriate.

 

[Roguey]

Too bad Saskia's fingernails have more characterization than Aveline's entire body.

Saskia is asleep/mindcontrolled for almost the entire portion of the game. What characterization?

 

[Zeriel]

Too bad Saskia's fingernails have more characterization than Aveline's entire body.

Saskia is asleep/mindcontrolled for almost the entire portion of the game. What characterization?

 

[Necroscope]

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eralt-grows-a-beard.80281/page-7#post-2491895

As I said, I'm yet to see.

(...) it's not like every woman is vulgar and oversexualised. Aveline's armor design>Saskia's.

The exception proves the rule:

 

[Zeriel]

The sad thing is that Bioware is trying so hard to be sexy, but never actually manages. It's like awkward fanfic art on a professional budget.

 

[CrustyBot]

I suppose you can defend the Witcher 2 scenes on the basis of fitting in with the mood and atmosphere of the game/setting and because it sometimes depicts characterization. But there's still a very clear element of male-oriented fanservice in them. Acknowledging it and insisting that despite that flaw, it is still a net positive I suppose is possible. But ignoring or denying that it exists in the first place comes across as a little delusional.

Honestly, a bit surprised at how Roguey is so easily able to lead you all on a string.

Necroscope: I remember a picture of Isabela that showed warts on her inner thigh. BioWare sure have got their priorities straightened out.

 

[Necroscope]

Honestly, a bit surprised at how Roguey is so easily able to lead you all on a string.

This thread is pretty much as any other shit game thread; Rogue's agenda makes no big difference. And I doubt anyone was on a string.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

It can be to made appeal to a predominantly male audience without having it portrayed unfairly, exclusionary, objectivating, degrading etc. Some people cannot wrap their heads around that concept though. (fehmunists)

 

[Carrion]

Having a male target audience is a flaw now? What the hell?

Dragon Age fucking sucks precisely because it's made for women, children and the LGBT crowd.

I hate the 21st century.

 

[Zeriel]

LGBT people want a game about your mom's body parts being used to stitch together a zombie?

I don't think we can pin a masterpiece of the surreal(ly bad) like Dragon Age 2 on minority groups.

 

[JarlFrank]

Fuck, I SO want an RPG with 80's swords and sorcery aesthetics now.

What's funny about all that "HURR GAEM 4 WOMEN" shit is that the RPG-playing girls I know would probably prefer a conanesque sword and sorcery RPG to a tranny sex simulator with boring filler combat like DA2.

 

[Zeriel]

Yeah, all the girls I've met who game are hilariously into the gung-ho super-bro games and hate anything with the slightest edge of sissiness.